Pakistan test fires 600 km range RAAD-2 ALCM
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Gud development in Pakistan prospective, but from Indian view it won't have any new threat perception, a terrain Hugging air launched cm will be gud for stand off attack but in a network centric air defence opponent its relevance stays same as what already they had like cm802 derivative , for India it will be best excuse to develop tree top search radar systems and passive radar system which will help to detect these kind of low flying Target way before than current detection and neutralizing cycle time
No matter how powerful the radar is, no radar sees beyond the horizon ( except the ionosphere ray bouncing radars at expense of accuracy).
A cruise missile flying at 100 meter above ground, horizon is only 36km.
Or that's as far from where the cruise missile flying at 100 km will be seen by radar, not before.
AWACS in lookdown mode can detect it from longer range . But Pakistan says the missile has stealth characteristics.
As of now Pakistan has longer range ALCM than india will have in future.
Even then India will only have 42 converted SU-30MKI for carrying Brahmos ALCM as the missile is just too heavy for any fighter jet to carry on one hardpoint.
But entire Pakistani mirage and Thunder fleet can carry Raad
Even then India will only have 42 converted SU-30MKI for carrying Brahmos ALCM as the missile is just too heavy for any fighter jet to carry on one hardpoint.
But entire Pakistani mirage and Thunder fleet can carry Raad
I was expecting this comment buddy one thing u said is OK for line of sight targeting equments but when comes to rf it propagate long distance , so as u said after horizons the rf get scattered and never bounce back then rf is effectively equllent to light wave's also u can't see ur favorite TV shows and radio FM , even considerable elevation in rf wave reflection angles happen only after distance more than 1000km that's why countries use OTH radar, for decton of RAAd not a issue for Indian air defence network considering current radar network the only thing it lag behind detection of these type of cm more than 200+ km before, also RAAD is sub sonic cm once it detected it will be a target drone for Indian Sam's, neither raad have stealth characterstics or design outwards bund air intake is a proof for that only low observation character is it's size and terrain hugging fly path and for Bhramos alcm its not too heavy it self ,it particularly made for mki, they built according to that factors, for other platform from m2k to LCA they have their own Russian or French counterpart's like Strom shadow kh51 etc, and abt range I have to say just lol,
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Raad is subsonic while Brahmos is supersonic. India's counterpart to Raad/Raad2 is the Nirbhay with a range of 1000km vs 600km of the Raad2.
Nirbhay would also be integrated across all aerial platforms in IAF's inventory. Also, Brahmos is developing a smalled/lighter version dubbed the Brahmos-NG capable of being launched from all IAF's fighter jets
Haha, I got banned from PDF for saying exactly that. The "eggsperts" there said that's not true.
Anyway, yes, while a ground based radar has a small radar horizon, the missile in SRSAM batteries have even smaller range, ie, well below 40Km. So terrain hugging cruise missiles are the speciality of SAMs like QRSAM, SPYDER, NASAMS etc.
Our long range ALCM inventory is increasing though.
Apart from Brahmos-A on MKI, we will have SCALP on Rafales in the coming few months. This is not counting a number of missiles that are in development currently.
And you seem to have forgotten that the IAF operates the Kh-59.
They will wet their pants when the actual range of Brahmos is made public and the quoted 290km was a bluff due to MTCR. Now we are in it we should do it.
Moreover they will further wet their pants when Brahmos speed is increased to mach 5 and range upgraded to 1000km.
Final nail in the coffin will be the AWACS killer /Brahmos NG.
Do u have any info about Brahmos hypersonic version MK2???
That actually won't make a difference to Pakistan considering they do not have depth for long range anyway. China has more to worry about range.
I don't know about Pakistani fanboys, but the PA has always known that the Brahmos has more range.
Nothing much except that the goal is mach 10-12, or even higher, for the second hypersonic version with a scramjet. Right now India is working on the materials required for the airframe. Once it's ready, the detailed design will happen followed by testing. This is as much as a decade away though.
The upcoming hypersonic Brahmos is based on ramjet and will do mach 4.8 in 4 years.
as per the video, the test was a dud. the missile fell on the ground and raised a dust cloud. the explosion takes place several feet above the impact point, indicating that the warhead broke away from the missile before exploding. Also whats with the multiple cuts in the video?
I'm surprised at why are you surprised. That's the way ALCM's normally behave in Paxtan.Why , you ask? It's like this - Back in the day immediately before or after Pokhran -2 , if you recall as India conducted the Agni -1 missile test launch they launched Ghaznavi ( forgot the block no here) which instead of landing at the designated spot in the Arabian Sea, broke into 2-3 parts and fell in Paxtan itself.
Further, As part of their deterrence in true ghazi style, they've convinced themselves that the only way to deter Cold Start is by launching TNW thru Nasrs on IA troops in Paxtan. That way they can posture as ghazis , deter Cold Start & also - in their opinion not cross Indian deterrence red lines.
There's universal logic & there's Ghazi Paxtani logic. That's just the way it is.
Its a question of need, India can cover entire punjab with a 400 KM range ALCM. Pakistan? Not much.
India also fields Kh-59 which can operate from all Su-30s/Mig 29s.
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While it is launched it will be detected and rest we can trace your Paad missile. how that's a secret.
Supersonic means much higher fuel consumption, requiring high altitude flying for the most part of the journey. At low altitude at supersonic speed the air is like custard and presents tremendous drag.
Subsonic means low drag flight at low altitude, maintaining stealth .
No wonder even the world's biggest and most modern militaries still use subsonic cruise missiles such as storm shadow.
Even for a moment your argument is taken seriously. So let me tell you that by your own argument, India can launch Both Nirbhaya and Brahmos. Keep stopping them
Good Luck!
Nirbhay?
It's still under testing and not inducted yet.
Brahmos?
So far only 3x SU-30MKI have been modified to carry the missile.
No Indian submarine as of yet can carry brahmos and only 3x Kolkata class surface shift can fire Brahmos. Due to the missiles sheer size and weight. No other Indian navy ship can.
Only threat are the ground based launches deployed near our borders.
Ok education time.
- 3-4x Rajput class
- 6x Talwar class
- 3x Shivalik class
- 3x Kolkata class
- 3x Delhi class (Undergoing MLU)
- 861th,862th, 863rd regiments of indian army each with atleast 72 missiles. One more regiment under the order.
- 7-8x Kilos class subs are armed with equally devastating Kaliber missiles.
- One squadron of jaguars with Harpoon missiles
- 2 squadron of MKI with Brahmos-A
- 2 squadron of Rafale with Strom shadow.
- 2 U209 subs with Harpoons
Nirbhay will never enter service, it was a TD project apparently. Four different cruise programs underway in its place. But why wait for those when you have these many to deal with already.
Edit: + P8Is with Harpoons and Mig-29K with Kh-31/35