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TVS Motor Company Acquires Norton Motorcycles - CarandBike
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One of India's leading two-wheeler manufacturers, TVS Motor Company has announced the acquisition of British brand Norton Motorcycles. In a statement, TVS has said that the company has acquired Norton Motorcycles in an all-cash deal of GBP 16 million (around ₹ 153 crore in current exchange rates), by acquiring certain assets of Norton Motorcycles (UK) Limited through one of TVS Motor's overseas subsidiaries. The TVS statement says that this will be one of the most interesting acquisitions of a storied motorcycle brand in recent times, and will reflect TVS Motor Company's and India's rapidly rising prominence in the international two-wheeler market.

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interesting times ahead.
Royal Enfield (- Eicher), BSA(- Mahindra) and Norton (-Tvs) Three classic British brands at Indian Ownership.

This discussion has been going on for some time, Good to see this oldies getting an Indian owner....... TVS was the only company which went out of India and put of a manufacturing plant outsid India in Jakarata....... We have heard Honda's, Yamaha's coming to Indian market..... Take that... They produce Step thru motor cycles called Bebek (in their local language) for the Asean Markets......Another Interesting fact, they manufacture BMW bikes and sell it in Germany and other 40 nations...... India exports about 2.4 million Indian branded bikes a year to all over the world, Mainly Bajaj, TVS and now Hero after parting ways with Honda...... With Bs6 implementation, I am sure Indian manufacturers will find markets developed nations too.....

Last not the least: RE has now Show rooms in US.... Lol No wonder Trump was talking about taxes on HD
 
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This discussion has been going on for some time, Good to see this oldies getting an Indian owner....... TVS was the only company which went out of India and put of a manufacturing plant outsid India in Jakarata....... We have heard Honda's, Yamaha's coming to Indian market..... Take that... They produce Step thru motor cycles called Bebek (in their local language) for the Asean Markets......Another Interesting fact, they manufacture BMW bikes and sell it in Germany and other 40 nations...... India exports about 2.4 million Indian branded bikes a year to all over the world, Mainly Bajaj, TVS and now Hero after parting ways with Honda...... With Bs6 implementation, I am sure Indian manufacturers will find markets developed nations too.....

Last not the least: RE has now Show rooms in US.... Lol No wonder Trump was talking about taxes on HD
Absolutely, TVS is the one that has had the most racing cred in India.

I am excited to see what is in store for the Mahindra BSA's rights acquisition. Also, let's see what TVS has got in store for Norton.

There is a huge Modern classic market, but I would really really like to see TVS set up itself as an Indian brand going up against Big three Japanese brands.
If TVS can produce a Good Vtwin, a striaght triple and 600 Straight 4, it can do wonders in the US and European markets. I don't know why Siddhartha Lal is sitting on the 650 twin motor, there should have been a 650 Himalayan full adv, a 650 twin interceptor scrambler, and a 650 classic by now. I feel RE is being taken over by balance sheet aficionados instead of gear head like Lal himself.


I am hoping for a british classic (maybe a couple of em) soon in my garage, but thats after I build another bike shed. What are you riding these days?
 
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Absolutely, TVS is the one that has had the most racing cred in India

Yup, The racing DNA is with them for past 20 years, and they have been part of Dakar for last 4 or 5 years, have been doing quite well for an indian manufacturer....

I am excited to see what is in store for the Mahindra BSA's rights acquisition. Also, let's see what TVS has got in store for Norton

Mahindra had a shaky start with buying a company which was one of the worst interms of Vision- Kinetic Engineering Limited...... I am looking forward for the new aquisition by TVS, interesting times ahead...

here is a huge Modern classic market, but I would really really like to see TVS set up itself as an Indian brand going up against Big three Japanese brands

That is what they are doing, taking head on with Yamaha and Honda in Asean countries.....Long way to go though

If TVS can produce a Good Vtwin, a striaght triple and 600 Straight 4, it can do wonders in the US and European markets. I don't know why Siddhartha Lal is sitting on the 650 twin motor, there should have been a 650 Himalayan full adv, a 650 twin interceptor scrambler, and a 650 classic by now. I feel RE is being taken over by balance sheet aficionados instead of gear head like Lal himself.

The problem is primarility Indian manufactureres predominantly cater to Indian market, and Current Indian market is still roaming on sub 150 cc, The current market is shifting from economy motorcycles to Scooters, and few markets like Karnataka and Kerala has scooter market <50% of overall industry..... The problem with 500 plus CC motor cycle is its a very small industry size dominated by foreign brands with an exception of RE, Investing on this product is going to be a loss for the current scenario as the profits from these models are pretty low.... Why companies even have models like RR 310 ( a BMW JV) is not for the volume, i heard TVS supply Bikes to BMW on loss, but it does give the brand value and experience to the team which cant be valued....... I dont see manufactuers doign >500cc in near future...
 
The problem is primarility Indian manufactureres predominantly cater to Indian market, and Current Indian market is still roaming on sub 150 cc, The current market is shifting from economy motorcycles to Scooters, and few markets like Karnataka and Kerala has scooter market <50% of overall industry..... The problem with 500 plus CC motor cycle is its a very small industry size dominated by foreign brands with an exception of RE, Investing on this product is going to be a loss for the current scenario as the profits from these models are pretty low.... Why companies even have models like RR 310 ( a BMW JV) is not for the volume, i heard TVS supply Bikes to BMW on loss, but it does give the brand value and experience to the team which cant be valued....... I dont see manufactuers doign >500cc in near future...


Indian companies need to clearly demarcate it's sectors between Indian/latin america/Africa/Asean markets as developing markets and European/NA markets as developed markets. Cater to specific classes while leveraging an exceptional Auto components mfg's in India and lower labor market.
> Standard Indian/Asean/Latin America/Africa sub 250 class (ex Pulsar RTR, Hero impulse)
>250-500 Developing market (premium), Developed market basic entry level (KTM 390 series, RE350/500/Himalayan, DRZ400, ninja 400)
>500-900 Developed market Middle Weight/Entry level (XSR 700, SV650, RE twins, CBR 650, Ninja 650, HD Street 750)
>300-600 Superport (R3, R6, CBR 600 rr, Daytona 675, etc)

Essentially, I wish to see Indian auto giants functioning as an organization within the organization. Like for example TVS continuos to do it's bid in it's current markets with it's victors and RTR and apache's, but with Norton, it positions itself to be a contemporary of international brands in limited segments and aim to develop a Norton Manx Twin in 750 twin that competes with Triumph street twin, Kawasaki W800, RE twins , a Norton Commander in 1000 that takes on Bonneville, XSR 900, Speed twin, and then a Nortan Atlas with a High performance 900 triple that takes the does the job of the 850 triple in Yamaha's line up spawning the modern retro XSR 900, Naked Sport FZ09, tenere 900 adv bike and the Tracer 900 sport-tourer. Now you have a Norton that positions itself if 4-6 categories with bulletproof bikes that can give bigger players a run for their money.
 
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TVS Motor Company Acquires Norton Motorcycles - CarandBike
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One of India's leading two-wheeler manufacturers, TVS Motor Company has announced the acquisition of British brand Norton Motorcycles. In a statement, TVS has said that the company has acquired Norton Motorcycles in an all-cash deal of GBP 16 million (around ₹ 153 crore in current exchange rates), by acquiring certain assets of Norton Motorcycles (UK) Limited through one of TVS Motor's overseas subsidiaries. The TVS statement says that this will be one of the most interesting acquisitions of a storied motorcycle brand in recent times, and will reflect TVS Motor Company's and India's rapidly rising prominence in the international two-wheeler market.

@suryakiran @Ashwin @VCheng @nair @_Anonymous_ @rockstarIN @randomradio

interesting times ahead.
Royal Enfield (- Eicher), BSA(- Mahindra) and Norton (-Tvs) Three classic British brands at Indian Ownership.
Not easy to face the vibrant Indian market without a brand/technology from outside, with lots of foreign brands available in India.
 
Not easy to face the vibrant Indian market without a brand/technology from outside, with lots of foreign brands available in India.
Foreign brand other than Honda diesnt have any kind of foothold in india, I mean to threaten major indian brands
 
Foreign brand other than Honda diesnt have any kind of foothold in india, I mean to threaten major indian brands

True. But Chinese copying the design not for Indian market. They do it for their own, african & south asian markets where India trying to sell more automotives. Their copy cats sell easily over ours due to aggressive pricing.

Samething happened to Indian Bajaj boxer two wheeler. Boxer Copy cats sold more in africa than original. Bajaj filled a complaint. atlast to tap the market share, Bajaj had to tie up with Chinese & opened a factory in China manufactured the boxer without their name on it to get money for their own IPR.
 
Foreign brand other than Honda diesnt have any kind of foothold in india, I mean to threaten major indian brands

The new comers in two wheeler like Benelli is a threat to the Indian brands like Enfield. More will come to tap the indian markets soon.
 
True. But Chinese copying the design not for Indian market. They do it for their own, african & south asian markets where India trying to sell more automotives. Their copy cats sell easily over ours due to aggressive pricing.
Chinese are experts, I remember they made a cheap copy of Pulsar and launched it in srilanka, they couldnt do much though....

Samething happened to Indian Bajaj boxer two wheeler. Boxer Copy cats sold more in africa than original. Bajaj filled a complaint. atlast to tap the market share, Bajaj had to tie up with Chinese & opened a factory in China manufactured the boxer without their name on it to get money for their own IPR.
Havent heard of this story though......
 
Chinese are experts, I remember they made a cheap copy of Pulsar and launched it in srilanka, they couldnt do much though....


Havent heard of this story though......
From what I've read heard & understand, their quality leaves a lot to be desired. Their after sales service too is vastly inadequate.
 
India all set to bring in vehicle scrappage policy: What does it mean
The long-delayed and much-awaited vehicle scrappage policy may receive an impetus in the times to come with Road Transport and Highways Minister Nitin Gadkari informing on Thursday that it will be of immense benefit to the domestic automobile sector which is currently reeling from the effects of a national lockdown to check spread of Covid-19 disease.

The vehicle scrappage policy currently awaits a clearance from the Finance Ministry and Gadkari, in a video conference with Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers (SIAM), said he is confident that all creases would be ironed out in a speedy manner. "I have been trying to pursue the scrapping policy for the last two years. We need cooperation from other ministries, stakeholders. Have told the secretary to follow it up as soon as possible. This is one of the steps to boost the industry," he said.

But what is the vehicle scrappage policy that is being touted as a massive step towards helping the Indian automobile sector?


Parts of a vehicle being scrapped can be recycled at manufacturing facilities for new cars.
Parts of a vehicle being scrapped can be recycled at manufacturing facilities for new cars.
In the simplest of terms, the vehicle scrappage policy takes aim at old polluting vehicles on Indian roads and looks at confining them to the scrapyard. With resale value of vehicles beyond 15 years being extremely low, these vehicles can be sent to scrapyards with some sort of monetary compensation to owners which could ensure two benefits - incentive for owners to get rid of such vehicles and putting these polluting vehicles out to help the environment. There could, however, be other equally important benefits like such owners then going to the market for new vehicles which could boost demand, and re-using the scrap materials like steel and aluminum for manufacturing new vehicles.


End of Life Vehicles are taken to scrapyards where machines like shredders are used to reduce them to small parts, some of which are then recycled. The challenge may be to define the set process and to get rid of parts which cannot be used once again in an environment-friendly manner. And while there are also questions pertaining to the compensation amount to be given to owners bringing in their old vehicles - how much, who will give and what criteria to be followed, the obvious and multi-faceted benefits of the policy itself is backed by most.

Vehicle scrappage policy in India may also allow scrap cars from abroad.
Vehicle scrappage policy in India may also allow scrap cars from abroad.


Cash for Clunkers

Experiments with cash for clunkers in the US has produced a mixed bag of results. (This image was tweeted by @climateguyw
Experiments with cash for clunkers in the US has produced a mixed bag of results. (This image was tweeted by @climateguyw
Other countries have previously undertaken measures similar to the vehicle scrappage policy. In the US, it was officially called Car Allowance Rebate System but popularly referred to as 'Cash for Clunkers.' It was implemented in the aftermath of the 2008-2009 financial slump with people being given around $4,500 for their old vehicles provided they buy a more fuel efficient vehicle in its place. Fox News has reported that around 700,000 vehicles were brought to scrapyards under this program.


Did it help the auto industry?

The jury is still out on whether the Cash for Clunkers program actually helped the American car industry. Some studies in the US have shown that while the compensation for old vehicles added a burden of $3 billion on the US taxpayer, people getting compensated often went for cars which were smaller and/or less expensive. A Texas A&M University study, for instance, found that people who opted for Cash for Clunkers bought cars which were $4,600 chaper on an average than cars they may have bought otherwise. Others, however, argue that the same people would not have made new purchases at all if it was not for the Cash for Clunkers program.

Several European countries too have tried experimenting with similar programs and are deliberating upon it in current times of uncertainty as well. The German auto industry has been at the forefront in the demand for such a program but Bloomberg reported earlier this week that the country has put off any such program till early June.
 
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We had major shortcomings in GST collections for April and May months but with increase in fuel prices thru additional duties will help govt make much more than what it lost. I had earlier also posted that as per my estimates, GOI will make over 2lakh crores from oil price hike alone.