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Why would Sweden join Tempest, they have Gripen E already..

Seems they are settling for team efforts, as a solo player they had it no easy.

I feel India should join FCAS now itself, with some of the technologies going into MK2 LCA & Amca and import FCAS for heavy category.
 
Sathya said:
I feel India should join FCAS now itself, with some of the technologies going into MK2 LCA & Amca and import FCAS for heavy category.
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It's quite unrealistic for India to join FCAS as a partner. All we can do is import and license produce as a stop gap before we attempt to make our own heavy jet.

By 2025, we have to start planning our own MKI replacement.
 
randomradio said:
It's quite unrealistic for India to join FCAS as a partner. All we can do is import and license produce as a stop gap before we attempt to make our own heavy jet.

By 2025, we have to start planning our own MKI replacement.
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Why unrealistic?
DRAL is there to make components?

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Why thinking about Su30 mki replacement in 2025?
I am sure we wouldn't have planned or replaced mig29 by then
 
Sathya said:
Why unrealistic?
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What will we design? Avionics? Engine? Airframe? We have nothing to do there. It will be like FGFA where Russia will do all the work and we will only provide the money. And Western projects are extremely expensive for us to join anyway, especially when we are already planning to spend $5B or more on AMCA during the same time.

DRAL is there to make components?
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That's for production. For a partnership, you want DRDO and ADA.

Why thinking about Su30 mki replacement in 2025?
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I am referring to our own project. 2025-35 for feasibility studies and design. 2035 to 2045-50 for flight testing, LRIP, IOC and FOC. Full rate production from 2050 onwards. We should aim for 100% Indian IP.

In the meantime, buy some PAK FA and FCAS squadrons as our silver bullet squadrons until our entire aerospace industry consolidates and moves towards 100% Indian IP.
 
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MBDA unveils Team Tempest weapon system concepts | Jane's 360

MBDA unveils Team Tempest weapon system concepts
Robin Hughes, London - Jane's Missiles & Rockets

26 September 2019

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Team Tempest WVRAAM weapons concepts – foreground: Increased Calibre WVRAAM; behind: WVRAAM twin pack Source: MBDA

MBDA in the United Kingdom, in collaboration with its partners in Team Tempest, has unveiled a range of advanced weapon system concepts designed to complement and exploit the technologies that will inform the development of a sixth-generation fighter platform under the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) Future Combat Air System Technology Initiative.

Team Tempest is a UK government-industry partnership comprising MoD personnel from the Royal Air Force (RAF) Rapid Capabilities Office, the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, Defence Equipment & Support and industry partners, BAE Systems, Leonardo, MBDA, and Rolls-Royce.

"We are looking at how future weapons concepts and the future platform can work together," Chris Allard, group head of surface attack and future systems at MBDA, told Jane's . "Rather than the more traditional approach, where we integrate weapons after the platform has been designed, we are now looking at how we can design the weapons and the platform together to optimise overall mission effectiveness. Being involved in the development of novel interfaces, bay designs, and integration processes will be a key enabler to the spiral development of complementing effectors in the future," he added.

Working with Leonardo and BAE Systems, MBDA is advancing a hard-kill defensive aid system (HK-DAS) concept as part of the platform's integrated defensive system. Designed to track, target, and intercept incoming missiles, HK-DAS is a compact < 1 m length, 10 kg-class imaging infrared (IIR) hit-to-kill missile, released from launchers integrated within the platform airframe. In keeping with its commonality, modularity, and reuse principle, the company is also considering, as part of the same conceptual family, a scalable Ground Attack Micromissile in the same form factor, but furnished with a small explosive payload to enable a close-air support role from the platform.

In the air-to-air domain, leveraging its current in-service 88 kg class, 166 mm calibre, IR-homing Advanced Short-Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM) technologies, MBDA is exploring new within-visual-range air-to-air missile (WVRAAM) concepts.
 
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Rolls-Royce touts ‘world-first’ engine tech for Tempest | Jane's 360

Rolls-Royce touts ‘world-first’ engine tech for Tempest
Gareth Jennings, London - Jane's Defence Weekly

10 January 2020

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Rolls-Royce is developing what it terms to be “world-first" technology for the Tempest future fighter, seen at the Farnborough Airshow 2018 with the unveiling of a full-scale mockup. Source: Jane's/Patrick Allen

UK aerospace engine manufacturer Rolls-Royce is developing "world-first" technology for the Tempest future fighter project, the company announced on 10 January.

The effort, which has to date been running for five years, is geared towards managing "unprecedented levels of electrical power demand and thermal load … within the context of a stealthy aircraft." The goal is to provide both the thrust to propel the aircraft and the electrical power required for all the systems, while managing the resulting thermal loads.

According to Rolls-Royce, the Tempest effort builds on earlier work to address future aircraft power demands. In 2014 it designed an electrical starter-generator that was fully embedded in the core of a gas turbine engine, now known as the Embedded Electrical Starter Generator (E2SG) demonstrator programme.

"The electrical embedded starter-generator will save space and provide the large amount of electrical power required by future fighters. Existing aircraft engines generate power through a gearbox underneath the engine, which drives a generator. In addition to adding moving parts and complexity, the space required outside the engine for the gearbox and generator makes the airframe larger, which is undesirable in a stealthy platform," Conrad Banks, Chief Engineer for Future Programmes at Rolls-Royce was quoted as saying.

As Rolls-Royce explained, the two-spool-mounted electrical machines enable, by combination of operation as either a motor or a generator, the production of a series of functional effects on the engine, including the transfer of power electrically between the two spools.

Phase two of the E2SG programme, launched in 2017, has now been adopted as part of Rolls-Royce's contribution to the Tempest programme. This phase saw the inclusion of a second electrical generator connected to the other spool of the engine. It also included an energy storage system in the electrical network and the ability to intelligently manage the supply of power between all these systems.
 
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Bon Plan said:
Why ?
ASRAAM is already more than a pure within visual range missile. It has the higher range of the market. Why a bigger one?
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Judging by the picture (2 up), there seems to be smaller missiles, which can be carried in greater number and maybe used as an anti-missile defence.
 
BMD said:
Judging by the picture (2 up), there seems to be smaller missiles, which can be carried in greater number and maybe used as an anti-missile defence.
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I think the pylon with 2 missiles are for 2 ASRAAM. It's costy to developp a new missile... so 2 is out of budget. But maybe you are right.
 
The pylon is carrying smaller missiles, estimated 1.8m long. The large one is either the same length as ASRAAM or longer with increased calibre, i.e. diameter.

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