Putin to offer India mega undersea boost

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is to visit India in September 2025 for the annual India-Russia high-level summit. Part of his defence agenda includes offers of submarines, both conventional and nuclear, and long range cruise missiles.

Sources told Chakra News that Russia is offering the lease and transfer of a second Akula class nuclear powered attack submarine, at least six refurbished Kilo class submarines and 1500-km Kalibr cruise missiles.

These proposals come at a time when India’s undersea fleet is facing a ‘block obsolescence’ crisis— two-thirds of its conventional submarines rapidly acquired in the 1980s are fast approaching the end of their lives. Their replacements are not due until the mid-2030s. Meanwhile, rivals Pakistan and China are boosting their underwater fleets. This year Pakistan will take the delivery of its first of eight new Chinese-built 039B Yuan class conventional submarines. China has launched the largest submarine building programme post the Cold War, adding between four and six nuclear powered submarines to its fleet each year.

Seven of India’s existing fleet of 17 conventional submarines are the Russian-built Kilo class. Russia has in the past offered to refurbish and sell older Kilo class submarines and to lease a second Akula class nuclear powered attack submarine. That these offers will be raised at the inter-governmental level suggest Moscow is keen on shoring up its influence in the Indian defence market.

Russia has been India’s topmost defence equipment supplier for five decades. Over 60 % of India’s defence inventory comprises of Russian-origin hardware including T-72 and T-90 tanks, Kilo class submarines and Su-30MKI fighter jets. Both countries jointly produce the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile which India used to devastating effect against Pakistani airbases during Operation Sindoor on May 10, 2025. In recent years, Russian defence supplies to India have been under pressure for multiple reasons. These include competition from the US as a major Indian arms supplier— Washington has supplied over $20 billion in helicopters, drones, transport aircraft and long range patrol aircraft to India. Other significant reasons include India’s drive to reduce defence imports and build its own defence equipment.

This will be President Putin’s first visit to India since the start of the Russia-Ukraine war in February 2022. Last July 2024, Prime Minister Modi traveled to Moscow for the 22nd annual Russia-India dialogue, the first high-profile bilateral visit in his third term.

Moscow’s strategy with New Delhi ahead of the 23rd dialogue seems to be to double down on areas where the US cannot compete— nuclear and conventional submarines— and niche capabilities like the S-500 and Kalibr. The US has never transferred or sold its nuclear powered attack submarines and sells the 1500-km Tomahawk cruise missile only to its closest ally the UK.

The 1500-km range Kalibr land attack cruise missile offer is significant because Russia in the past has refused to sell the long range versions of the missile. The Chakra III, a nuclear powered attack submarine India contracted under a $3 billion lease in 2021, was to be equipped with only 500 km-rang versions of the missiles. Russia will offer to upgrade India’s fleet of Kilo class submarines with the capability to fire missiles from all six torpedo tubes. The present Indian fleet can fire missiles from only two of the six torpedo tubes.

Russia is proposing the sale of six refurbished ex-Russian Navy Kilo class submarines. All units can be upgraded and delivered within six years of contract signing at the rate of one each year. These submarines will be a stop-gap until the induction of the first Project 75I conventional submarines beginning in the mid-2030s.

India has shortlisted a consortium comprising Mazagon Docks Ltd and Germany’s Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) to supply these six conventional submarines for Rs 43,000 crore.

The lease of a second Akula class nuclear powered attack submarine from the Russian Navy’s fleet will complement the INS Chakra III which the Indian Navy is acquiring under a ten-year $3 billion lease beginning 2028. The Akula class is a nuclear powered attack submarine, capable of staying underwater almost indefinitely as it is powered by a nuclear reactor but carries only conventional weapons. The ‘III’ indicates it is the third such unit to be leased to India, a unique arrangement begun since the days of the Soviet Union.

The lease of the second Akula, if taken up by India, will stop-gap a capability void pending the induction of the first of a fleet of six Project 77 indigenous nuclear powered attack submarines which India plans to induct by the late 2030s.

 
Waiting for @Rajput Lion to claim he actually advised Putin to offer all these.

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Russia's restarted production of an updated Kilo variant with better sensors and longer endurance. If anything they'd pitch those new boats to us. An upgrade package would only be worth a fraction of the $300m cost of a new Kilo. More money to be made.
Kalibr is a direct competitor to SLCM which is in an advanced stage of integration on IN boats.
 
Lol. Not a single Akula as of today is in a condition where it can be delivered to Indian Navy by this decade end. And he's offering 2nd one...

One Akula is already being modernized for India, delivery will happen by 2027. They are modernizing the Magadan for that.

What news reports talked about was the third Akula, they are unable to find a functional hull. We were supposed to sign the third sub deal by now for induction in the 2030s.
 
Russia's restarted production of an updated Kilo variant with better sensors and longer endurance. If anything they'd pitch those new boats to us. An upgrade package would only be worth a fraction of the $300m cost of a new Kilo. More money to be made.
Kalibr is a direct competitor to SLCM which is in an advanced stage of integration on IN boats.

Their original 6 Kilo offer is basically 3 of their own and 3 of ours, all refitted. Not sure if they are referring to the same deal.
 
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Russia's restarted production of an updated Kilo variant with better sensors and longer endurance. If anything they'd pitch those new boats to us. An upgrade package would only be worth a fraction of the $300m cost of a new Kilo. More money to be made.
Kalibr is a direct competitor to SLCM which is in an advanced stage of integration on IN boats.
Same old offer being rehashed time & again. We need tech from the Yasen & Borei class of submarines , Hypersonic tech , etc not day before yesterday's technology.

There's only one member here arguing for more Kilo class submarines up until recently also arguing the Scorpenes were obsolete & it wasn't @Ankit Kumar
 
Same old offer being rehashed time & again. We need tech from the Yasen & Borei class of submarines , Hypersonic tech , etc not day before yesterday's technology.

There's only one member here arguing for more Kilo class submarines up until recently also arguing the Scorpenes were obsolete & it wasn't @Ankit Kumar
As the article states, Russia is making a desperate attempt to claw back its declining share of India's arms market. Personally, I don't see any room for more Kilos, now that Kalvari B2 is close to signing and TKMS has been downselected as P-75I winner.

As long as Russia remains embroiled in Ukraine, I don't think they could deliver even refurbished boats quickly enough to make a difference. The INs focus would likely shift to P-76 next.

Russia is merely positioning Kilo as a gap-filler (with ER Kalibr as a sweetener) because it knows it cannot compete with the latest Western designs, especially after the Lada class turned out to be a cropper.
 
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As the article states, Russia is making a desperate attempt to claw back its declining share of India's arms market. Personally, I don't see any room for more Kilos, now that Kalvari B2 is close to signing and TKMS has been downselected as P-75I winner.

As long as Russia remains embroiled in Ukraine, I don't think they could deliver even refurbished boats quickly enough to make a difference. The INs focus would likely shift to P-76 next.

Russia is merely positioning Kilo as a gap-filler (with ER Kalibr as a sweetener) because it knows it cannot compete with the latest Western designs, especially after the Lada class turned out to be a cropper.

It's logic which is missing in both US and Russia trying to push arms exports to India.

Russia instead of trying to push for the aforementioned items, if it gave a reasonable price offer on Ka31s and allowed us to maybe integrate our mission computers, etc on those platforms, Navy would be very interested. That's something for which we do not have any alternative.

Similarly if it actually first completed the deliveries of remaining S400, it might actually get a follow on order.

If they can actually find 2 Akula hulls worth refitting, that's something we can find use of.

Cheaper VVER reactors are something which we would definitely be interested in.

Americans are more bigger idiots. At the end if they offer a favourable deal on P8I, additional Chinooks and MH60Rs, they are more likely to make money, instead of pushing the failures like Stryker and useless Javelins.
 
Americans are more bigger idiots. At the end if they offer a favourable deal on P8I, additional Chinooks and MH60Rs, they are more likely to make money, instead of pushing the failures like Stryker and useless Javelins.
A deal for 6 more P-8I is reportedly close to finalization. That along with 31 MQ-9s and 6 C-295 MPA should see us through the next two decades. We certainly need all the MH-60Rs we can get though.

Afaik, the IAF is not too happy with the high opex of the Chinooks. They plan to use IMRH as a substitute. The Stryker and Javelin continue to be pushed by the new Trump admin. It was first offered during the Biden-era. Hope GoI doesn't bite the bullet on that one.
 
Let's not worry about international law, Modi and Putin can have a good fiest and celebration
"On 17 March 2023, following an investigation of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin, the president of Russia, and Maria Lvova-Belova, Russian commissioner for children's rights"
 
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Let's not worry about international law, Modi and Putin can have a good fiest and celebration
"On 17 March 2023, following an investigation of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin, the president of Russia, and Maria Lvova-Belova, Russian commissioner for children's rights"
Well Bush and Blair should have been issued one for Iraq but that didnt happen. Lol. That means we shouldn't buy US weapons too now?

Oh right I forgot, international law doesn't apply to the Anglo Saxxon cabal 😂.
 
A deal for 6 more P-8I is reportedly close to finalization. That along with 31 MQ-9s and 6 C-295 MPA should see us through the next two decades. We certainly need all the MH-60Rs we can get though.
If we're going in for additional P-8I you can bet we're in for something with the Russians when Putin visits India later this year.

I'm expecting Su-57s with or without ToT for local mfg , more S-400 / S-500 perhaps with local mfg , OTHR like Voronezh , UHF / VHF , Multi Static Radars , EW radars etc with or without the local mfg component along with ToT.
Afaik, the IAF is not too happy with the high opex of the Chinooks. They plan to use IMRH as a substitute. The Stryker and Javelin continue to be pushed by the new Trump admin. It was first offered during the Biden-era. Hope GoI doesn't bite the bullet on that one.

The Stryker failed IA trials in news made public during Operation Sindoor & with so many ATGMs in various stages of development with both the public & pvt sector where does the Javelin fit in ?

Besides the P-8Is were to be inked during Biden's tenure. Their precipitating the Pannu , Nijjar & Adani crises put the entire deal on the back burner. Turned out to be a good thing too.

See our aforementioned purchases from the US as partly our need & partly jizia for the deal we're about to conclude with the Russians.
 
The Stryker failed IA trials in news made public during Operation Sindoor & with so many ATGMs in various stages of development with both the public & pvt sector where does the Javelin fit in ?

Besides the P-8Is were to be inked during Biden's tenure. Their precipitating the Pannu , Nijjar & Adani crises put the entire deal on the back burner. Turned out to be a good thing too.

See our aforementioned purchases from the US as partly our need & partly jizia for the deal we're about to conclude with the Russians.
With incoming Canadian PM Carney making amends on Khalistan et all, Stryker could well be back on the table with an uprated engine and 30mm turret. We'll have to see.

Discussions on the Javelin will likely stall once again on ToT/ITAR issues (particularly its IIR seeker). It lost out last time to the Spike only because Rafael offered ToT and Raytheon could not.

The IN reportedly wanted up to 10 more P-8I but settled for 6 in lieu of MQ-9B.

Oil and defence are two key areas for India to buy influence with the Trump admin.