After Big S-400 Deal, Russia ‘Wins’ Indian Army VSHORADS Missile Contest

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One of India’s most confounding, meandering and costly weapons contests — seen for months to be hanging by a thread — has finally reached a conclusion that is almost certain to be beset with controversy. A three-way battle to supply the Indian Army with hundreds of very short-range air defence systems (VSHORADS) is at an end with Russia’s Igla-S system being declared ‘lowest bidder’, edging out Sweden’s Saab (with the RBS 70NG) and France’s MBDA (with the Mistral).

The Indian Army has spent nearly two decades trying acquire hundreds of man-portable missile systems that infantry units can use to defend against aircraft, drones and helicopters.

As Livefist reported last month, the contest has seen five years of trials and a spate of letters of protest shot off to the MoD last year and this year by both MBDA and Saab, pointing to what they said were unfair waivers granted to the Russian contender. The Swedish and French competitors plainly alleged that the field of play wasn’t level and that the Russian system, manufactured by Russia’s state-owned Konstruktorskoye Byuro Mashynostroyeniya (KBM), was unfairly favoured by Indian test teams.

Today’s declaration of Russia’s Igla-S as victor in the contest has been expected for weeks. In August, Rosoboronexport chief Alexander Mikheev told Livefist in Moscow, “The Igla-S has emerged more cost effective than competitors after the tenders were opened.”

Army sources say while all three systems have had performance or technical compliance niggles since field evaluations began in 2012, the Russian Igla-S had the most significant issues: firing was deemed not successful during field trials, target acquisition continuously failed, and, to top it all, the Igla-S didn’t have a state-of-the-art sight during trials. With today’s declaration of a Russian win, the Indian MoD has signaled that the issues were either addressed, or waivers granted.

Sources tell Livefist that Russia tried to push the 9K333 Verba system into the contest to replace of the Igla-S principally because of the latter’s performance issues in around 2016. However, replacing a product mid-course under an unusually strict set of targets charted out in the RfP was simply not an option, and would have meant an instant reboot to the contest. Russia was told the Verba couldn’t come anywhere near the race, and the VSHORADS contest would only test the Igla-S.

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After the declaration of a contest winner — the lowest bidder or L1 — procedure dictates that a contract negotiating committee (CNC) will process the deal onwards, before it is finally cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for final signatures between India and Russia. But given the bad blood in the contest so far, it remains to be seen how soon today’s win translates into a full contract with Russia. The last 18 months, especially, have been tumultuous to say the least.

For starters, the only system that needed to engage in any firing during the final re-confirmatory trials last year was Saab’s RBS 70NG. While the Russian team has been asked to demonstrate the crucial act of target acquisition, the French team were on site as observers. Each one of the contenders has had compliance issues, though Russia’s refusal to even appear for certain trial rounds during the contest had the other two competitors send up periodic flares. Again, it remains to be seen how these were addressed — or if they were at all. Livefist has learnt that messages of protest had been conveyed as recently as weeks ago.

The systems themselves, to be supplied in small numbers by the foreign supplier, with most of the rest to be built under license in India, are variants of the baseline shoulder-launched missile systems that each offers. Each system, manned by two Army personnel, feature a twin launcher system capable of tracking, engaging and firing at air threats including aircraft, helicopters and drones. The Indian Army needs the large numbers of VSHORADS systems to plug long amplified gaps in its ground-based air defence network.

Amidst reports in 2015 that the contest was about to be scrapped and rebooted, the MoD decided to conduct more trial rounds, a final round held last year. The contest has taken over five years in its second attempt, though the overall requirement actually dates back to 1999 (aborted for the first time in 2005), making the VSHORADS go down as a record in India’s contracting history for length.

Last month, India signed a $5.2 billion deal with Russia for S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems, a deal that should, in normal course, have attracted punitive U.S. sanctions under CAATSA regulations, though India was accorded a waiver. It remains unclear what the path ahead for this deal will be.
 
One of India’s most confounding, meandering and costly weapons contests — seen for months to be hanging by a thread — has finally reached a conclusion that is almost certain to be beset with controversy. A three-way battle to supply the Indian Army with hundreds of very short-range air defence systems (VSHORADS) is at an end with Russia’s Igla-S system being declared ‘lowest bidder’, edging out Sweden’s Saab (with the RBS 70NG) and France’s MBDA (with the Mistral).

The Indian Army has spent nearly two decades trying acquire hundreds of man-portable missile systems that infantry units can use to defend against aircraft, drones and helicopters.

As Livefist reported last month, the contest has seen five years of trials and a spate of letters of protest shot off to the MoD last year and this year by both MBDA and Saab, pointing to what they said were unfair waivers granted to the Russian contender. The Swedish and French competitors plainly alleged that the field of play wasn’t level and that the Russian system, manufactured by Russia’s state-owned Konstruktorskoye Byuro Mashynostroyeniya (KBM), was unfairly favoured by Indian test teams.

Today’s declaration of Russia’s Igla-S as victor in the contest has been expected for weeks. In August, Rosoboronexport chief Alexander Mikheev told Livefist in Moscow, “The Igla-S has emerged more cost effective than competitors after the tenders were opened.”

Army sources say while all three systems have had performance or technical compliance niggles since field evaluations began in 2012, the Russian Igla-S had the most significant issues: firing was deemed not successful during field trials, target acquisition continuously failed, and, to top it all, the Igla-S didn’t have a state-of-the-art sight during trials. With today’s declaration of a Russian win, the Indian MoD has signaled that the issues were either addressed, or waivers granted.

Sources tell Livefist that Russia tried to push the 9K333 Verba system into the contest to replace of the Igla-S principally because of the latter’s performance issues in around 2016. However, replacing a product mid-course under an unusually strict set of targets charted out in the RfP was simply not an option, and would have meant an instant reboot to the contest. Russia was told the Verba couldn’t come anywhere near the race, and the VSHORADS contest would only test the Igla-S.

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After the declaration of a contest winner — the lowest bidder or L1 — procedure dictates that a contract negotiating committee (CNC) will process the deal onwards, before it is finally cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for final signatures between India and Russia. But given the bad blood in the contest so far, it remains to be seen how soon today’s win translates into a full contract with Russia. The last 18 months, especially, have been tumultuous to say the least.

For starters, the only system that needed to engage in any firing during the final re-confirmatory trials last year was Saab’s RBS 70NG. While the Russian team has been asked to demonstrate the crucial act of target acquisition, the French team were on site as observers. Each one of the contenders has had compliance issues, though Russia’s refusal to even appear for certain trial rounds during the contest had the other two competitors send up periodic flares. Again, it remains to be seen how these were addressed — or if they were at all. Livefist has learnt that messages of protest had been conveyed as recently as weeks ago.

The systems themselves, to be supplied in small numbers by the foreign supplier, with most of the rest to be built under license in India, are variants of the baseline shoulder-launched missile systems that each offers. Each system, manned by two Army personnel, feature a twin launcher system capable of tracking, engaging and firing at air threats including aircraft, helicopters and drones. The Indian Army needs the large numbers of VSHORADS systems to plug long amplified gaps in its ground-based air defence network.

Amidst reports in 2015 that the contest was about to be scrapped and rebooted, the MoD decided to conduct more trial rounds, a final round held last year. The contest has taken over five years in its second attempt, though the overall requirement actually dates back to 1999 (aborted for the first time in 2005), making the VSHORADS go down as a record in India’s contracting history for length.

Last month, India signed a $5.2 billion deal with Russia for S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems, a deal that should, in normal course, have attracted punitive U.S. sanctions under CAATSA regulations, though India was accorded a waiver. It remains unclear what the path ahead for this deal will be.

It's stupid to go ahead with the tender, they should just cancel it and buy the newer Verba from Russia in a GTG.

The French and Swedish MANPADS are too expensive anyway.
 
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One of India’s most confounding, meandering and costly weapons contests — seen for months to be hanging by a thread — has finally reached a conclusion that is almost certain to be beset with controversy. A three-way battle to supply the Indian Army with hundreds of very short-range air defence systems (VSHORADS) is at an end with Russia’s Igla-S system being declared ‘lowest bidder’, edging out Sweden’s Saab (with the RBS 70NG) and France’s MBDA (with the Mistral).

The Indian Army has spent nearly two decades trying acquire hundreds of man-portable missile systems that infantry units can use to defend against aircraft, drones and helicopters.

As Livefist reported last month, the contest has seen five years of trials and a spate of letters of protest shot off to the MoD last year and this year by both MBDA and Saab, pointing to what they said were unfair waivers granted to the Russian contender. The Swedish and French competitors plainly alleged that the field of play wasn’t level and that the Russian system, manufactured by Russia’s state-owned Konstruktorskoye Byuro Mashynostroyeniya (KBM), was unfairly favoured by Indian test teams.

Today’s declaration of Russia’s Igla-S as victor in the contest has been expected for weeks. In August, Rosoboronexport chief Alexander Mikheev told Livefist in Moscow, “The Igla-S has emerged more cost effective than competitors after the tenders were opened.”

Army sources say while all three systems have had performance or technical compliance niggles since field evaluations began in 2012, the Russian Igla-S had the most significant issues: firing was deemed not successful during field trials, target acquisition continuously failed, and, to top it all, the Igla-S didn’t have a state-of-the-art sight during trials. With today’s declaration of a Russian win, the Indian MoD has signaled that the issues were either addressed, or waivers granted.

Sources tell Livefist that Russia tried to push the 9K333 Verba system into the contest to replace of the Igla-S principally because of the latter’s performance issues in around 2016. However, replacing a product mid-course under an unusually strict set of targets charted out in the RfP was simply not an option, and would have meant an instant reboot to the contest. Russia was told the Verba couldn’t come anywhere near the race, and the VSHORADS contest would only test the Igla-S.

screen.jpg


After the declaration of a contest winner — the lowest bidder or L1 — procedure dictates that a contract negotiating committee (CNC) will process the deal onwards, before it is finally cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for final signatures between India and Russia. But given the bad blood in the contest so far, it remains to be seen how soon today’s win translates into a full contract with Russia. The last 18 months, especially, have been tumultuous to say the least.

For starters, the only system that needed to engage in any firing during the final re-confirmatory trials last year was Saab’s RBS 70NG. While the Russian team has been asked to demonstrate the crucial act of target acquisition, the French team were on site as observers. Each one of the contenders has had compliance issues, though Russia’s refusal to even appear for certain trial rounds during the contest had the other two competitors send up periodic flares. Again, it remains to be seen how these were addressed — or if they were at all. Livefist has learnt that messages of protest had been conveyed as recently as weeks ago.

The systems themselves, to be supplied in small numbers by the foreign supplier, with most of the rest to be built under license in India, are variants of the baseline shoulder-launched missile systems that each offers. Each system, manned by two Army personnel, feature a twin launcher system capable of tracking, engaging and firing at air threats including aircraft, helicopters and drones. The Indian Army needs the large numbers of VSHORADS systems to plug long amplified gaps in its ground-based air defence network.

Amidst reports in 2015 that the contest was about to be scrapped and rebooted, the MoD decided to conduct more trial rounds, a final round held last year. The contest has taken over five years in its second attempt, though the overall requirement actually dates back to 1999 (aborted for the first time in 2005), making the VSHORADS go down as a record in India’s contracting history for length.

Last month, India signed a $5.2 billion deal with Russia for S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems, a deal that should, in normal course, have attracted punitive U.S. sanctions under CAATSA regulations, though India was accorded a waiver. It remains unclear what the path ahead for this deal will be.
Weren't some DRDO affilated labs developing VSHORADS? Besides, what are these air defence gaps being referred to? Can you elaborate? @randomradio ; @Hellfire ; @Sancho ; @Abingdonboy
 
DRDO now have all the required tech to make a MANPAD in the next 3-4 years. They have shown they can do development in a short time with MPATGM. It was sanctioned 4 years ago now entering user trials.

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Then how does one explain this procurement? If the procurement has been stretched, as the article points out, for nearly 2 decades, what's another 4-5 years delay ?
 
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Weren't some DRDO affilated labs developing VSHORADS?

Who knows? There was talk of having an indigenous program last year, but I suppose nothing's happened so far.

Depending on the maturity of the program, in case it does exist, we should either just scrap the tender and buy the Verba directly and hand it to private players (or a mix of DPSU and private) or directly import a small number of Verba and depend on the DRDO designed system. Honestly, I prefer the former, since the VSHORADs requirement is critical, like the rifles. We took a risk with the MPATGM program, but MANPADS is on a whole 'nother level of complexity.

SAAB's RBS is better than the Verba, so even that is an option, but I don't see the govt choosing the L2 for GTG. Mistral is ridiculously expensive and inferior to the RBS. Stinger is another option, but we shouldn't go that route when the Verba is available.

Besides, what are these air defence gaps being referred to? Can you elaborate? @randomradio ; @Hellfire ; @Sancho ; @Abingdonboy

The air defence gaps have already been addressed with the Akash SRSAM and Barak MRSAM for now, with the QRSAM to follow. There is also a separate SRSAM program to procure 2 regiments of SPYDERs, which has likely been superseded by Akash S1. At the same time we already operate the Tunguska and are upgrading the L-70, ZSU-23 and Shilka CIWS along with upgrading older SAMs. There is a separate tender out for new gen CIWS. And then there's the MANPADS.
 
Breakdown of the IA's planned ADS.

Towed CIWS: L-70, Zu-23. New tender will replace both.
Tracked CIWS: Shilka, Tunguska. The Shilkas have been upgraded with AESA radars.
SRSAM: Akash Mk1 and Akash S1. Akash S1 killed the SRSAM tender for 2 regiments which SPYDER was going to win. Protects static areas.
QRSAM: IA wants 3 regiments of SPYDER and 5 regiments of DRDO QRSAM. DRDO wants all. Protects mobile areas.
MRSAM: Israeli Barak. But it's called MRSAM because it has a more advanced seeker than the IN's Barak.
 
Shiv AroorNov 19 2018 9 11 pm

One of India’s most confounding, meandering and costly weapons contests — seen for months to be hanging by a thread — has finally reached a conclusion that is almost certain to be beset with controversy. A three-way battle to supply the Indian Army with hundreds of very short-range air defence systems (VSHORADS) is at an end with Russia’s Igla-S system being declared ‘lowest bidder’, edging out Sweden’s Saab (with the RBS 70NG) and France’s MBDA (with the Mistral).

The Indian Army has spent nearly two decades trying acquire hundreds of man-portable missile systems that infantry units can use to defend against aircraft, drones and helicopters.

As Livefist reported last month, the contest has seen five years of trials and a spate of letters of protest shot off to the MoD last year and this year by both MBDA and Saab, pointing to what they said were unfair waivers granted to the Russian contender. The Swedish and French competitors plainly alleged that the field of play wasn’t level and that the Russian system, manufactured by Russia’s state-owned Konstruktorskoye Byuro Mashynostroyeniya (KBM), was unfairly favoured by Indian test teams.

Today’s declaration of Russia’s Igla-S as victor in the contest has been expected for weeks. In August, Rosoboronexport chief Alexander Mikheev told Livefist in Moscow, “The Igla-S has emerged more cost effective than competitors after the tenders were opened.”

Army sources say while all three systems have had performance or technical compliance niggles since field evaluations began in 2012, the Russian Igla-S had the most significant issues: firing was deemed not successful during field trials, target acquisition continuously failed, and, to top it all, the Igla-S didn’t have a state-of-the-art sight during trials. With today’s declaration of a Russian win, the Indian MoD has signaled that the issues were either addressed, or waivers granted.

Sources tell Livefist that Russia tried to push the 9K333 Verba system into the contest to replace of the Igla-S principally because of the latter’s performance issues in around 2016. However, replacing a product mid-course under an unusually strict set of targets charted out in the RfP was simply not an option, and would have meant an instant reboot to the contest. Russia was told the Verba couldn’t come anywhere near the race, and the VSHORADS contest would only test the Igla-S.

After the declaration of a contest winner — the lowest bidder or L1 — procedure dictates that a contract negotiating committee (CNC) will process the deal onwards, before it is finally cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for final signatures between India and Russia. But given the bad blood in the contest so far, it remains to be seen how soon today’s win translates into a full contract with Russia. The last 18 months, especially, have been tumultuous to say the least.

For starters, the only system that needed to engage in any firing during the final re-confirmatory trials last year was Saab’s RBS 70NG. While the Russian team has been asked to demonstrate the crucial act of target acquisition, the French team were on site as observers. Each one of the contenders has had compliance issues, though Russia’s refusal to even appear for certain trial rounds during the contest had the other two competitors send up periodic flares. Again, it remains to be seen how these were addressed — or if they were at all. Livefist has learnt that messages of protest had been conveyed as recently as weeks ago.

The systems themselves, to be supplied in small numbers by the foreign supplier, with most of the rest to be built under license in India, are variants of the baseline shoulder-launched missile systems that each offers. Each system, manned by two Army personnel, feature a twin launcher system capable of tracking, engaging and firing at air threats including aircraft, helicopters and drones. The Indian Army needs the large numbers of VSHORADS systems to plug long amplified gaps in its ground-based air defence network.

Amidst reports in 2015 that the contest was about to be scrapped and rebooted, the MoD decided to conduct more trial rounds, a final round held last year. The contest has taken over five years in its second attempt, though the overall requirement actually dates back to 1999 (aborted for the first time in 2005), making the VSHORADS go down as a record in India’s contracting history for length.

Last month, India signed a $5.2 billion deal with Russia for S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems, a deal that should, in normal course, have attracted punitive U.S. sanctions under CAATSA regulations, though India was accorded a waiver. It remains unclear what the path ahead for this deal will be.

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...ins-indian-army-vshorads-missile-contest.html
 
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