ADA AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

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TARGET said:
Yes, I agree that the rectangular shape is better for stealth compared to the spherical shape. I don't feel any measure modifications are necessary to contain the IRST and EOTS inside a box. If changes are required, ADA will do the needful.
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AFAIK,RCS depends up on the surface area. But for spherical object,the reflection will be spread towards the radar receiver irrespective of the angle between the wavefront incident Radar. But ,for angled surface reflection will have directional property. Since u have designed the aircraft,you will be know at what angle the radar wave reflect with respect to the scanning Radar.

IRST will definitely increase the overall RCS, in case of F35,the glass panels are almost parallel to F35's fuselage angle. So the reflection contributed from EOTS will also parallel to the F35's fuselage.

It's no brainer, of you are designing AMCA asper the model shown in post#1117 ,then it will be a compromised stealth. And I am damn sure that our electronics cannot negate the effect of compromised stealth,we are not as advanced like French to do what they have done in Rafale.
 
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Lolwa said:
The t-fx will have most probably a higher RCS than amca overall but it will be a more powerful aircraft.
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AMCA looks somewhat like F35, Turkish one looks like F22. Asper expert opinion, the F22 is stealthier than F35. So if both nations succeed in replicating the stealth character from the respective aircraft they tried borrow,then Turkish one will be more stealthier. And you are right,AMCA will be less powerful than TF-X, as later had more powerful engine.
 
Hydra said:
AMCA looks somewhat like F35, Turkish one looks like F22. Asper expert opinion, the F22 is stealthier than F35. So if both nations succeed in replicating the stealth character from the respective aircraft they tried borrow,then Turkish one will be more stealthier. And you are right,AMCA will be less powerful than TF-X, as later had more powerful engine.
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TWR matters not powerful engine.
 
Hydra said:
AMCA looks somewhat like F35, Turkish one looks like F22. Asper expert opinion, the F22 is stealthier than F35. So if both nations succeed in replicating the stealth character from the respective aircraft they tried borrow,then Turkish one will be more stealthier. And you are right,AMCA will be less powerful than TF-X, as later had more powerful engine.
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That would be incorrect.

"The F-35’s cross section is much smaller than the F-22’s"

“The F-35 doesn’t have the altitude, doesn’t have the speed [of the F-22], but it can beat the F-22 in stealth.”
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randomradio said:
I think the AMCA specs are lower than what ADA can actually deliver.
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I believe you are overestimating ADA's ability.

randomradio said:
It's only an F-22++ when it comes to airframe and performance.
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Do ADA really have stealth sorted out? RAM, Coating, Airframe geometry, IR signature reduction, etc.
Also In what Other Area AMCA will exceed F-22 in performance?
 
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Innominate said:
That would be incorrect.

"The F-35’s cross section is much smaller than the F-22’s"

“The F-35 doesn’t have the altitude, doesn’t have the speed [of the F-22], but it can beat the F-22 in stealth.”
breakingdefense.com

Gen. Mike Hostage On The F-35; No Growlers Needed When War Starts - Breaking Defense

For years, the news about the most expensive conventional weapons system in US history, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, has been driven by its soaring costs, technical problems and schedule screw-ups. The government and Congress and the public rarely speak about what the F-35 will do, how...
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Is that from shsoing alone or shaping +EW?
 
Hydra said:
Is that from shsoing alone or shaping +EW?
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Well Hostage said F-35's RCS is "much smaller" and at the time when he said this F-22's Barracuda EW was the best EW in US fighters.

When he says "beat the F-22 in stealth" I take that as EW, tactics and shaping... more of a overall claim.
 
Innominate said:
Well Hostage said F-35's RCS is "much smaller" and at the time when he said this F-22's Barracuda EW was the best EW in US fighters.

When he says "beat the F-22 in stealth" I take that as EW, tactics and shaping... more of a overall claim.
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If F-35 so stealthy per Gen Hostage, why external pylons added it ?

Oops sorry about the baby English there , sweetie. Just returned from teaching a class of austistic dyslexic retards. Part of CSR activities, you see, i.e Corporate Social Responsibility for those not clued into corporate jargon viz people who work 7/11 or those surviving on social security cheques.

Takes some time to switch between getting out of communicating with them in their idiom & communicating in the normal world even if it's with another autistic dyslexic.

On topic, If tactic of USAF is to help camouflage other fighters in a strike mission, let's say a team of 4 Lightnings escorting 4 Eagles ( any iteration), why're external pylons being tested & fitted on to both the Raptors & Lightnings.

After all the USAF has the biggest AF in the world in terms of the sheer nos of fighter aircrafts ( FA) of various generations especially the < 5 Gen, they can throw in without resorting to such modifications on their stealth aircraft.

What gives ? Tacit admission that perhaps stealth whether active or passive is not all weather in all situations or perhaps preparing for the not so distant future where existing stealth measures would be compromised.
 
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lcafanboy said:
Imported Air Force gets the reason for buying foreign stealth fighter F-35 or SU-57 coming soon... 😊
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We will need the f-35 as much people want to deny it. We would need about three squadrons of f-35 to handle both the Chinese and Pakistanis who will get their hands-on the j-35 in the near future.
 
Hydra said:
AMCA looks somewhat like F35, Turkish one looks like F22. Asper expert opinion, the F22 is stealthier than F35. So if both nations succeed in replicating the stealth character from the respective aircraft they tried borrow,then Turkish one will be more stealthier. And you are right,AMCA will be less powerful than TF-X, as later had more powerful engine.
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The f-35 should have lower frontal RCS because of using dsi. The only thing we know for sure is that amca will have a superior subsonic performance and while the t-fx will have a superior supersonic performance due to the design of the intakes. Also the amca is targeted to be vlo while the t-fx is being targeted to be LO by them. The t-fx will most probably.have similar RCS to the j-20 rather than the f-22. The amca will be stealthier than the j-20 but might be less stealthier than the j-35, f-35 and f-22. Realistically.
 
Lingana ji wrote about AMCA engine race today, nothing much that we did not know?

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Packing A Punch: India In Market For New Fighter Jet Engines For 5th-Gen AMCA - Indian Aerospace and Defence Bulletin - News for aerospace and defence in India

"The AMCA contract is hotly contested between the four giants of aviation. P&W and RR seek to increase their foothold, while GE and Safran already enjoy a more significant partnership. With multiple explicit co-development and technology transfer offers with the Ministry of Defence, it is hard...
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So P Bhadoria being project manage & just tested WT model, plus metal cutting already started, do we think it will take 4 years for first flight? Normally it should be 24 months, maybe 30 months. Would love to know which systems we are importing & which are made by our labs/local msme.
 
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marich01 said:
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So P Bhadoria being project manage & just tested WT model, plus metal cutting already started, do we think it will take 4 years for first flight? Normally it should be 24 months, maybe 30 months. Would love to know which systems we are importing & which are made by our labs/local msme.
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If u see Tejas mk2 metal cutting history, it has happened many time over several years.
 
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