Arihant-class SSBN - News & Discussions
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2022 is when we start getting Hangor class subs.New pictures of our nuclear babies..
Note 3 nuclear submarines in a single photo and definitely there could be one more in pen....
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One of our nuclear baby with operational K4 missile clearly visible...
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Found this from a Chinese source. @safriz @Neo when can we see green painted missiles emerging from sea...
for now our land based highly mobile missiles and slcm are enogh..
no need to spend billions of public money in an unwanted project.
2022 is when we will be having all 9 scorpenes, 2025 is when we will be having 5-6 SSN, 2 Chakra class, 5-7 SSBN, 6 upgraded kilos, now compare without shivering and sweating....
As for your land based assets all are under surveillance of indian satellites and intelligence...☺
That's fine. I been in the Pakistani navy in early 90s. Back then for us going as far out in the sea when the lights of Karachi couldn't be seen, was something to brag about2022 is when we will be having all 9 scorpenes, 2025 is when we will be having 5-6 SSN, 2 Chakra class, 5-7 SSBN, 6 upgraded kilos, now compare without shivering and sweating....
As for your land based assets all are under surveillance of indian satellites and intelligence...☺
. Our ships and even subs rarely left the Dock.
Even under such docile navy, i don't remember any navy threat from India.
The two countries are next doors to each other and don't need such sophisticated weapons to attack each other.
About land based missiles even the USA couldn't keep most of our missiles under watch despite spending more than 2.5 billion dollars specifically on this purpose.
So Indian claims of tracking all our missiles in real time is childish fantasy, and far from reality. That's why our land based missiles are classed as second strike capability.
So Indian claims of tracking all our missiles in real time is childish fantasy, and far from reality. That's why our land based missiles are classed as second strike capability.
There are 2 god-awful assumptions here:
1) That US would update you via email about what it tracks
2) That land-based missiles are second-strike capability
Well yes land based missiles are second strike capability as long as they can remain hidden to avoid first strike.
Thats why countries have dug deep silo based missiles, so that they can sit there un-damaged during an enemy first strike then launch a retaliatory strike.
So its not an assumption.
Kya baat batayi hai...and how exactly are these land based missiles supposed to remain hidden? You know that launch pads are clearly visible to satellites right?
Silos were dug back in the days when space-based reconnaissance wasn't such a big thing and the only reliable way to know where the launch sites were was to fly a plane over the region and take pictures. Plus, there is no silo in the world that can resist a nuclear explosion where the RV impacts the ground. Such an explosion forms a vast crater. Silos can only survive airburst explosions (which won't be the case if the enemy is targeting your silos).
That's why all P5 countries (and now India) spent massive amounts on SSBNs, which are the only truly reliable way to ensure a second-strike capability. Even North Korea realizes that.
Oh it is, and a very ill-informed one at that.
Why Pakistani’s are celebrating Sinking of INS Arihant – Indian Defence Research Wing
It is very much possible that it was a game of deception played by India in making believe its enemies that Arihant has encountered an accident and is in the docks for repair in order for the enemies not to be on the hunt for Arihant, whereas in the mean time it actually went around close within the enemies striking range and completed a deterrence patrol successfully
It is very much possible that it was a game of deception played by India in making believe its enemies that Arihant has encountered an accident and is in the docks for repair in order for the enemies not to be on the hunt for Arihant, whereas in the mean time it actually went around close within the enemies striking range and completed a deterrence patrol successfully
The Sub has been fully operational since it was cleared for det patrol. The stated incident never ever happened and this sub was part of the group which was supposed to take out Karachi on 27th night. I had used the words kayamat kee raat and Modi used Qatl kee raat. Someday we will get to know the whole truth in media. Till than just remember how close Pakistan was to be removed from world map.
My theory has always been its another ssbn under final trails clocked as arihant to keep prying eyes away.
The simple reason is there is no threat to Pakistan from India. Look at our relations with all our neighbours, even China. China doesn't even have troops or air force at our border.
Depends on what you call "troops". Does paramilitary constitute as regular army in Pakistan?
A long term outlook at nuke sub projects :
SSN After SSBN: How India’s Nuclear Submarine Fleet Is Taking Shape
by Prakhar Gupta-Jun 24, 2019, 5:14 pm
INS Chakra, a nuclear submarine leased from Russia. (Indian Navy/Wikipedia)
Snapshot :
India is working on three different nuclear submarine projects.
In October 2018, India acknowledged that INS Arihant had completed its first deterrence patrol. In 2017, INS Arighat, the second of Arihant-class boats, had been quietly launched.
Now India’s nuclear submarine programme has got a new vertical — SSNs or nuclear-powered boats armed with conventional missiles.
After teething troubles, including a crippling accident, India’s nuclear submarine programme — the country’s costliest defence project, monitored directly by National Security Advisor, Ajit Doval — has made big strides in recent years. In October 2018, the wraps of secrecy around the programme were uncovered for the first time when India acknowledged that INS Arihant, its first SSBN — a nuclear-powered submarine equipped with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles — had completed its first deterrence patrol. In 2017, INS Arighat, the second of Arihant-class boats, had been quietly launched.
With the Arihant-class project now working at assembly-line pace, the programme has got a new vertical — SSNs or nuclear-powered boats armed with conventional missiles. A new report reveals that the government has granted Rs 100 crore for the initial phase of development of these submarines — a phase that may stretch beyond 2025.
India plans to build six SSNs with a displacement capacity of 6,000 tonnes. The government gave a go ahead for the project in 2015. Design work had begun at the Gurgaon-based Submarine Design Centre sometime around 2017 and considerable progress has been made since. The Hyderabad-based, state-owned Mishra Dhatu Nigam, has been asked to develop an indigenous special alloy for the hull of the submarine to allow it to dive much deeper than the Arihant-class boats. The nuclear reactor being developed for the SSNs will also be more powerful than the one on the Arihant-class submarines.
SSNs — given that they are powered by a nuclear reactor — can travel almost indefinitely underwater, like SSBNs. At the same time, they are easier to operate in comparison with SSBNs as they are armed with conventional weapons. When deployed, submarines need to remain in touch with the Command and Control Centre to receive orders for launch, if and when required. This is a critical requirement especially in the case of a nuclear-armed submarine (SSBN), like INS Arihant, which needs approval from the Nuclear Command Authority to launch a nuclear-tipped missile.
According to the news report, a scale model of the SSNs will soon be fabricated and tested for design flaws. The leasing of an Akula-2 SSN from Russia for a ten-year period in a $3 billion deal earlier this year is also likely to come handy for the development of the new type and and also for training the crew that will operate it.
Although the effort behind the projects is indigenous with 60 per cent of the components for the Arihant-class being sourced from local manufacturers, the Navy has benefited from a close design-and-technical cooperation with Russia.
Work on SSNs will continue as the Navy inducts Arihant-class boats. The Arighat, in an advanced stage of trials, is likely to enter service with the Indian Navy around 2020. The next two units of the Arihant-class boats, identified as S4 and S4 'star' for now, are also under construction at the Ship Building Centre in Visakhapatnam.
These two boats will displace at least 1,000 tonnes more than the 6,000 tonne INS Arihant. The two units will be capable of carrying eight 3,500 km range K-4 Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile (SLBM) while INS Arihant can carry only four of these. The first Arihant-class boat is currently equipped with a dozen 750 km range K-15 Sagarika SLBM. While the K-15 has entered service, K-4 is still being tested.
India’s K-15 subsurface-launched missile test. (Livefist)
India is also working on a new series of SSBNs, which will be a marked improvement over the Arihant-class — India’s first effort at developing a full-fledged nuclear submarine. The designing work for this new series, as Sandeep Unnithan reported in India Today back in 2017, is also currently underway. Identified as S-5, this new type of submarine will have a displacement of 13,500 tonnes, which is twice that of the Arihant-class boats, and will be capable of carrying 12 long-range nuclear-tipped missiles.
Therefore, India is currently working on three nuclear submarine projects.
However, the country remains far from having a credible sea deterrent.
The range of the K-15 SLBM, which equips INS Arihant, the only SSBN in service with the Indian Navy currently, is just 750 km. When patrolling in the Bay of Bengal, INS Arihant can’t strike population and industrial centres in China and Pakistan, which are at least 2,000 kilometres from the northern-most and the western-most edges of the water body, respectively.
The next missile in the series, K-4, will provide a solution, which will be followed by the 5,000 km range K-5 SLBM. Work on the fourth missile in this series, K-6, began at DRDO's Hyderabad-based Advanced Naval Systems in February 2017. The missile is reported to have a range of over 6,000 km. Induction of these missiles will allow India’s SSBN fleet to hit targets deep inside China.
However, India remains far from matching China’s capabilities, both in terms of numbers and experience. INS Arihant’s deterrence patrol lasted for only around 20 days. In comparison, modern diesel-electric submarines can remain at sea for 30 to 40 days at a stretch. Beijing currently has four SSBNs and India is likely to reach the same number — by the most optimistic accounts — only by the end of the next decade.
Prakhar Gupta is a senior sub-editor at Swarajya. Follow him @prakhar4991.
SSN After SSBN: How India’s Nuclear Submarine Fleet Is Taking Shape
SSN After SSBN: How India’s Nuclear Submarine Fleet Is Taking Shape
by Prakhar Gupta-Jun 24, 2019, 5:14 pm
Snapshot :
India is working on three different nuclear submarine projects.
In October 2018, India acknowledged that INS Arihant had completed its first deterrence patrol. In 2017, INS Arighat, the second of Arihant-class boats, had been quietly launched.
Now India’s nuclear submarine programme has got a new vertical — SSNs or nuclear-powered boats armed with conventional missiles.
After teething troubles, including a crippling accident, India’s nuclear submarine programme — the country’s costliest defence project, monitored directly by National Security Advisor, Ajit Doval — has made big strides in recent years. In October 2018, the wraps of secrecy around the programme were uncovered for the first time when India acknowledged that INS Arihant, its first SSBN — a nuclear-powered submarine equipped with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles — had completed its first deterrence patrol. In 2017, INS Arighat, the second of Arihant-class boats, had been quietly launched.
With the Arihant-class project now working at assembly-line pace, the programme has got a new vertical — SSNs or nuclear-powered boats armed with conventional missiles. A new report reveals that the government has granted Rs 100 crore for the initial phase of development of these submarines — a phase that may stretch beyond 2025.
India plans to build six SSNs with a displacement capacity of 6,000 tonnes. The government gave a go ahead for the project in 2015. Design work had begun at the Gurgaon-based Submarine Design Centre sometime around 2017 and considerable progress has been made since. The Hyderabad-based, state-owned Mishra Dhatu Nigam, has been asked to develop an indigenous special alloy for the hull of the submarine to allow it to dive much deeper than the Arihant-class boats. The nuclear reactor being developed for the SSNs will also be more powerful than the one on the Arihant-class submarines.
SSNs — given that they are powered by a nuclear reactor — can travel almost indefinitely underwater, like SSBNs. At the same time, they are easier to operate in comparison with SSBNs as they are armed with conventional weapons. When deployed, submarines need to remain in touch with the Command and Control Centre to receive orders for launch, if and when required. This is a critical requirement especially in the case of a nuclear-armed submarine (SSBN), like INS Arihant, which needs approval from the Nuclear Command Authority to launch a nuclear-tipped missile.
According to the news report, a scale model of the SSNs will soon be fabricated and tested for design flaws. The leasing of an Akula-2 SSN from Russia for a ten-year period in a $3 billion deal earlier this year is also likely to come handy for the development of the new type and and also for training the crew that will operate it.
Although the effort behind the projects is indigenous with 60 per cent of the components for the Arihant-class being sourced from local manufacturers, the Navy has benefited from a close design-and-technical cooperation with Russia.
Work on SSNs will continue as the Navy inducts Arihant-class boats. The Arighat, in an advanced stage of trials, is likely to enter service with the Indian Navy around 2020. The next two units of the Arihant-class boats, identified as S4 and S4 'star' for now, are also under construction at the Ship Building Centre in Visakhapatnam.
These two boats will displace at least 1,000 tonnes more than the 6,000 tonne INS Arihant. The two units will be capable of carrying eight 3,500 km range K-4 Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile (SLBM) while INS Arihant can carry only four of these. The first Arihant-class boat is currently equipped with a dozen 750 km range K-15 Sagarika SLBM. While the K-15 has entered service, K-4 is still being tested.
India is also working on a new series of SSBNs, which will be a marked improvement over the Arihant-class — India’s first effort at developing a full-fledged nuclear submarine. The designing work for this new series, as Sandeep Unnithan reported in India Today back in 2017, is also currently underway. Identified as S-5, this new type of submarine will have a displacement of 13,500 tonnes, which is twice that of the Arihant-class boats, and will be capable of carrying 12 long-range nuclear-tipped missiles.
Therefore, India is currently working on three nuclear submarine projects.
However, the country remains far from having a credible sea deterrent.
The range of the K-15 SLBM, which equips INS Arihant, the only SSBN in service with the Indian Navy currently, is just 750 km. When patrolling in the Bay of Bengal, INS Arihant can’t strike population and industrial centres in China and Pakistan, which are at least 2,000 kilometres from the northern-most and the western-most edges of the water body, respectively.
The next missile in the series, K-4, will provide a solution, which will be followed by the 5,000 km range K-5 SLBM. Work on the fourth missile in this series, K-6, began at DRDO's Hyderabad-based Advanced Naval Systems in February 2017. The missile is reported to have a range of over 6,000 km. Induction of these missiles will allow India’s SSBN fleet to hit targets deep inside China.
However, India remains far from matching China’s capabilities, both in terms of numbers and experience. INS Arihant’s deterrence patrol lasted for only around 20 days. In comparison, modern diesel-electric submarines can remain at sea for 30 to 40 days at a stretch. Beijing currently has four SSBNs and India is likely to reach the same number — by the most optimistic accounts — only by the end of the next decade.
Prakhar Gupta is a senior sub-editor at Swarajya. Follow him @prakhar4991.
SSN After SSBN: How India’s Nuclear Submarine Fleet Is Taking Shape
