Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

LX1111 said:
Well, most of the Indian forums have this view. I have no desire to defend myself. Two years ago, when I emphasized PL15, its two-way data link and active-passive composite guidance head, no Indian cared. Today, it is the same. If I explain the performance of HQ9B, no Indian will believe it.
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Its not the view of this forum, it is the evidence. ALL of Indian bases have been scrutinized by satellite images, including ones from Chinese satellite companies. ZERO damage of any significance has been found. Meanwhile Pakistani airbases are looking like swiss-cheese. Clearly a complete failure of air defenses, most are Chinese in origin.

On PL-15, I find the lack of debris of Indian BVRs, either launched or on planes themself very concerning. I believe it was not just missile like PL15, but entire kill chain of PAF that performed well. PL15 had the range and Pakistan's AWACS provided guidance. India for some reason did not deploy ANY of its AWACS for that combat and did not fly Meteor with Rafales.. I wonder why?

Notice, no debris of Meteor was found anywhere. Neither on Rafale which was shot down, nor by itself. PL-15 seekers and even intact body has been found in many places.
 
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Saaho said:
I have been think about it ... I believe that war planners of India never considered the possibility of being ambushed in Indian airspace. They did not equip the planes for long range anti air combat. Or the mission was supposed to be very secret. Not to mention, AWACS was not involved. This means guiding of BVRs was left to planes only.

More importantly, we saw ZERO debrie of Indian BVRs. I wonder why... Did ANY Indian platform even got to firing a single BVR? I believe, our air fighting doctrine is lacking several critical pieces. Most importantly AWACS and EW capabilities. Second is the timid nature of our BVR usage.
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People i IAF is having same mentality of that ultra russian fan member here, aerobatic show & wvr dog fight.
Sathya said:
Justification is expensive & maintenance intensive Ilusiyan aircraft.
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Why IL-76,when Airbus 330 is available. I think our 360 deg awacs also will be on A330.
 
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LX1111 said:
Well, most of the Indian forums have this view. I have no desire to defend myself. Two years ago, when I emphasized PL15, its two-way data link and active-passive composite guidance head, no Indian cared. Today, it is the same. If I explain the performance of HQ9B, no Indian will believe it.
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Then explain your version. Explain what all pl-15 did according to what you have gotten from CCP and what all was intercepted by the hq-9b. Give out a list.
 
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Saaho said:
Thing is, HQ9 failed to protect the most critical parts of Pakistan: its main airbases and its nuke storage. That is a major failure. There is no way around it.
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It's basically a Patriot PAC3 copy in terms of capability. Patriot is a mediocre system. There is a reason why the Americans are integrating David Sling's stunner missile into the patriot.
 
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Hydra said:
People i IAF is having same mentality of that ultra russian fan member here, aerobatic show & wvr dog fight.

Why IL-76,when Airbus 330 is available. I think our 360 deg awacs also will be on A330.
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On what basis are you claiming that IAF top brass is a "russian fanboy", are you attending their meetings? Are you getting specialized dinner with the air force chief?

Do you know that Phalcon is made on IL 76?
 
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Saaho said:
Its not the view of this forum, it is the evidence. ALL of Indian bases have been scrutinized by satellite images, including ones from Chinese satellite companies. ZERO damage of any significance has been found. Meanwhile Pakistani airbases are looking like swiss-cheese. Clearly a complete failure of air defenses, most are Chinese in origin.

On PL-15, I find the lack of debris of Indian BVRs, either launched or on planes themself very concerning. I believe it was not just missile like PL15, but entire kill chain of PAF that performed well. PL15 had the range and Pakistan's AWACS provided guidance. India for some reason did not deploy ANY of its AWACS for that combat and did not fly Meteor with Rafales.. I wonder why?

Notice, no debris of Meteor was found anywhere. Neither on Rafale which was shot down, nor by itself. PL-15 seekers and even intact body has been found in many places.
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I have no intention of arguing.
My opinion is that when we discuss this issue, how many missiles Pakistan launched? India launched obviously more than Pakistan.
How many air defense systems does Pakistan have? According to public information, there are six HQ16s and two HQ9s, which are not enough to cover all important targets. According to Pakistan, India launched about 100 BrahMos and the same number of Storm Shadows.
Pakistan's problem is that it bought too many Saab AWACS，
You have no way to command the air defense system to conduct a unified interception operation through early warning aircraft
Pakistan lacks the depth of China's air defenses.
Without early warning, the interception window of air defense missiles is very short
 
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LX1111 said:
I have no intention of arguing.
My opinion is that when we discuss this issue, how many missiles Pakistan launched? India launched obviously more than Pakistan.
How many air defense systems does Pakistan have? According to public information, there are six HQ16s and two HQ9s, which are not enough to cover all important targets. According to Pakistan, India launched about 100 BrahMos and the same number of Storm Shadows.
Pakistan's problem is that it bought too many Saab AWACS，
You have no way to command the air defense system to conduct a unified interception operation through early warning aircraft
Pakistan lacks the depth of China's air defenses.
Without early warning, the interception window of air defense missiles is very short
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If we had launched 100 brahmos, Modi would have been called by the International Court of Justice at the Hague and sanctioned by the west and islamic states for perpetrating war crimes on the poor Pakistanis.
 
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LX1111 said:
I have no intention of arguing.
My opinion is that when we discuss this issue, how many missiles Pakistan launched? India launched obviously more than Pakistan.
How many air defense systems does Pakistan have? According to public information, there are six HQ16s and two HQ9s, which are not enough to cover all important targets. According to Pakistan, India launched about 100 BrahMos and the same number of Storm Shadows.
Pakistan's problem is that it bought too many Saab AWACS，
You have no way to command the air defense system to conduct a unified interception operation through early warning aircraft
Pakistan lacks the depth of China's air defenses.
Without early warning, the interception window of air defense missiles is very short
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Face it, your Chinese advance air-defence like HQ-9/16 has been decimated by IAF. Now the whole world knows this too. There goes your Han pride down into the gutter. From now onwards accept the real might of India before falsely boasting any Chinese propaganda. Chinese weapons/tech has been humilited by our armed forces. Deal with it.
 
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LX1111 said:
Pakistan's problem is that it bought too many Saab AWACS，
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That was literally the best decision by Pakistan. Those SAAB AWACS are literally the biggest headache that the IAF is facing.
Swedish equipment has literally been the MVP for both militaries in this operation. L70 bofors 40mm for india and saab erieyes for the Pakistanis.
Zarion said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1922023677555835189

Just want a confirmation, don't know is trustworthy such maps are.
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The radiation story is not true. The plane that was thought to be american was actually transferred to the Pakistanis long ago.
 
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LX1111 said:
My opinion is that when we discuss this issue, how many missiles Pakistan launched? India launched obviously more than Pakistan.
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Uhhh... ALL of major hits that India scored were ALCMs or ALBMs. That limits the number of missiles launched because aircrafts can only carry one or two missiles at a time. Pakistan on the other hand lanuched SEVERAL volleys of land based Fateh BMs. They even posted several videos of those. I counted minimum 10 such launches on 10th itself. None of them hit anything of value and damage was from debris falling on civilian places.
 
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Paras Defence Anti-drone tech in demand .Pakistan will pay in Dollar we will pay in rupees and create job in own land.
Push to equip every soldier with anti-drone tech, says Paras Anti-Drone CEO https://www.moneycontrol.com/techno...ys-paras-anti-drone-ceo-article-13020859.html

There will be a ramification of China -Pak defence seller buyer relation. Pak will reject vital defence equipment and need to go to western market for preserving minimum deterrence . No cheap loan , hard dollar they have to pay.Interesting time for Pakistan. Offcourse if Pakistan journol loves it's country.
 
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