Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[Lolwa]

Media picked up holes in the govt. story and questioned it. Which is exactly how it should be.

Ajai Shukla is weird. He sniffs out the right stuff but presents it in abnormal ways. But the side disproving him is not without blame either. The Bhakt army is as factless and moronic as Pravin Sawhney. Only difference is they serve opposing camps and try to twist facts to advantage of their factions

There were never holes in the government story because their was never a story from the government's perspective in the first place. It was the media that reported the happenings at the LAC and there were different versions of what was going on the LAC by different media houses.
Ajai shukla didn't report shit right he was misrepresenting facts and showing his loyalty to the Maino's by trying to put the government in a tricky position. It took guys like Iyer mitra and other foreign OSINT to basically disprove whatever claims shukla made. It's the government fault to not call out the Chinese aggression. This is the biggest screw up. We can't play the non-alignment game any longer we will have to side with Americans as much damage it will have to our non-existent strategic autonomy and geopolitics...

 

[Chain Smoker]

finally mea babus growing spine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1283743781976633344

 

[Ankit Kumar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1283742318999121921

 

[randomradio]

In a war of attrition, where do a nation stands with manufacturing capability like India?

In order to fight Pakistan, we have an oversupply of what we need. Their main forces can be beaten quickly, post which we have to deal with an insurgency. So there's not going to be a war of attrition there. Even when it comes to a border skirmish, we have them outmatched.

In order to fight China, we produce a lot of the stuff we need for that front indigenously. We will only have to import a few specialised weapons. Quite a bit of stuff needed are coming up as well, like artillery guns, rocket launchers and even attack helicopters, with induction to begin soon or happening as we speak.

 

[randomradio]

Interesting .. any resource you could point me to?

It only requires some general knowledge.

What people talk about is the War Wastage Reserve, which is the very last line of reserves. It doesn't include the deployed stores and the respective HQ reserves.

The WWR consists of stores that are nearing their shelf life and ready to be used up in exercises or need to be scrapped or destroyed. In many cases it also includes retired stuff.

Many countries do not even have this type of reserve.

Take the RAF for example, from WW2. They have the Initial Equipment which consists of stuff under immediate operational control of squadrons. Then there's Immediate Reserve, which is that extra aircraft or 2 deployed with the squadron. Then there's Workshop Reserve, which include aircraft under maintenance. Then there's Stored Reserves, which is also what we call war wastage.

WWR is also, IIRC, our largest reserve, so we do need adequate stocks.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Thank You, I have been called left leaning first time in my sizeable life. I am amused to an extent I can not respond to your allegations.

@_Anonymous_ How come a UP Bhaiya be associated with Yechury? You must atleast be a Bihari, No?

Check out his IP address & compare it to banned members . It may surprise you or may not.

 

[screambowl]

They are not buying shares of Jio, they are buying influence on Indian Government.

Because ambani has influence in Govt and especially political parties.

 

[Chain Smoker]

when modi came to power he tried to build good relations with China and pakistan. But Pakistan continuously backstabbed him and the pulwama attack was the last nail in the coffin it completely changed our policy and behaviour towards them. This time China also backstabbed him even he tried a lot to improve ties . I believe he is going to take very tough posture and policy towards China .

 

[Arvind]

In order to fight Pakistan, we have an oversupply of what we need. Their main forces can be beaten quickly, post which we have to deal with an insurgency. So there's not going to be a war of attrition there. Even when it comes to a border skirmish, we have them outmatched.

Pakistan is irrelevant for my question and you knew it.

In order to fight China, we produce a lot of the stuff we need for that front indigenously. We will only have to import a few specialised weapons. Quite a bit of stuff needed are coming up as well, like artillery guns, rocket launchers and even attack helicopters, with induction to begin soon or happening as we speak.

List those indigenous products which are sufficient to hold chinese for months and months on LAC.

 

[randomradio]

Pakistan is irrelevant for my question and you knew it.

It covers all bases.

List those indigenous products which are sufficient to hold chinese for months and months on LAC.

Rifles, helicopters, artillery, and all their related ammunition. Just google all of that.

 

[Jaymax]

List those indigenous products which are sufficient to hold chinese for months and months on LAC.

How many Tanks/ Choppers/ APCs can our lines make in a year working 3 shifts ? Now match that to the attrition rates, maintenance downtime.

 

[noksss]

With Chinese we have been historically losing territory, never it happens in reverse, but you can only see what you want to, no enlightenment helps with delusions.

We have recently mastered an art of finding victories in otherwise embarrassing situations. Once the celebration of victory we achieved this time subsides (just like every time), you will (if you want to) come to know how much it cost to us at ground.

Well, the Chinese for the first time seeing how serious this government is about border infra development ( even shukla ji agrees to this point) and making all the tricks to either stop the current infra ( Which we are not backing off according to satellite images) or trying to deny us the advantage of better infra we will have in near future . The result is they too ending up in having casualties (confirmed even by global times) for the first time in 30+ years .


Only when you stop watching republic TV you will know that even BJP motormouths are quite and not celebrating anything as of now . Also , modi cant get away with lutyens ecosystem led by Rahul gandhi questioning him with satellite images if there was actual loss of territory or india giving up the claim on land what we had earlier .

 

[randomradio]

How many Tanks/ Choppers/ APCs can our lines make in a year working 3 shifts ? Now match that to the attrition rates, maintenance downtime.

With just the stuff we have operational, we can fight for months and months, even years. We already produce a huge chunk of ammo required, and during this time even the private sector can join in.

As long as we maintain a favourable air situation, the amount of attrition within infantry will be high, but everywhere else it will be relatively low. So most of the losses will be centered around small arms and related equipment that the infantry carry and we already have massive supplies of those.

Anyway, any war with China will happen with the fianancial backing of the US and Japan, along with a significant supply of war materials from the US. Hell, with this China-Iran $400B partnership, you will end up seeing the GCC also funding India. Those SIGs and CARs, even M777s, will arrive in ship loads far beyond attrition rates at no cost, even without considering Indian-made supplies.

Right now, we don't need to worry about all the equipment with short procurement cycles of a week to a year. We only need to worry about our top end stuff that aren't here in numbers.

 

[_Anonymous_]

With just the stuff we have operational, we can fight for months and months, even years. We already produce a huge chunk of ammo required, and during this time even the private sector can join in.

As long as we maintain a favourable air situation, the amount of attrition within infantry will be high, but everywhere else it will be relatively low. So most of the losses will be centered around small arms and related equipment that the infantry carry and we already have massive supplies of those.

Anyway, any war with China will happen with the fianancial backing of the US and Japan, along with a significant supply of war materials from the US. Hell, with this China-Iran $400B partnership, you will end up seeing the GCC also funding India. Those SIGs and CARs, even M777s, will arrive in ship loads far beyond attrition rates at no cost, even without considering Indian-made supplies.

Right now, we don't need to worry about all the equipment with short procurement cycles of a week to a year. We only need to worry about our top end stuff that aren't here in numbers.

@Arvind , we've already won the war w/o firing a shot. All hail the Sun Tzu of Strat Forum.

 

[Cole_phelps]

it’s cute how we live in a bubble of superiority and refuse to see anything thatgoes against that view no matter how obvious

PLA has the capability to fight a far with homegrown weapons. Themight be 80% or less capable than the west but Chinks can replace them quite rapidly. Same for munitions.

Between India which has to buy stuff every time there is a crisis and Chinks who get it internally who has an advantage??

PLA lost 47 men and it was able to shrug it off. That’s the level of control their govt has. In a proper conflict their appetite to take losses is far greater.

I never doubted nor underestimated PLA. I only said that fear of massive casualties is keeping them at bay. 47 is one thing and 4700 or 47000 is totally another.

Chinese society is not the same impoverished one of 1990s. Their society is prone to shock of sudden body bags, specially from war unheard of in recent Chinese history.

The difference is same as Arab Muslims going after materialistic comforts while aam Abdul in west is ready to die for Kashmir.

Yes China can fight war and even take huge loss of life but when it is invaded in true sense, specially when mainland is threatened.

The reason China is going easy is it wants India to trade with it. That’s it. Angry Indians won’t buy its goods.Chinese just want to keep India in check n continue to dominate Asia.

There are smaller countries like Philippines Vietnam Mongolia Bhutan even Japan who are observing this standoff. There is no way China will concede on anything that makes it look weak.

They keep on giving us propaganda wins and have correctly estimated it will keep us in good humour

Many logical handles and think tanks have serious hard-on for Tzuiyapa. Even a clusterfk is presented as some super strategy, just short of checkmate.

India only imports USD 80 billion worth goods from China, that's not even 10% of their exports in trillions. It's a dent in its own right but nothing like make-break situation.

China couldn't have chosen more worst time for opening multiple fronts.

 

[jetray]

They are not buying shares of Jio, they are buying influence on Indian Government.

Influence is a very conservative word, its literally a virtual hostage.

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Initially India wanted all the data generated inside the country to be stored & accessible only inside the country. That has been severely diluted now. Foreign companies/cntries can continue spying on us.

 

[shaxm]

@_Anonymous_ How come a UP Bhaiya be associated with Yechury? You must atleast be a Bihari, No?

Lets hope your bihari bashing is not due to what those biharis did to your master comrades at LAC.

 

[jetray]

we are being forced to stand up since satellite imagery is so cheap and easy to acquire that uncomfortable questions cannot be brushed under the carpet.

This is the same govt that despite Chinese provocations, cancelled Uighur dissident visas after a China merely hissed.

Even this year the PM wishing Dalal Lama would have been a symbolic gesture Signaling intent. Didn’t happen

We should not bark if we cannot bite. What was the point in hosting dala lama or pandering to uighur dissidents if we dont follow upon the threat?
Over a period of time it simply makes us look like idiots and no one will take our threats seriously. Hope at least they keep the existing sanctions on china as it is without removing it. Any change to it we will be laughing the stock.

 

[jetray]

How many Tanks/ Choppers/ APCs can our lines make in a year working 3 shifts ? Now match that to the attrition rates, maintenance downtime.

more than tanks and choppers we need ammo's at a faster rate and to top that it should be economical. I doubt we can produce ammo at low cost rt now.

Anyway, any war with China will happen with the fianancial backing of the US and Japan, along with a significant supply of war materials from the US. Hell, with this China-Iran $400B partnership, you will end up seeing the GCC also funding India. Those SIGs and CARs, even M777s, will arrive in ship loads far beyond attrition rates at no cost, even without considering Indian-made supplies.

seriously , you think others are going to fund our war? dude please grow some grey cells.

 

[jetray]

I never doubted nor underestimated PLA. I only said that fear of massive casualties is keeping them at bay. 47 is one thing and 4700 or 47000 is totally another.

Chinese society is not the same impoverished one of 1990s. Their society is prone to shock of sudden body bags, specially from war unheard of in recent Chinese history.

The difference is same as Arab Muslims going after materialistic comforts while aam Abdul in west is ready to die for Kashmir.

Yes China can fight war and even take huge loss of life but when it is invaded in true sense, specially when mainland is threatened.



Many logical handles and think tanks have serious hard-on for Tzuiyapa. Even a clusterfk is presented as some super strategy, just short of checkmate.

India only imports USD 80 billion worth goods from China, that's not even 10% of their exports in trillions. It's a dent in its own right but nothing like make-break situation.

China couldn't have chosen more worst time for opening multiple fronts.

We can actually force them , if we capture some POW's and constantly show them in media about their plight then CCP have to climb down. Simply put we need to shock & surprise them. Either PLA will have to up the ante or back down if we start showing them in more damaging manner.