Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[screambowl]

Army soldiers do not handle riot control.

Para military will be on standby to be deployed at the front as well. And not just that, there will be recruitment of young boys to fill in. We are talking about confrontation with China not Pakistan. Or both together.

Er, no. For China it's a huge problem when it comes to geography. For them TAR is a very sensitive region. For us, all the regions are stable.

What's stable? There is a separatist movement in J&K there are Naxals in North East upto Nagpur in Maharashtra.

Why add Pakistan?

Because they will be providing every thing on India from Humanint to technical and on ground to China for coordinated strike. They will use their proxies to create unrest.

The Chinese need a month or more to deploy troops.

Deploy where? They already have deployed close to border areas. They have better roads. And it will be naive to believe that they are not maintaining equal number of strength what India has deployed at LAC. Just see the google map image near Doka La , where there used to be just valley and rivers now there are villages and bunkers. At least 5k population.

We need 24 hours now to cross the Indo-Pak border and less than 7 days to finish.

That I have been hearing since the day I was born.

At worst, we will have to deal with an insurgency when we are fighting China in case of a two-front war. When it comes to psychology, resources etc, you have no clue what you are talking about.

There is no consensus among leadership in India on what to do with China or Pakistan. Or how to deal with, no long strategic plan. There is no aim. You are just occupied with some insurgency all the time instead of using the money to develop the country.

But Chinese and Pakistanis are clear that they are after your territory, and this is why Nepal went out of your grip, Sri Lanka now facilitates Chinese port, Bangladesh in Neutral. Maldives just survived!

 

[randomradio]

Para military will be on standby to be deployed at the front as well. And not just that, there will be recruitment of young boys to fill in. We are talking about confrontation with China not Pakistan. Or both together.

No, paramilitary is for internal security. The army has its own 1 million man reserve, and then there's also the TA with an almost equal number ready to be called into service. Then there's a huge troop of NCC, which can be trained and called in as well.

What's stable? There is a separatist movement in J&K there are Naxals in North East upto Nagpur in Maharashtra.

What J&K? It's Ladakh, not J&K. Please tell me what separatist movement is going on in Ladakh?

And Naxals, really? Do you even know how far away the Naxals are from the border? And what's the army go to do with Naxals?

Because they will be providing every thing on India from Humanint to technical and on ground to China for coordinated strike. They will use their proxies to create unrest.

None of them can do anything like that.

Deploy where? They already have deployed close to border areas. They have better roads. And it will be naive to believe that they are not maintaining equal number of strength what India has deployed at LAC. Just see the google map image near Doka La , where there used to be just valley and rivers now there are villages and bunkers. At least 5k population.

It's clear you do not know how and where the Chinese are deployed. The nearest China Group Army is in the plains near Central China. At least 1500Km away from Sikkim.

That I have been hearing since the day I was born.

Condsidering that information was released only a few years ago, maybe you are right...

There is no consensus among leadership in India on what to do with China or Pakistan. Or how to deal with, no long strategic plan. There is no aim. You are just occupied with some insurgency all the time instead of using the money to develop the country.

Again, no clue. Yes, we do have a strategy with respect to both Pakistan and China. And yes, it's working very well.

But Chinese and Pakistanis are clear that they are after your territory, and this is why Nepal went out of your grip, Sri Lanka now facilitates Chinese port, Bangladesh in Neutral. Maldives just survived!

Mongolia is very close to India. We are extremely close to Vietnam, even have access to a naval base there. We have access to a naval base in Indonesia. We are engaging with Taiwan. Logistics agreements have given us access to American, Japanese and Australian bases. We are planning a base in Tajikistan. Most of the IOR countries are on our side. Dude, read up.

 

[screambowl]

No, paramilitary is for internal security. The army has its own 1 million man reserve, and then there's also the TA with an almost equal number ready to be called into service. Then there's a huge troop of NCC, which can be trained and called in as well.

That will still be less. I repeat, you are talking about confrontation with China a country with ample of resources and huge economy, you are not even 1/3rd of theirs. And in mountain warfare, the toll will be huge on both sides. They will simply deploy their navy once they build pressure on the territorial front. You also need soliders to guard your coastal line.

In 1962, they had started recruitment of young boys to fill in even though there was paramilitary and others. And they were sent to borders to get killed by chinese bullet. There will be sudden mismanagement and lack of communication and proper logistic support.

Theoretically every thing sounds really La la , wah wah, but in seconds it will become so damn bloody that you can't imagine. There are already man traitors in India and they are also in MILLIONS!

They are constantly testing your preparedness by crossing the LAC. They are doing the assessment.

It's clear you do not know how and where the Chinese are deployed. The nearest China Group Army is in the plains near Central China. At least 1500Km away from Sikkim.

And who told you that. Go ask those Indian army training guys in, Silliguri and Sikkim how far chinese has settled themselves.

Pata nahi Hindustan kay kitne bache marvayegi Delhi Sultanat.

What J&K? It's Ladakh, not J&K. Please tell me what separatist movement is going on in Ladakh?

Route to Ladakh is via J&K.

And Naxals, really? Do you even know how far away the Naxals are from the border? And what's the army go to do with Naxals?

You seriously don't know that NE is full of Maoists, local police, people in state governments, street vendors students , some tribles etc. Why do IB guys have safe houses there, why they remain mum. The info spreads like fire and person gets kidnapped. Forget NE, remember how an IB guy was killed in Delhi? I am afraid exactly that will happen.


You people sitting in Delhi Mumbai etc have no idea what's going on. And government is not serious.

Mongolia is very close to India. We are extremely close to Vietnam, even have access to a naval base there. We have access to a naval base in Indonesia. We are engaging with Taiwan. Logistics agreements have given us access to American, Japanese and Australian bases. We are planning a base in Tajikistan. Most of the IOR countries are on our side. Dude, read up.

That wouldn't bring you anything when your own land is breached.

 

[randomradio]

That will still be less. I repeat, you are talking about confrontation with China a country with ample of resources and huge economy, you are not even 1/3rd of theirs. And in mountain warfare, the toll will be huge on both sides. They will simply deploy their navy once they build pressure on the territorial front. You also need soliders to guard your coastal line.

In 1962, they had started recruitment of young boys to fill in even though there was paramilitary and others. And they were sent to borders to get killed by chinese bullet. There will be sudden mismanagement and lack of communication and proper logistic support.

Theoretically every thing sounds really La la , wah wah, but in seconds it will become so damn bloody that you can't imagine. There are already man traitors in India and they are also in MILLIONS!

Forget it, you don't really know what you're talking about.

They are constantly testing your preparedness by crossing the LAC. They are doing the assessment.

Both sides cross LAC.

And who told you that. Go ask those Indian army training guys in, Silliguri and Sikkim how far chinese has settled themselves.

What they have against India is peanuts. Read up on their orbat, and ours.

Route to Ladakh is via J&K.

You are confusing terrorists with regular army.

You seriously don't know that NE is full of Maoists, local police, people in state governments, street vendors students , some tribles etc. Why do IB guys have safe houses there, why they remain mum. The info spreads like fire and person gets kidnapped. Forget NE, remember how an IB guy was killed in Delhi? I am afraid exactly that will happen.

What's that go to do with the army?

You people sitting in Delhi Mumbai etc have no idea what's going on. And government is not serious.

Okay.

That wouldn't bring you anything when your own land is breached.

Okay. Waste of time.

 

[Ashwin]

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1260146549146791943

Sukhois did not scramble

Tney were already flying near that area

 

[screambowl]

Forget it, you don't really know what you're talking about.



Both sides cross LAC.



What they have against India is peanuts. Read up on their orbat, and ours.



You are confusing terrorists with regular army.



What's that go to do with the army?



Okay.



Okay. Waste of time.

Bhai itna hi Hindustan powerful hota to aaj na Pakistan moot raha hota hum par na china. Infact Indians khud moot rahey hai apney desh par. No matter what, you have failed to protect your motherland past 1000 years. That's why every century you have only lost land and never gained an inch.

 

[Quicksilver]

Bhai itna hi Hindustan powerful hota to aaj na Pakistan moot raha hota hum par na china. Infact Indians khud moot rahey hai apney desh par. No matter what, you have failed to protect your motherland past 1000 years. That's why every century you have only lost land and never gained an inch.

some examples:

sikkim integrated
goa
pondicheryy
hyderabad state
siachen
broken apart an enemy country into two
got that part of the country into sphere of influence

crossed intl border in the past few years with:
Myanmar
Pakistan
China(doklam we went into their territory)

building roads into china (manas sarovar) over disputed territory with Nepal

i think you need to reduce your anxiety a bit.

 

[randomradio]

some examples:

sikkim integrated
goa
pondicheryy
hyderabad state
siachen
broken apart an enemy country into two
got that part of the country into sphere of influence

crossed intl border in the past few years with:
Myanmar
Pakistan
China(doklam we went into their territory)

building roads into china (manas sarovar) over disputed territory with Nepal

i think you need to reduce your anxiety a bit.

All that in just 70 years, not even 1000.

China(doklam we went into their territory)

No, we did not. That's Bhutanese territory. The Chinese are only claiming it's theirs, hence disputed.

 

[screambowl]

sikkim integrated

Was a part of ancient India only. Nothing new

goa

reclaimed after it got freedom LOL, was already a part of Bharat
During the medieval period, Goa was ruled by the Kadamba kingdom, Vijayanagara Empire, Bahmani Sultanate and Bijapur Sultanate.

The Portuguese invaded Goa in 1510, defeating the Bijapur Sultanate.

hyderabad state

it was already a part of Hindu India occupied by Muslims

siachen

already a part of Himalayas, sanskrit name, means part of India.

broken apart an enemy country into two

Is it yours? No, so leave it.

crossed intl border in the past few years with:
Myanmar

Only noobs think that.

building roads into china (manas sarovar) over disputed territory with Nepal

mansarovar was part of Uttarakhand before 1962 now you need visa.

i think you need to reduce your anxiety a bit.

I know the reality and this is why I am getting anxious.

 

[Paro]

Deploy where? They already have deployed close to border areas. They have better roads. And it will be naive to believe that they are not maintaining equal number of strength what India has deployed at LAC. Just see the google map image near Doka La , where there used to be just valley and rivers now there are villages and bunkers. At least 5k population.

And who told you that. Go ask those Indian army training guys in, Silliguri and Sikkim how far chinese has settled themselves.

I would usually agree with a lot of your views on this forum but on this one aspect, I think you should read up a bit. Chinese can never match man to man on the borders, they are far from doing so and they know it. Indians have upped the game a lot on this front in the past 5 years. Indians are the last one's they want to take a panga with now with all that's happening around them. Just check out the orbats on both sides.

There are only a handful of places they can take advantage off but they know very well what the consequences are of doing so as you have seen in doklam. I'm sure in next 5-7 years these gaps will also be closed along with deployment of irbms of our own.

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[Lolwa]

That will still be less. I repeat, you are talking about confrontation with China a country with ample of resources and huge economy, you are not even 1/3rd of theirs. And in mountain warfare, the toll will be huge on both sides. They will simply deploy their navy once they build pressure on the territorial front. You also need soliders to guard your coastal line.

You are assuming that the Chinese will get into an armed conflict with us. Let's be very clear on one thing. The Chinese do not consider us rivals they pretty much want us to become their vassals and be subservient to them. Their aim is to displace the west and become the sole superpower. Now till the U.S remains a credible force they won't waste their troops on India. For the Chinese the first priority lies in the South China Sea. All their major military and ballistic missiles are aimed against the Japanese and Americans. We do not come in their calculus. What they want is to use their manufacturing capacity and capital to basically outnumber enemy hardware . That's why their huge investment in the navy. For the most part the land component of the PLA is right now the least funded and even though it's the most experienced out of all the three branches it's just technologically on par with us on most aspects. The PlAAF and PLAN are a different story. And it's my prediction that the Chinese will continue to do this until 2030, so we still have 10 years to fix our ways. The Chinese are readying their war machine for the Americans. The Chinese white paper claims that the PLA will be a modernised global expeditionary force by 2030. Which means all our jokes about the Chinese being just young boys with no experience will become invalid. Only when Taiwan falls to the CCP and reclaim of most off SCS will the Chinese set eyes on the Tibetan front. They realistically can't fight a land and a naval conflict simultaneously with experienced and modern armies unlike the U.S which basically fights ragtag militias and third world armies. And if the Americans can't do it the Chinese cannot with even lesser experience. And I do have a feeling tthat Taiwan falling to the CCP is pretty much inevitable. They have already lost most of the global support. The attitude of WHO towards Taiwan was pretty much a demo of what's to come for them. The Americans have always been unreliable so if the situation gets out of control they will happily abandon the Taiwanese and recognise it as Chinese Land. Until Taiwan doesn't fall the Chinese will only have small fistfights with us.

 

[screambowl]

I would usually agree with a lot of your views on this forum but on this one aspect, I think you should read up a bit. Chinese can never match man to man on the borders, they are far from doing so and they know it. Indians have upped the game a lot on this front in the past 5 years. Indians are the last one's they want to take a panga with now with all that's happening around them. Just check out the orbats on both sides.

There are only a handful of places they can take advantage off but they know very well what the consequences are of doing so as you have seen in doklam. I'm sure in next 5-7 years these gaps will also be closed along with deployment of irbms of our own.

China’s Creeping Invasion of India

India is scrambling to build infrastructure that will allow it to counter Chinese incursions along the LAC.

thediplomat.com

'Arunachal exercise of new Army mountain strike corps not linked to Xi Jinping India trip'

There have been reports that China has objected to the exercise ahead of Xi's visit to India next week for a second informal summit with PM Modi.

theprint.in

With 'Him Vijay' & Mountain Strike Corps, India can alter the way China border is managed

Indian Army's Mountain Strike Corps signals a historic shift in the way India defines deterrence in its relationship with China.

theprint.in

The Strategic Postures of China and India: A Visual Guide

Fueled by aggressive rhetoric from both capitals, Indian and Chinese ground forces engaged in a standoff between June and August 2017. The Doklam crisis, as it became known, stimulated introspection among officials and experts in both states about the future of their relationship. Politically...

www.belfercenter.org

What happened in Doklam was due to lethargy of RAW, SSB and MI. And there is a potential of repeating it again in other areas of Indo Tibettan region.

When you escalate an event to a direct military confrontation and then reduce it gradually, the events which are followed are shadowed by that big event. So the escalation acts as a cover. You may get happy about sending them off the plateau but that is something to cover other things.

The Dragon expands by building roads and making that region economically dependent on itself by creating market in the region. What they have done close to Bhutan border is they are creating market facilities which will give Bhutanese and oppurtunity to cross over and sell the product of buy the product. This will expand Chinese reach into Bhutan and to a great level , somewhat India as well.

The smugglers will simply pay off bribes to ITBP guys just like Bangladeshis do with BSF, and sneak in or sneak out. This will create enough ecosystem for perfect insurgency around the geography and then play in the ISI to settle their people around for funding those maoists etc.

What would army or any one do in this case? They are not trained to detect such buildup and reach to a conclusions. Military is only there to defend. These army people don't have that instinct to identify economic intrusion nor they are trained for this.

Once insurgency is in the area this will only create more trouble to locals state government and central and expand India's expenditure toclear it's own and and flush out doubtful elements instead of using that capital somewhere else. Once that region is economically weak or full of insurgency, then comes the military part of confrontation. And in that India can't match because of already infested insurgency in the region by the Chinese. Then it will be like Kashmir.

 

[Ashwin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1261283834869329920

 

[AbRaj]

W

what is the relevance of this video here?
It’s year old video.

PS: stop promoting HeeraMandi propaganda videos.
The YT channel you are posting here is Fromm HeeraMandi Lahore

 

[Gautam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1261199223216734209

https://twitter.com/x/status/1261208885567778816

 

[jetray]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1261199223216734209

https://twitter.com/x/status/1261208885567778816

, but when we stand firm, they get a message

No doubt they are just testing us. Give them a good thrashing they will start respecting. Their thinking is things wont go that far.

 

[Sulla84]

What's stable? There is a separatist movement in J&K there are Naxals in North East upto Nagpur in Maharashtra.

Ya dude.. the whole land from Northeast to Maharashtra is "liberated" land, where GOI has hardly any sway. Maybe you aren't paying attention to the decimation of the fabled red corridor over the past 10 years...

 

[Sulla84]

For all the pessimists here... India implemented the world's most extensive 21 day lockdown in the world. When, China implemented the lockdown in Hubei, people were amazed at China's organizational capabilities. But, India implemented the 21 day extensive lockdown across the nation, when there were experts all around saying Indian poor would die of starvation in a week. That millions of indians would die of coronavirus and a third of Indian population will be infected. Although India could not crush the spread, since the virus had already been seeded across all of major indian cities, we still managed to slow the spread. For a poor country with 2000$ per capita income, the logistic and organizational feat involved to ensure that there were hardly any starvation deaths is amazing. We are now the second largest producers of PPE at the rate of more than 3 lakh per day ( it maybe a million soon).. Indigenous RT-PCR are being mass produced, and more than 2 lakh n-95 and N-99 masks are being produced daily, and the first indigenous seam sealing machine for making PPE was just launched a couple of days ago. This was a stress test of Indian society orders of magnitudes greater than any wars could have. The world including China would have taken note.. This mobilization would have given heart to both Modi and the armed forces..

 

[screambowl]

Ya dude.. the whole land from Northeast to Maharashtra is "liberated" land, where GOI has hardly any sway. Maybe you aren't paying attention to the decimation of the fabled red corridor over the past 10 years...

haan sab theek hai, stay in your la la land and if in future something goes wrong then bhajan keertn karna. This is the the attitude of all Indians. Don't want to take responsibility and acknowledge the threat and thats why every other time some khilji ghauri comes in or chinese takes away your women and land and loot you! Besharam ho ek dum

You people expect some one else to fight for you!!

You are assuming that the Chinese will get into an armed conflict with us. Let's be very clear on one thing. The Chinese do not consider us rivals they pretty much want us to become their vassals

They already took a lot of land 50 years ago. What more you want them to give. You can't even say proudly that Man sarovar belongs to India. lol Kailash mansarovar bacha nahi paye yahan akar aur parliament mein badi badi baatein kartey ho.