Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

[Shan]

We have achieved moral dominance in the eyes of the world through our actions.

You obviously do not know this, but throughout most of our global political history, India was demonized and considered the villains. We were always the bad guys. The narrative in the West basically was India is the Galactic Empire and Pakistanis are the Rebel Alliance.

Things started changing for us after Mumbai and Osama hiding in Pakistan. Due to the actions of Islam around the world, and our deliberate inaction in Sindoor has established us as the good guys. It was worth getting this done 'cause even if not officially, the mango man in the West is now convinced that Pakistan is a terrorist state, and Pakistan's backers in the West will be less trusted by them.

The next time we don't need to hold ourselves back.

Not what I read. Spoke with NRI folks. Does not seem that way." achieved moral dominance in the eyes of the world through our actions." People really do not care to be honest. It was another conflict.

 

[Hydra]

Thats the million dollar question. Do we want similar PR campaigns against India like the ones being run for Palestine?

Wouldnt a better game plan be to let Pak implode and then have PoK request a merger. Let their internal factions slug it out and turn popular opinion pro India so when a merger happens we can atleast dodge one bullet?

Waiting for Pakistan to implode similar to the story of "fox who followed an ox for days, thinking that's its low hanging testicle sack will drope so that fox will get a free meal". Sack didn't dropped, and fox didn't get free meal too.

 

[South block]

We have achieved moral dominance in the eyes of the world through our actions.

You obviously do not know this, but throughout most of our global political history, India was demonized and considered the villains. We were always the bad guys. The narrative in the West basically was India is the Galactic Empire and Pakistanis are the Rebel Alliance.

Things started changing for us after Mumbai and Osama hiding in Pakistan. Due to the actions of Islam around the world, and our deliberate inaction in Sindoor has established us as the good guys. It was worth getting this done 'cause even if not officially, the mango man in the West is now convinced that Pakistan is a terrorist state, and Pakistan's backers in the West will be less trusted by them.

The next time we don't need to hold ourselves back.

You manage to fend off because you share proof..... Otherwise even the so called reputed media houses were trying to spin for Porkee.... Reason why they gave first time never heard Porkee & Chong journalist to write rubbish on their platforms..... You are still a Galactic Empire.

 

[Shan]

You manage to fend off because you share proof..... Otherwise even the so called reputed media houses were trying to spin for Porkee.... Reason why they gave first time never heard Porkee & Chong journalist to write rubbish on their platforms..... You are still a Galactic Empire.

Exactly. Finally a person who read intl. press.

 

[Shan]

Waiting for Pakistan to implode similar to the story of "fox who followed an ox for days, thinking that's its low hanging testicle sack will drope so that fox will get a free meal". Sack didn't dropped, and fox didn't get free meal too.

Be honest.....can you digest a prolonged war? A single aircraft had the whole society in tizzy. War is easy to initiate and difficult to control. So think before you entertain this idea. Leave bravado aside and do cold hard calculations.

 

[Shan]

moral of the story. Elect govt. that spend on defence and have a realistic approach towards war. Also, please for the love of god develop your own weapons if possible.

 

[mougli]

In these 4 days of hostilities, India has shown an unprecedented level of tech capabilities which were unkown till date and also a military response which no one ever expected. Firstly, We destroyed targets inside Pakistan without entering their airspace in all the four days of this short conflict. Secondly, we hit targets inside Pakistan at our time and place and will. Thirdly we completely crippled their AD systems and rendered them incapable of interfering with our air assets which did these strikes. Thirdly, we have demonstrated capability to defend our long border with Pakistan with 100% ability to shoot down anything thrown at us by Pak. No nation till has been able to shoot down 100% of missiles/drones fired at them till date. India is the first one. When Iran Attacked Israel, USA, France, UK and Jorden came to the rescue of Israel. But India did it all alone. Israel is a small country so its AD systems were rather concentrated in a very small area, But India has a border of over 2500kms with Pak and yet we achieved 100% interception. By striking Kirana Hills in a very short response time when Pak opened its tunnel mouth, we have demonstrated our capability to strike using conventional weapons to neutralise nuke weapons. We have very deep penetrator bombs and firing multiple of them in TOT=Time over Target mode, we can completely collapse the entire Kirana hills structure by making all these bombs strik at the same precise time to completely destabilise the hill structure and cause it collapse. The entire hill can be made to collapse burying anything and everything in it. As a fighter pilot I have myself done such TOT strikes with aircraft taking off from different bases yet keeping time TOT.

We have demonstrated the ability to hit anywhere at will. Now what is the future? We have not entered anykind of ceasefire with Pak, we are on hot standby which means we have all systems operational and only firing has been stopped with lid on firing switch still put down. If Pak does anything funny, we might see IAF+IN+IA getting into the game to first strike all nuke storge sites including a massive strike on Kirana hills including all nuke sites of anykind, hardened Ac shelters, Hangers, command and control centres including deeply buried centres, oil dumps, important bridges, power stations and the complete Nuke Command Authority of Pakistan including its top leadership. Which will include their Army Chief and other Generals in direct strike. We will treat them as Israel treats Hamas and its leadership. AND all this will be done using TOT strike. within just 5 seconds, all our weapons of anykind and fired from any place and for any target in Pakistan will arrive over the target within 5 seconds. Pakistan will be gone in just 5 seconds.

We will keep alive their civil leadership for post war negotiations as part of exit strategy and closure of operations to create a lasting Ceasefire. I expect Pak army to just give up their weapons and will to fight once PAF is destroyed on ground or rendered unfit to fight. The mad guys of our strike corps who have a motto of hull down, skull down, bash on regardless will be unstoppable. We might have another Pant down ceremony exceeding 600k Pak soldiers..

Consolidated from online content:

Dismantle:
(Primarily utilize the Indian Air Force and Navy for these strategies, potentially avoiding a ground invasion)
*De-nuclearize Pakistan.
*Eliminate the Pakistan Air Force, Navy, Strategic command, army leaderships (not necessarily army boots), and acquire their ports - their will to fight will be gone.
*Dismantle institutions promoting extremism and promote a moderate Islam, potentially encouraging conversions, missionaires, etc.
*Conduct indefinite targeted counter-terrorism operations against radical elements - take help of Russia including.

Constitutional:
*Implement a post-WWII Japan-style anti-military constitution in Pakistan to prevent remilitarization and limit external arming.
*Reduce Pakistan to a functionally limited state focused on basic administration like post-WW2 Japan but with tighter controls.

Financial:
*Integrate the Pakistani central bank with Indian banks for currency control.
*Require Pak Punjab to hold a significant portion of its foreign reserves with the Reserve Bank of India (or Indian banks) - also helps Indian economy.
*Implement French economic controls on Africa like system on Pak Punjab.
*Maybe a quantitative easing like step like America has on Japan.
*Ask other newly formed friendly states to also keep their reserves in India RBI.

Geographical:
*Restrict the formal state of Pakistan to PAK Punjab, landlocking it with Balochistan and Sindh as buffer states.
*Stock enemity of PAK Punjab with rest of the countries to keep them in check if their civilian police/left over army ever gives trouble.
*Develop Balochistan and Sindh as economically stronger protectorates of India to check Punjab.

Media & Demographics:
*Establish media control - sane/kiddish/pop content - etc.
*Band and punish cousine/incest marriages + use genetic engineering to fix the current IQ damage due to same vice.
*Address identity perceptions, DNA checks, etc that they are not arabs.
*Expel foreign extremists from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) and relocate native extremists to PAK Punjab.
*Alter/restor POK's demographics through the settlement of armed specific populations including dislocated Pandits, ex-military families, etc.

Political:
*Maintain PoK as a union territory indefinitely.
*Cultivate Indian-aligned leaders within PAK Punjab through Indian agencies - including smuggling in Indians.
*Give PAK Punjab resource access to other P5 states to pacify them.

Civilian:
*Allow civilians in Punjab to live with dignity and opportunities for development so they can find alternative life.
*Promote K-POP and addictive games.
*Yoga, etc.

 

[Hydra]

Be honest.....can you digest a prolonged war? A single aircraft had the whole society in tizzy. War is easy to initiate and difficult to control. So think before you entertain this idea. Leave bravado aside and do cold hard calculations.

The one u seeing in Ukraine, no. War like we fought in 1965,1971,1999 Kargil war,yeas we can.

 

[Jaymax]

The one u seeing in Ukraine, no. War like we fought in 1965,1971,1999 Kargil war,yeas we can.

What did they achieve?

1965 - Bhool chook maaf. status quo ante bellum restored

1971 - we helped Pak (yes we did) by taking out their cancerous part. Free of the Bengali problem they could focus better on Kashmir. We did absolutely no lasting damage on the west.

1999 - a royal disaster cleaned by the armed forces by paying an expensive price in blood. Any impact on Pak? It helped Mush come to power and we had a standoff till almost 2004 and then 26/11 later.

So what did these wars achieve in the context of solving the Pak problem?

 

[Shan]

The one u seeing in Ukraine, no. War like we fought in 1965,1971,1999 Kargil war,yeas we can.

there is absolutely zero guarantees that the conflict can be controlled like those earlier. Also, I have been gauging the reaction from the opposition in India. Not a good picture to be honest. Same behaviour as that post 2016 etc. Your ability to wage war is also dependent on prevailing circumstances and effective diplomacy.

 

[South block]

there is absolutely zero guarantees that the conflict can be controlled like those earlier. Also, I have been gauging the reaction from the opposition in India. Not a good picture to be honest. Same behaviour as that post 2016 etc. Your ability to wage war is also dependent on prevailing circumstances and effective diplomacy.

Kh@ngress is a done deal..... We just called porkee bluff.... Nothing will satisfy the unsatisfied one lol.

 

[South block]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924400167093997625

 

[randomradio]

Yep - so IF the requirement for a stop-gap LO fighter is seriously pursued, our choices essentially boil down to buying either the F-35 or Su-57 as they are, meaning no Blk-4 or Su-57M for us.

Gotta be realistic. For Su-57, the Ukraine war has to end, there's no two ways about this. Plenty of defense deals with them are on hold 'cause of it. The war's given Putin dictatorial powers, so it's unlikely that he will end it anytime soon. Without an unrealistic pro-Russian ceasefire, it could take until 2030 to end.

As for the F-35, it's underpowered. It needs the engine upgrade (2029+) just to operate adequately in plains, never mind mountains. Post-upgrade too, it will be adequate over Punjab but underpowered in the mountains.

Best case the Russians and Americans bring their jets to compete in MRFA, then we get to buy time due to the parallel nature of development and testing that's allowed under MRFA. We can skip the lengthy FMS process too.

The only answer we have for either is the AMCA.

But till the version with next-gen engines becomes a reality, the AMCA will not be a J-20B/C equivalent tech-wise, at best it can only be a J-35 equivalent. But it would still be able to hold its own against the J-20B/C because it won't hand as big of a look-first/shoot-first advantage to the J-20 as any of our other fighters would.

Even making use of MUMT will be an uphill battle for our other jets (as compared to AMCA) because in all likelihood, a 4.5G mothership will be significantly more visible than its stealthy wingmen...which needless to say, is the a$$-backwards way of how MUMT is supposed to work.

AMCA is not meant to compete with J-20B/C. It's meant to kill J-20, J-XX etc. Compete and kill are not the same things.

Same rules for LCA and MRFA too.

Swedish doctrine: Can the Gripen compete with a Flanker? No. Can the Gripen kill the Flanker? Yes.

Just saying, we need the stealth fighter sooner cuz we need to counter enemy stealth fighters sooner. And we need to counter them all by ourselves unlike NATO.

This is why we don't have the luxury of skipping investment in the 5G development cycle and going straight to 6G like the French want to do.

We gotta wait and watch if the IAF plans to reassess MRFA or continue with it after Sindoor. If they continue, then they are not that concerned about J-20, J-35 etc.

It's all relative. It doesn't matter if either our or their aircraft meet some arbitrary standard of what 'real stealth' is.

All that will matter is that once we are both airborne, the one who has a bigger RCS will suffer a disadvantage against the one with the smaller RCS.

How big the disadvantage is, and whether the other guy is tailoring his tactics to leverage his advantage or not, will determine the outcome.

RCS is just one small aspect, like one of the fingers required to make a fist. The IAF has chosen to develop the other fingers first, starting with information.

Information is the real battlespace. Everything else is secondary to it. Information is what determines whether something is stealth or not.

 

[South block]

Clown show is back .... These people are not serious period.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924487867234935235

 

[Shan]

Clown show is back .... These people are not serious period.

This was an opportunity to close this affair.

 

[randomradio]

Not what I read. Spoke with NRI folks. Does not seem that way." achieved moral dominance in the eyes of the world through our actions." People really do not care to be honest. It was another conflict.

It's too early, it takes time for information to go down the chain. Since official media is biased, we have to depend on social media. And social media depends on influencers who push the narrative. The narrative now is pro-India. This time the incident was too short and too small for most Western mangoes to focus on. But the next time, with a bigger incident, the mangoes will ask questions to their local enthusiasts who have kept up, and if enough people become curious enough to notice that this is Pak's third chance, knowing how soft we were the first two times, they are less likely to be pro-Pak.

Anyway, Western mangoes have become desensitized to air strikes. Had we seen a ground invasion, it would have received far more traction. We can't compete with Israel-Hamas and Russia-Ukraine in terms of TRP.

 

[randomradio]

You manage to fend off because you share proof..... Otherwise even the so called reputed media houses were trying to spin for Porkee.... Reason why they gave first time never heard Porkee & Chong journalist to write rubbish on their platforms..... You are still a Galactic Empire.

We can't do anything about that.

Social media is where the real news is at.

 

[randomradio]

This was an opportunity to close this affair.

It's good for economic activity. But I'd prefer to see the border closed indefinitely instead.

A single aircraft had the whole society in tizzy.

Wasn't just in India. It was a problem for the whole world.

 

[CATS @hunter]

Are you seriously quoting a guy who thinks we operate our airforces like soviet union?

This is the fundamental issue with most of the American military commentary on others. These people are always self obsessed, they dont know anything about other nations other than maybe NATO. Most of them lack basic general knowledge. Its that classic midwit meme.

This guy thinks we operate a Soviet A50 and a few AWACS of our own. That's how much he did his homework. From that, he concluded that "Pakistan is fighting a modern war while India is fighting like it's Vietnam". An absolute bozo full of confidence. Since Pakistan is/was an American ally and since they use F-16s, they are closer to us and therefore more advanced in aircombat. They think since we use all the migs and sukhois we must be using the soviet way of warfare. This is the default midwit American worldview. I saw similar comment by @Innominate .

What these midwits actually miss is that our way of fighting comes from Britich not Soviet. We modified every fighter of Eastern origin to our way of fighting. Our doctrines evolved from British with Soviet equipment. MiG-21, a Soviet interceptor, was used primarily for high-speed hit-and-run attacks, diverging from Soviet doctrinal norms that prioritized ground-controlled interception. In fact modern IAF doctraine is akin to NATO’s multi-domain operations.

On AWACS, we operate the most advanced full fledged system in the subcontinent. We couldn't get a western platform, so we used an Il-76 with an Israeli Phalcon. Even the latest Pakistani Erieye cannot match its capabilities due to limitations in radar size and power generation. The reason why we don't have a sufficient number of AWACS is not due to doctrinal differences, but rather the indecision of the political class and delays in in-house developments. We are part of the handful of nations that can actually build a full AWACS indigenously. We are ordering 12 more GaN based AWACS based on the experience. Thats more than any European nation.

We definitely have enough net-centric warfare and capable electronic warfare systems. That is another misinformed take by someone lacking knowledge. You have to seriously question your critical thinking abilities if you think we didn't have AWACS in the air while we conducted the largest aerial warfare offensive in a decade. Dont be that NRI meme who looks up to every opinion of a white person, detect midwits.

The IAF was targeting the terrorist infrastructure, that's why no sead/ dead operation in the first attack, if you are doing such missions in dense AD environment, there will be losses, again attacking direct military air bases will be considered as act of war, the Indian government didn't want to be the first initiative, if the jaguars are dropping missiles in your territory in day light, then it's clearly you have lost the air superiority, which the jaguars did,

How Hard is for the analyst to decode the first attack was for terrorist infrastructure not military bases

 

[Shaktimaan]

Pakistan, India agree to normalise troop levels by May-end: officials

Days after US brokered ceasefire between the arch-rivals, nuclear-armed Pakistan and India finally agreed to move back their forces to the peacetime positions along the along the Line of Control ...

www.thenews.com.pk

Pakistan, India agree to
normalise troop levels by
May-end: officials
GOI