Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

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Defc0n said:
Agree in general, but, I am curious about the political blowbacks that we cannot deal with right now and what will change by 2032, 7 years from now?
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We will become unsanctionable by then.

While our technology and energy self-sufficiency journey would have progressed to an advanced stage, our economy would have become less dependent on the backing of Western govts to sustain itself.

A stable and strong INR for example would bring in sustained investments organically and our market would have become big enough to sustain itself without needing to depend on exports, remittances etc for forex. We could end up trading with our own currency too, that's the main advantage.

Otoh, today, if the same level of sanctions as Russia are applied on India, even our survival as a nation state will come into question. We are extremely fragile due to our high dependence on imports.
 
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randomradio said:
We will become unsanctionable by then.

While our technology and energy self-sufficiency journey would have progressed to an advanced stage, our economy would have become less dependent on the backing of Western govts to sustain itself.

A stable and strong INR for example would bring in sustained investments organically and our market would have become big enough to sustain itself without needing to depend on exports, remittances etc for forex. We could end up trading with our own currency too, that's the main advantage.

Otoh, today, if the same level of sanctions as Russia are applied on India, even our survival as a nation state will come into question. We are extremely fragile due to our high dependence on imports.
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Only question is, does it favour west to sanction us the way they did Russia? The exact risks were present when we tested the nuclear bomb — we did sustain and pull through. The only reason we did was that we prioritised what’s important and was ready to compromise with what’s not. Another factor is that, given the current situation, west will need a power to rely on in Asia, with “Goons for hire” being gone, what’s US’s best bet against China?

One more thing to think about, is 7 years going to be enough for us to be ready / self-reliant? We, as a nation, have a tendency to only act when our collective a*ses are the line, until that happens, we tend to have a lackadaisical approach to almost everything. A decision to knock the Pakistan problem out and the problems that come with it might act as the much needed impetus for our nation to start acting the way it ideally should by cutting out all the unwanted and unwarranted beurocracy and optimising for what’s truly needed.

Btw—

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939553714639155275

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939566210125017306
 
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Defc0n said:
Can some one explain what this post is trying to convey —

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939557276983169177
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Trying to convey that, to not neglect elnit,signit, surveillance( sat, istar, spy balloon etc) capabilities.
As you will need to know the latest, real time positions of enemy airdefense assests(radars, missile launchers, Command nodes etc) to launch missiles to neutralize them( SEAD&DEAD).
 
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babablacksheep said:
Trying to convey that, to not neglect elnit,signit, surveillance( sat, istar, spy balloon etc) capabilities.
As you will need to know the latest, real time positions of enemy airdefense assests(radars, missile launchers, Command nodes etc) to launch missiles to neutralize them( SEAD&DEAD).
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Our SEAD capability with EMISAT and other ISR assets is far superior than Pakistan and this gap will widen even more in the coming years.
 
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Exclusive: New Satellite Pics Show India's Attack Split Pak Terror Camps Into Half

During Operation Sindoor, India struck infrastructure sites linked to terror groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Hizbul Mujahideen.
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New high-resolution satellite imagery with NDTV shows, for the first time, the impact of Indian precision strikes against two major terrorist training camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) during Operation Sindoor last month. While the armed forces have not identified the weapons used in the attack, it is believed that both were targeted with loitering drones.

Another proof for the people who were saying the damage done was "minimal".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939630639478956225
 
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India truly suffers from a myopic opposition. In the guise of supporting anti-government statements, they have indeed picked up quotes from Pakistani newspapers and media houses. They amplified certain statements that may also be half-truths. Sad state of affairs that some get taken for a ride. I do not agree with the language but this chap summarized it:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939396859849855173
 
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India truly suffers from a myopic opposition. In the guise of supporting anti-government statements, they have indeed picked up quotes from Pakistani newspapers and media houses. They amplified certain statements that may also be half-truths. Sad state of affairs that some get taken for a ride. I do not agree with the language but this chap summarized it:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939396859849855173
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Are we still bean counting planes ? We deserve the Baniya tag ... sigh

Fact - GOI told IAF to not run SEAD / Air Superiority missions since "We are not hitting Pak only Terror" BS. IAF complied and took hits from PAF when they responded. IAF changed course day 2 and plastered Pak.

Fact - GOI is now saying we will consider Pak/Terror as one going forward, so next time the game will be even more brutal.

BJP did the same thing in Kargil - forces were not allowed to go over the LoC and gain tactical advantage because it was felt the diplomatic fallout would be adverse. IA worked around the limitation and prevailed (at a higher cost). IAF did the same.

The good thing is this will be a non issue in the next round.
 
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Jaymax said:
Are we still bean counting planes ? We deserve the Baniya tag ... sigh

Fact - GOI told IAF to not run SEAD / Air Superiority missions since "We are not hitting Pak only Terror" BS. IAF complied and took hits from PAF when they responded. IAF changed course day 2 and plastered Pak.

Fact - GOI is now saying we will consider Pak/Terror as one going forward, so next time the game will be even more brutal.

BJP did the same thing in Kargil - forces were not allowed to go over the LoC and gain tactical advantage because it was felt the diplomatic fallout would be adverse. IA worked around the limitation and prevailed (at a higher cost). IAF did the same.

The good thing is this will be a non issue in the next round.
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Sadly we still are. It seems there certain interests that refuse to let the issue die out naturally....you can guess which these are. However, I must say, India has abysmal info. war capability. MoD and MEA people giving comments are not PR trained. Gaffes need to be stopped. Either disclose operation details or stop talking about tactics/constraints.
 
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Shan said:
Unnecessary hype and engagement farming being done. There are no certain indications that there will be strikes based on infiltration bids along the LOC. The BSF/Army and relevant organisations are already responding.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939693823275512164
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🔵 ✅ is the problem.... Remove it & most of the problems regarding fake news peddling will be solved.... Same need to happen for YouTube.
 
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Shan said:
Sadly we still are. It seems there certain interests that refuse to let the issue die out naturally....you can guess which these are. However, I must say, India has abysmal info. war capability. MoD and MEA people giving comments are not PR trained. Gaffes need to be stopped. Either disclose operation details or stop talking about tactics/constraints.
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This is a problem that needs a top to bottom change in approach.

We peddle systems as silver bullets for political mileage - turn national security discourse into a joke for political points

Rafale was pitched as a Superman+Thor+Iron Man combo which would smite our enemies to dust. Now we might have lost a plane (not sure which one) and it causes all those over the top claims into question.

Our media does not help either. 24*7 channels facing shortage of content run the craziest programs with absurd claims. All of which are lapped by the public that now confuses news with entertainment.

Take an example - the over the top coverage of the B-2 a few weeks back now has the population believing that US has planes that go invisible (actually invisible) when you press a button.
 
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Jaymax said:
This is a problem that needs a top to bottom change in approach.

We peddle systems as silver bullets for political mileage - turn national security discourse into a joke for political points

Rafale was pitched as a Superman+Thor+Iron Man combo which would smite our enemies to dust. Now we might have lost a plane (not sure which one) and it causes all those over the top claims into question.

Our media does not help either. 24*7 channels facing shortage of content run the craziest programs with absurd claims. All of which are lapped by the public that now confuses news with entertainment.

Take an example - the over the top coverage of the B-2 a few weeks back now has the population believing that US has planes that go invisible (actually invisible) when you press a button.
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Every asset in warfare is only an asset. It is disposable and can be destroyed by the enemy. People seem less worried about Indians who live in border states than face saving. Loony defence analysts who peddle conspiracy theories about weapon capabilities are also a major issue.

At the end of the day, Indians do not learn from previous wars. Losses are part of any conflict. Get over yourselves. You're human and you're military also consists of fellow humans. Talk is cheap and action speaks louder. I laud the present government for at least having the guts to attack.
 
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Shan said:
Unnecessary hype and engagement farming being done. There are no certain indications that there will be strikes based on infiltration bids along the LOC. The BSF/Army and relevant organisations are already responding.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939693823275512164
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I will wait a few days before jumping to -any conclusions. There are few interesting flights being tracked, I had posted about one a some time back.

Also, based on the track record of @Hellfire, keep an eye on his handle.

Quick question to folks here: Is he not active here any more?
 
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Defc0n said:
I will wait a few days before jumping to -any conclusions. There are few interesting flights being tracked, I had posted about one a some time back.
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"no certain indications that there will be strikes based on infiltration bids"

My take is based on these infiltration bids along LOC. Not on any other parameters or variable/developments.
 
Shan said:
"no certain indications that there will be strikes based on infiltration bids"

My take is based on these infiltration bids along LOC. Not on any other parameters or variable/developments.
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Yeah, I understand. Only thing is, if these f#ckers are persistent enough, there will be some incident sooner or later. If Munir’s yesterday’s speech is any indication (along with the persistent Notam), he is plotting revenge. Based on what I am reading from different sources (both credible and osints), Pak army is genuinely unhappy with Munir and also the drubbing that Pak got during Op Sindoor — they are out for his blood. So, he has to consolidate his position by hook or by crook and what better way to do it than making India bleed (remember Musharaf) ?

There is also the pain of IWT which they have been harping on since last two months!
 
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Shan said:
"no certain indications that there will be strikes based on infiltration bids"

My take is based on these infiltration bids along LOC. Not on any other parameters or variable/developments.
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Fire missions on launch pads happen on recommendation of local commanders, intel.

We hear about them as Ceasefire violations, Artillery duels. Sindoor was about deep strikes and escalations.

As per pattern they will occur anytime there is a terror strike.
 
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