China’s “String of Pearls” and India's Two Front War Predicament : Analysis

[LX1111]

Bros using AI on me .

India has over 1,000 Brahmos already, to launch a volley of 100 within a very short period of time is not hard. And if you think PLAN can intercept even 25% of them well you're mentally delusional nothing more to say not even the US makes such claims . You people are so unbelievably delusional it will take another thorough beating like the one you got from Japan in 1937 to come to your senses, this time it will be the US Navy which will destroy your hubris like Japan did 80 years ago.

@_Anonymous_ if the chhotte aaks thinks this way we have won half the battle already

This is essentially a war between spear and shield. You are using a spear from the 1970s to attack a shield from the 2020s.
If this model is really useful, what is the significance of China developing the YJ-15 to YJ20 missiles?Wouldn't it be enough to just use YJ-12 missiles in large quantities?

 

[_Anonymous_]

India's main carrier-based aircraft is the MIG29, which can be easily dealt with even by the J15. Recently, Russia also broke the news that the performance of the ZUKE radar was significantly lower than expected.
As for the Rafale fighters, well, these French cheating planes can't even beat the J10C, let alone the 4.5 generation heavy fighter J15T and the 5 generation fighter J35.

What makes you think we'd be deploying our Aircraft Carriers against you . Why do you think we're developing Hyper Sonic Glide Vehicles ( HGV ) , Hypersonic Cruise Missiles ( HCM ) & hybrids like the LRAShM ?

Apart from these there's the Supersonic Missile Assisted Release of Torpedo ( SMART ) a Light Weight Torpedo ( LWT ) for Anti Submarine Warfare ( ASW ) . There are plenty of other Stand Off Weapons we're either developing or possess in our arsenal.

Then there's the Andaman & Nicobar Island Chain ( A&NC ) long described as an unsinkable Aircraft Carrier which extends for around ~ 2000 kms in a North South axis whose southern tip is less than 200 kms from the Aceh province of Indonesia.

Incidentally both India & Indonesia are developing the deep sea water Sabang port in Aceh . The good news is that all shipping from the South China Sea has to pass through this corridor to get into the Indian Ocean .

Another bit of good news is the southern most tip of the A&NC is less than a 1000 kms from the Malacca Straits , another choke point.

Which brings me to an important point . Whom exactly do you think you're dealing with here ? The Philippines or Vietnam or even Taiwan or Japan ? Next to the US , the biggest rival to China in every sphere including the military domain that China'd face is from India.

Do you come here to get a sense of Indian defence or like an elder version of your iron brother , do you come here to exhibit the after effects of opium ?

 

[LX1111]

What makes you think we'd be deploying our Aircraft Carriers against you . Why do you think we're developing Hyper Sonic Glide Vehicles ( HGV ) , Hypersonic Cruise Missiles ( HCM ) & hybrids like the LRAShM ?

Apart from these there's the Supersonic Missile Assisted Release of Torpedo ( SMART ) a Light Weight Torpedo ( LWT ) for Anti Submarine Warfare ( ASW ) . There are plenty of other Stand Off Weapons we're either developing or possess in our arsenal.

OK, let's make this a reality first, not just a PPT at an air show.You can't compare weapons that are only models with weapons that the PLA has already put into large-scale service.

Another bit of good news is the southern most tip of the A&NC is less than a 1000 kms from the Malacca Straits , another choke point.

Which brings me to an important point . Whom exactly do you think you're dealing with here ? The Philippines or Vietnam or even Taiwan or Japan ? Next to the US , the biggest rival to China in every sphere including the military domain that China'd face is from India.

Do you come here to get a sense of Indian defence or like an elder version of your iron brother , do you come here to exhibit the after effects of opium ?

I have made it clear at the beginning that it is difficult for China to send a large fleet to the Indian Ocean at this stage. In the future, it may need to establish a large naval base in East Africa, Myanmar, Iran and Pakistan.
At this stage, anti-blockade operations can only be carried out in the Strait of Malacca and Sunda Strait

 

[Arctic Wolf]

OK, let's make this a reality first, not just a PPT at an air show.

Well, as per the DRDO, the LR-AshM is "in production". The exact interpretation of that might vary.

 

[LX1111]

Which brings me to an important point . Whom exactly do you think you're dealing with here ? The Philippines or Vietnam or even Taiwan or Japan ? Next to the US , the biggest rival to China in every sphere including the military domain that China'd face is from India.

Do you come here to get a sense of Indian defence or like an elder version of your iron brother , do you come here to exhibit the after effects of opium ?

In terms of nuclear weapons, this is undoubtedly the case.
In terms of the army, India has the largest scale in the world, but most of its troops are ordinary light infantry. The armored forces are mainly distributed in the India-Pakistan border for confrontation, and they do not pose a great threat to China.
In terms of navy and air force, Japan, even South Korea and Taiwan, pose a greater threat to China than India.

 

[RationalGuy]

Strange, if I split my reply into two parts will I be considered AI?
Moreover, the Soviet Union used a large number of supersonic anti-ship missiles to penetrate the aircraft carrier air defense network at low altitude in the 1970s. The Americans responded with two main methods:
1. F14A intercepted Soviet missiles and bombers;
2. Developed the Aegis system.
3.With the progress of the new era, the United States has also begun to use CEC capabilities to guide SM-3/6 to intercept supersonic targets at ultra-long distances.
China has all these capabilities and does them better

Literally no rational navy says they can intercept even 50 fast moving supersonic targets. Not even USN and it has never been demonstrated before. But of course for the galaxy ultra power China with its Kung fu missiles can karate chop even ultrasonic missiles right? And this is all assuming india isn't attempting to jam/clutter your radars with EW and spoofing, a capability which has gotten to an extent even your comrades admit it's potency against your beloved PL15 missile.

https://****/pl-15es-silent-surrend...stery-in-intact-missile-recovery/#more-388493

Can't even handle Indian drones but thinks it can handle a volley of Brahmos . BTW I wonder how you will cope wtr to LRh

OK, let's make this a reality first, not just a PPT at an air show.You can't compare weapons that are only models with weapons that the PLA has already put into large-scale service.

I have made it clear at the beginning that it is difficult for China to send a large fleet to the Indian Ocean at this stage. In the future, it may need to establish a large naval base in East Africa, Myanmar, Iran and Pakistan.
At this stage, anti-blockade operations can only be carried out in the Strait of Malacca and Sunda Strait

LRHASM and SMART already a reality for some time but I guess your tiny little chink eyes missed out.

LRHASM HGV


SMART anti submarine missile.

In terms of nuclear weapons, this is undoubtedly the case.
In terms of the army, India has the largest scale in the world, but most of its troops are ordinary light infantry. The armored forces are mainly distributed in the India-Pakistan border for confrontation, and they do not pose a great threat to China.
In terms of navy and air force, Japan, even South Korea and Taiwan, pose a greater threat to China than India.

Indian Navy can literally turn IOR into a graveyard for Chinese ships and there's very little PLAN can do about it. But admittedly that's due to our geography mainly.

 

[lmaoxd]

Literally no rational navy says they can intercept even 50 fast moving supersonic targets. Not even USN and it has never been demonstrated before. But of course for the galaxy ultra power China with its Kung fu missiles can karate chop even ultrasonic missiles right? And this is all assuming india isn't attempting to jam/clutter your radars with EW and spoofing, a capability which has gotten to an extent even your comrades admit it's potency against your beloved PL15 missile.

https://****/pl-15es-silent-surrend...stery-in-intact-missile-recovery/#more-388493

Can't even handle Indian drones but thinks it can handle a volley of Brahmos . BTW I wonder how you will cope wtr to LRh

LRHASM and SMART already a reality for some time but I guess your tiny little chink eyes missed out.
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LRHASM HGV

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SMART anti submarine missile.

Indian Navy can literally turn IOR into a graveyard for Chinese ships and there's very little PLAN can do about it. But admittedly that's due to our geography mainly.

you can argue normally, no need for any racism whatsoever

 

[LX1111]

Literally no rational navy says they can intercept even 50 fast moving supersonic targets. Not even USN and it has never been demonstrated before. But of course for the galaxy ultra power China with its Kung fu missiles can karate chop even ultrasonic missiles right?

Believe it or not, the United States has been studying how to defend against large numbers of sea-skimming hypersonic missiles since the 1970s, and now has a mature and complete solution to deal with this situation.

And this is all assuming india isn't attempting to jam/clutter your radars with EW and spoofing, a capability which has gotten to an extent even your comrades admit it's potency against your beloved PL15 missile.

https://****/pl-15es-silent-surrend...stery-in-intact-missile-recovery/#more-388493
Can't even handle Indian drones but thinks it can handle a volley of Brahmos . BTW I wonder how you will cope wtr to LRh

As for how India interfered with the PL-15 missile, there is no credible objective evidence so far, only some fanatical Indian self-media bragging there.
At the same time, the link you provided cannot be opened

 

[LX1111]

LRHASM and SMART already a reality for some time but I guess your tiny little chink eyes missed out

1.LRHASM We have already discussed this missile, and I still hold this view. Unless there is an objective paper proving that its lift-to-drag ratio can reach or exceed that of a twin-cone missile, I do not think its threat can exceed that of the DF-15B and DF-16.
2.SMART This weapon is simply a 324mm torpedo mounted on a rocket, which is superfluous. If an aircraft or frigate discovers a submarine, they can use the torpedoes they carry to attack it without having to launch torpedoes from distant land.

 

[_Anonymous_]

OK, let's make this a reality first, not just a PPT at an air show.You can't compare weapons that are only models with weapons that the PLA has already put into large-scale service.

When is the PLAN expected to come down into the IOR in full strength ? Those systems will be in place to welcome PLAN at that point in time.

I have made it clear at the beginning that it is difficult for China to send a large fleet to the Indian Ocean at this stage.

Why's that so ? Out of the goodness of their heart ? Besides weren't you arguing a few posts ago PLAN deployed a few frigates destroyers & submarines in the IOR ? What were they for ? Sight seeing tours ?

In the future, it may need to establish a large naval base in East Africa, Myanmar, Iran and Pakistan.

Not going to happen. There's US , French , Italian & Japanese presence in Djibouti .The US won't allow the Chinese to set up bases in East Africa or Iran .

India won't allow the Tatmadaw to permit the Chinese to set up bases in Myanmar or Bangladesh . What do you think the recent coup against Shaikh Haseena Wajed was all about ?

As far as your as close as lips to teeth , higher than the mountains , sweeter than honey relationship with your iron brother Paxtan is concerned , presently they're sitting in Trump's lap & your multi billion dollar investment in CPEC / BRI in Paxtan has gone down the gutter.

I've said this before . For all the strategic treatises available to the Chinese since millenia authored by the likes of Sun Tzu , Zhuge Liang etc the CCP are a bunch of village idiots.

They just haven't built up the kind of alliance systems that the US has & the latter is still the sole suoer power of the world . That's how the US has built & sustained its hegemony around the world.

And the US as a nation isn't even 500 years old whereas the CCP goes about boasting it's a 5000 year old civilization . What has the latter learnt from its 5000 year old culture ? Not much going by the way it's conducting it's affairs.

At this stage, anti-blockade operations can only be carried out in the Strait of Malacca and Sunda Strait

Why ? After the PLAN deploy a 6-8 AC fleet what're you going to do ? Fly over the Malacca Lombok & Sunda Straits ?

 

[_Anonymous_]

In terms of nuclear weapons, this is undoubtedly the case.
In terms of the army, India has the largest scale in the world, but most of its troops are ordinary light infantry. The armored forces are mainly distributed in the India-Pakistan border for confrontation, and they do not pose a great threat to China.

So let me get this right. The Indian Army is mostly ordinary light infantry yet in 2020 according to you it was the Indian Army which attacked China .

Have you studied the terrain across the LAC ? What scope for armoured forces do you see there ?

Meanwhile the mighty PLA has seen a change of 3 commanders in the Western Theatre Command ( WTC) within a few months since the Galwan clashes .

Google Search

This is how the mighty PLA is faring in the high altitude regions of Xinjiang & Tibet .

Chinese soldiers given tips on how to prevent altitude sickness

Whereas the IA has been regularly deploying some it's most elite units in Siachen often called the highest battlefield in the world thanks to your iron brother's shenanigans since the past 4 decades.

In fact serving in Siachen is considered a badge of honour & mandatory if one wants to be part of mountain warfare & the Mountain Strike Corps ( MSC) apart from the various Mountain Divisions we've set up .

I've commented on this phenomenon before plenty of times. The ordinary Wumao pre Wuhan Virus Pandemic one encountered online used to be much more aware & intelligent compared to the Low IQ Wumaos online today.

How much of it is due to the after effects of opium over generations , malnourishment due to the various famines especially the 5 Pests Campaign & Great Leap Forward where cannibalism & eating any thing that walked crawled & flew was widely prevalent , the latter habit having persisted once normalcy was restored & directly responsible for events like the Wuhan Virus Pandemic , is a subject for multiple studies.

Then again it could be because the only in name communists but in practice fully capitalists have not hiked the per post payment since more than 2 decades thereby bringing down the quality of propagandists employed by the MSS . It's still 50 cents per post reflected in the quality of posts here there & every where.

In terms of navy and air force, Japan, even South Korea and Taiwan, pose a greater threat to China than India.

I'd like to see your Navy & Air Force take all that land you claim across the LAC.

 

[LX1111]

So let me get this right. The Indian Army is mostly ordinary light infantry yet in 2020 according to you it was the Indian Army which attacked China .

Have you studied the terrain across the LAC ? What scope for armoured forces do you see there ?

Whereas the IA has been regularly deploying some it's most elite units in Siachen often called the highest battlefield in the world thanks to your iron brother's shenanigans since the past 4 decades.

In fact serving in Siachen is considered a badge of honour & mandatory if one wants to be part of mountain warfare & the Mountain Strike Corps ( MSC) apart from the various Mountain Divisions we've set up .

I've commented on this phenomenon before plenty of times. The ordinary Wumao pre Wuhan Virus Pandemic one encountered online used to be much more aware & intelligent compared to the Low IQ Wumaos online today.

At least all of India’s military exercises on the border since 2020 have been armored assaults based on T90 and BMP2, with some airborne special forces and AH-64 providing air support.
In all exercises of the Indian Army, infantry units basically do not undertake offensive tasks. Most exercises conducted by Indian infantry units are defensive operations using fortifications in mountainous areas..

 

[LX1111]

Meanwhile the mighty PLA has seen a change of 3 commanders in the Western Theatre Command ( WTC) within a few months since the Galwan clashes .

Google Search

This is how the mighty PLA is faring in the high altitude regions of Xinjiang & Tibet .

Chinese soldiers given tips on how to prevent altitude sickness

These news remind me of India's announcement in 2020 that the Rafale fighter jet can defeat the J20's quantitative advantage by virtue of its quality advantage.
These are all the same news that the Indian media has exaggerated in order to cater to Indian populism.

Why's that so ? Out of the goodness of their heart ? Besides weren't you arguing a few posts ago PLAN deployed a few frigates destroyers & submarines in the IOR ? What were they for ? Sight seeing tours ?

It is very simple. Let our fleet become familiar with the hydrological environment of the Indian Ocean, conduct military exchanges with potential allies in the region, cultivate the Chinese Navy's ocean-going combat capability and supply capability, and prepare for subsequent large-scale deployment in the Indian Ocean.

 

[_Anonymous_]

At least all of India’s military exercises on the border since 2020 have been armored assaults based on T90 and BMP2, with some airborne special forces and AH-64 providing air support.

That's in Ladakh that too only in parts of it which allows for deployment of tanks. Are you even aware there are 3 sectors of the LAC as classified by the IA ? The western sector which comprises of Ladakh , the Central Sector which comprises of the states of Himachal Pradesh & Uttarakhand & the eastern sector which comprises of the states of Sikkim & Arunachal Pradesh which also contains Tawang the birth place of the 5th Dalai Lama whom the Han Chinese slaves & their CCP masters revere , the reason the CCP covets Tawang.

Except for Ladakh that too in certain parts only which allows for deployment of tanks it's all mountainous terrain. Why don't you read up more instead of exhibiting your ignorance here & compounding it by defending your ignorance.

It has nothing to do with India's large number of infantry units. Most of the exercises conducted by India's mountain troops are defensive operations using fortifications in mountainous areas.

Well what would you prefer ? The IA conducts offensive exercises by entering Tibet ?

 

[LX1111]

Not going to happen. There's US , French , Italian & Japanese presence in Djibouti .The US won't allow the Chinese to set up bases in East Africa or Iran .

India won't allow the Tatmadaw to permit the Chinese to set up bases in Myanmar or Bangladesh . What do you think the recent coup against Shaikh Haseena Wajed was all about ?

As far as your as close as lips to teeth , higher than the mountains , sweeter than honey relationship with your iron brother Paxtan is concerned , presently they're sitting in Trump's lap & your multi billion dollar investment in CPEC / BRI in Paxtan has gone down the gutter.

I've said this before . For all the strategic treatises available to the Chinese since millenia authored by the likes of Sun Tzu , Zhuge Liang etc the CCP are a bunch of village idiots.

They just haven't built up the kind of alliance systems that the US has & the latter is still the sole suoer power of the world . That's how the US has built & sustained its hegemony around the world.

And the US as a nation isn't even 500 years old whereas the CCP goes about boasting it's a 5000 year old civilization . What has the latter learnt from its 5000 year old culture ? Not much going by the way it's conducting it's affairs.

I can't extract any useful information from your long paragraph, which is basically just a troll's roar. The only question is where will China build its Indian Ocean naval base? In my mind, the best places are Indonesia or Iran. Naval bases need some primary industries to provide supplies, and these two countries meet the requirements. Of course, this still needs to wait for further changes in the international situation.

 

[_Anonymous_]

These news remind me of India's announcement in 2020 that the Rafale fighter jet can defeat the J20's quantitative advantage by virtue of its quality advantage.

Please submit the J-20 for technical evaluation by the IAF . They'd have a look at it & let the world know how good it is.

These are all the same news that the Indian media has exaggerated in order to cater to Indian populism.

Yes & the CCP & it's Han slaves are so confident in their systems & abilities that all western social media platforms including Google Twitter etc are banned & you've to log in here using a VPN.

It is very simple. Let our fleet become familiar with the hydrological environment of the Indian Ocean, conduct military exchanges with potential allies in the region, cultivate the Chinese Navy's ocean-going combat capability and supply capability, and prepare for subsequent large-scale deployment in the Indian Ocean.

And in all this time I suppose you think the IN will be sitting on its backside after scratching it , don't you ?

 

[LX1111]

That's in Ladakh that too only in parts of it which allows for deployment of tanks. Are you even aware there are 3 sectors of the LAC as classified by the IA ? The western sector which comprises of Ladakh , the Central Sector which comprises of the states of Himachal Pradesh & Uttarakhand & the eastern sector which comprises of the states of Sikkim & Arunachal Pradesh which also contains Tawang the birth place of the 5th Dalai Lama whom the Han Chinese slaves & their CCP masters revere , the reason the CCP covets Tawang.

Except for Ladakh that too in certain parts only which allows for deployment of tanks it's all mountainous terrain. Why don't you read up more instead of exhibiting your ignorance here & compounding it by defending your ignorance.

Well what would you prefer ? The IA conducts offensive exercises by entering Tibet ?

Instead of posting so many trolls here, why not look for military exercises of India's various mountain troops? India is conducting mountain offensive operations with the T-90 and BMP-2. There are many such videos. But there are basically no videos of Indian infantry on foot attacking enemy high ground.
Moreover, India emphasizes the use of airdrops and helicopters for combat, and emphasizes the role of the AH64 helicopter.
So the ideas of most Indians on this forum are wrong

 

[_Anonymous_]

I can't extract any useful information from your long paragraph, which is basically just a troll's roar.

And all I can discern in your posts is plenty of low IQ content as well as smug superiority.

The only question is where will China build its Indian Ocean naval base?

Is it ? You mean all you've to do is pick & choose & whichever country it is you choose to have a base in & they will welcome you with tears of gratitude in their eyes .

In my mind, the best places are Indonesia or Iran.

How come we don't see any thing in the media then or even any activities on the ground in those countries ? Besides aren't you aware China claims parts of the Natuna Sea which is in Indonesian territorial waters. You seriously think the Indonesians are going to offer you a base ?

Naval bases need some primary industries to provide supplies, and these two countries meet the requirements. Of course, this still needs to wait for further changes in the international situation.

We're awaiting such a development with bated breath.

 

[LX1111]

Please submit the J-20 for technical evaluation by the IAF . They'd have a look at it & let the world know how good it is.

Yes & the CCP & it's Han slaves are so confident in their systems & abilities that all western social media platforms including Google Twitter etc are banned & you've to log in here using a VPN.

And in all this time I suppose you think the IN will be sitting on its backside after scratching it , don't you ?

I think all the discussion about Rafale is over.

And all I can discern in your posts is plenty of low IQ content as well as smug superiority.

Is it ? You mean all you've to do is pick & choose & whichever country it is you choose to have a base in will welcome you with tears of gratitude in their eyes .


How come we don't see any thing in the media then or even any activities on the ground in those countries ? Besides aren't you aware China claims parts of the Natuna Sea which is in Indonesian territorial waters. You seriously think the Indonesians are going to offer you a base ?

We're awaiting such a development with bated breath.

I don't know how to respond, you're just trying to win an argument.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Instead of posting so many trolls here, why not look for military exercises of India's various mountain troops? India is conducting mountain offensive operations with the T-90 and BMP-2. There are many such videos. But there are basically no videos of Indian infantry on foot attacking enemy high ground.
Moreover, India emphasizes the use of airdrops and helicopters for combat, and emphasizes the role of the AH64 helicopter.

Are you telling us what our country's army is practising in their exercises ? Did it occur to you that you know only what the IA chooses to release in the press vis a vis their exercises ?

So the ideas of most Indians on this forum are wrong

I think someone as intelligent as you are should not waste his time out here. Time to relocate to Sino Defence Forum or your iron brother Paxtan Defence Forum.

I think all the discussion about Rafale is over.

Yup & the discussions on the J-10 has just begun.

I don't know how to respond, you're just trying to win an argument.

What are you doing ? Trying to post facts here ?