Barak 8 ER in Azerbaijan

[randomradio]

This is the MRSAM version.

This is the Barak 8 ER.

The ER has a range of 150Km. I am pleasantly surprised that it has finished development.

 

[sid4587]

This is the MRSAM version.

This is the Barak 8 ER.

The ER has a range of 150Km. I am pleasantly surprised that it has finished development.

Is this similar to what we are developing as XRSAM?

 

[vstol Jockey]

This missile system is designed to go high up and than use gravity to maintain its speed to intercept a target. The larger the booster, higher will be the altitude gain and longer will be the range with same amount of propellant in the basic missile.

 

[randomradio]

Is this similar to what we are developing as XRSAM?

No. They are not even in the same class.

 

[sid4587]

No. They are not even in the same class.

One Idiot at defexpo told me that XRSAM will be 150 KM. I got confused with BARAK ER

 

[randomradio]

One Idiot at defexpo told me that XRSAM will be 150 KM. I got confused with BARAK ER

We expect XRSAM to be in the 250-400Km class. So at least 250Km.

QRSAM, Akash Mk1, Akash Mk2, Barak 8, Barak 8ER, XRSAM, ???. That pretty much covers all our SAM needs for the next 20 years.

??? = XRSAM Mk2 probably.

Barak class will also be indigenized once XRSAM completes development.

 

[Parthu]

We expect XRSAM to be in the 250-400Km class. So at least 250Km.

QRSAM, Akash Mk1, Akash Mk2, Barak 8, Barak 8ER, XRSAM, ???. That pretty much covers all our SAM needs for the next 20 years.

??? = XRSAM Mk2 probably.

Barak class will also be indigenized once XRSAM completes development.

Do you think Akash NG (Mk2) should actually find use within Indian service? I'd think QRSAM on the lower end and the 90km Barak 8 on the higher end should have the short-to-medium engagement envelope covered.

 

[Ashwin]

Do you think Akash NG (Mk2) should actually find use within Indian service?

IA will get Akash mk1S and IAF Akash NG.

 

[Parthu]

IA will get Akash mk1S and IAF Akash NG.

I didn't follow....What's the difference between Mk.1S and NG? I know that NG is going to have significantly different airframe from Mk.1 and will be a canisterized missile.

 

[Ashwin]

I didn't follow....What's the difference between Mk.1S and NG? I know that NG is going to have significantly different airframe from Mk.1 and will be a canisterized missile.

1S is an improvement over Mk1 while NG is canisterized missile with a new airframe.

 

[randomradio]

Do you think Akash NG (Mk2) should actually find use within Indian service? I'd think QRSAM on the lower end and the 90km Barak 8 on the higher end should have the short-to-medium engagement envelope covered.

The gap between QRSAM and Barak 8 is too much. And using Barak 8 everywhere will be more expensive than necessary. Even after buying Akash Mk1 and Barak 8, the IAF and IA have shown interest in the Akash NG as well.

DRDO is working on Barak equivalent missiles too. So indigenization of all tiers is necessary if we are to completely unify our air defence capabilities.

 

[randomradio]

I didn't follow....What's the difference between Mk.1S and NG? I know that NG is going to have significantly different airframe from Mk.1 and will be a canisterized missile.

1S is the Mk1, but with a seeker. NG is a highly modernised system where the missile and radars are heavily modified.

 

[sid4587]

We expect XRSAM to be in the 250-400Km class. So at least 250Km.

QRSAM, Akash Mk1, Akash Mk2, Barak 8, Barak 8ER, XRSAM, ???. That pretty much covers all our SAM needs for the next 20 years.

??? = XRSAM Mk2 probably.

Barak class will also be indigenized once XRSAM completes development.

Almost all are to tackle incoming speed upto 6-7 Mach, XRSAM will also be of same capability with just range more? Correct me if I am wrong that we do not have development vision yet for incoming speed more than Mach 15, considering PDV will be able to tackle anything below Mach15.

 

[randomradio]

Almost all are to tackle incoming speed upto 6-7 Mach, XRSAM will also be of same capability with just range more? Correct me if I am wrong that we do not have development vision yet for incoming speed more than Mach 15, considering PDV will be able to tackle anything below Mach15.

We don't know anything about XRSAM. It could either be a variant of the AAD or the SFDR.

We have the ongoing Phase II Indian BMD program that will tackle threats up to mach 27.

 

[vstol Jockey]

We don't know anything about XRSAM. It could either be a variant of the AAD or the SFDR.

We have the ongoing Phase II Indian BMD program that will tackle threats up to mach 27.

XRSAM is a variant of LRSAM with a better booster and larger fuel tank. The warhead size and seeker stays same. LRSAM-ER is LRSAM with a more powerful booster.

 

[sid4587]

We have the ongoing Phase II Indian BMD program that will tackle threats up to mach 27.

Sir, I really doubt the claim of intercepting incoming of Mach 27. Nowhere I have come across this claim for Phase II, I have seen claiming 12-15 Mach. Are you really sure bcz even S400 is not that much capable.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Sir, I really doubt the claim of intercepting incoming of Mach 27. Nowhere I have come across this claim for Phase II, I have seen claiming 12-15 Mach. Are you really sure bcz even S400 is not that much capable.

you can intercept an incoming missile even with a sub sonic missile as long as you have sufficient detection and warning time to launch the missile at the maximum intercept range. Please remember the speed of the incoming missile adds to the speed of the interceptor and move the intercept point towards the incoming missile. larger the speed of the interceptor, longer will be the range of intercept point. Lesser and vice versa.

 

[randomradio]

XRSAM is a variant of LRSAM with a better booster and larger fuel tank. The warhead size and seeker stays same. LRSAM-ER is LRSAM with a more powerful booster.

XRSAM is indigenous, by DRDO, so no core Israeli tech here.

 

[sid4587]

sufficient detection and warning time to launch the missile at the maximum intercept range

That's what I wanted to know that during mid course of ICBM(more than 8000 KM for Mach 20+), it would be too far away for any radar to detect unless we have airborne near the mid course range, even if we have radar to lock missile during entering phase, are we confident enough to intercept it with subsonic missiles when we have only 20 seconds to intercept. Shouldn't it be more effective if we have missile reaching Mach 7 in 10 seconds? or is it purely depend upon radar system and after certain limit missile(defense) range and speed will become useless?

 

[vstol Jockey]

That's what I wanted to know that during mid course of ICBM(more than 8000 KM for Mach 20+), it would be too far away for any radar to detect unless we have airborne near the mid course range, even if we have radar to lock missile during entering phase, are we confident enough to intercept it with subsonic missiles when we have only 20 seconds to intercept. Shouldn't it be more effective if we have missile reaching Mach 7 in 10 seconds? or is it purely depend upon radar system and after certain limit missile(defense) range and speed will become useless?

The intercept point lies further away based on the speed of the interceptor. Higher the speed of the interceptor, larger and more distant is the intercept point for an incoming target.