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The Brazilian air force plans to cut its order of 28 examples of the Embraer KC-390 Millennium transport due to the negative impact of the coronavirus pandemic on Brasilia’s budget.

The service has not said by how much its order will be reduced, but stated on 27 May that it aims to have Embraer hold production at two aircraft per year. Embraer produced two KC-390s per year in 2019 and 2020, but with the addition of two new customers, Hungary and Portugal, following the Brazilian air force’s initial order, it was expected to ramp up production in the 2020s.
 

Brazil’s Embraer offers C-390 Millennium to IAF; To boost heavy lift capabilities​




In a potential boost to the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) transport capabilities, Brazilian aircraft manufacturer Embraer has revealed it is “in talks” with Indian authorities with its C-390 Millennium offering.

The aircraft is a medium-size, twin-engine, jet-powered military transport aircraft which, if inducted will give the IAF significant heavy lift capabilities.

Financial Express Online exclusively reveals what the company has to offer along with other verticals it looks to collaborate with India. Both nations maintain cordial bilateral relations, and the C390 offering if secured will further cement these ties in the defence domain.

Jackson Schneider, President & CEO, Embraer Defense & Security told Financial Express Online, “In the C390 we are absolutely sure that it is the right product for India. In India to be candid we are at the beginning of the process with the Indian authorities. And we believe with the right Indian partner and the right approach, we will be able to deliver for India the best solution even integrating in the plane Indian products, capacities and capabilities for the plane.
 
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Looks terrific
 

Brazilian EMBRAER is trying it's utmost to get India to buy / mfg this aircraft. We should exploit this opportunity to squeeze the most out of EMBRAER. I think this also neatly dovetails into our requirements for the MTA . Moreover, we should set our sights further & look at long term collaboration with EMBRAER for other projects with the aim of finally taking over the firm should the opportunity arise in the future.

That there was one such opportunity in the recent past shouldn't preclude the presenting of a similar opportunity in the future , what with the aviation mfg sector going thru a tough patch given the already precarious conditions of the economy of the world at large.

Moreover under the current circumstances there's no way the West will tolerate a Chinese takeover of an asset in the western Hemisphere. I reckon they may not mind an Indian takeover if none of their own companies are interested.


Which is why I think this is a far better deal than the RoK offer to jointly develop a similar aircraft.

I sincerely hope the Indian establishment takes a holistic view of the situation before arriving at a decision & doesn't merely look at this collaboration with EMBRAER if it happens as just a one off event.

What're your views? @Milspec et al
 

Brazilian EMBRAER is trying it's utmost to get India to buy / mfg this aircraft. We should exploit this opportunity to squeeze the most out of EMBRAER. I think this also neatly dovetails into our requirements for the MTA . Moreover, we should set our sights further & look at long term collaboration with EMBRAER for other projects with the aim of finally taking over the firm should the opportunity arise in the future.

That there was one such opportunity in the recent past shouldn't preclude the presenting of a similar opportunity in the future , what with the aviation mfg sector going thru a tough patch given the already precarious conditions of the economy of the world at large.

Moreover under the current circumstances there's no way the West will tolerate a Chinese takeover of an asset in the western Hemisphere. I reckon they may not mind an Indian takeover if none of their own companies are interested.


Which is why I think this is a far better deal than the RoK offer to jointly develop a similar aircraft.

I sincerely hope the Indian establishment takes a holistic view of the situation before arriving at a decision & doesn't merely look at this collaboration with EMBRAER if it happens as just a one off event.

What're your views? @Milspec et al
As usual Money will be our main obstacle.
 

Brazilian EMBRAER is trying it's utmost to get India to buy / mfg this aircraft. We should exploit this opportunity to squeeze the most out of EMBRAER. I think this also neatly dovetails into our requirements for the MTA . Moreover, we should set our sights further & look at long term collaboration with EMBRAER for other projects with the aim of finally taking over the firm should the opportunity arise in the future.

That there was one such opportunity in the recent past shouldn't preclude the presenting of a similar opportunity in the future , what with the aviation mfg sector going thru a tough patch given the already precarious conditions of the economy of the world at large.

Moreover under the current circumstances there's no way the West will tolerate a Chinese takeover of an asset in the western Hemisphere. I reckon they may not mind an Indian takeover if none of their own companies are interested.


Which is why I think this is a far better deal than the RoK offer to jointly develop a similar aircraft.

I sincerely hope the Indian establishment takes a holistic view of the situation before arriving at a decision & doesn't merely look at this collaboration with EMBRAER if it happens as just a one off event.

What're your views? @Milspec et al
Don't buy the Aircraft, Buy Embraer instead.
 
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If Embraer is not an Indian company, then it is not a better option than a Boeing or Airbus plane. Airbus and Boeing are similar to Maruti or Hyundai cars, and their maintenance costs will be much cheaper in the long run.
 
Don't buy the Aircraft, Buy Embraer instead.
It's not on sale as of now but they've managed to sell a mere 8 numbers to the Brazilian Portuguese & Hungarian air forces combined whereas it was supposed to sell ~28 nos only to the Brazilian Air Force.

Looks like the order has been cut short due to what else but a financial crunch. Nor is the Brazilian economy in great shape.

Should give you an idea of their desperate state of affairs. They'd have sold off to Boeing in 2020 itself had Boeing not acted funny forcing the Brazilian government to intervene & bail out EMBRAER temporarily.

We ought to form an SPV with public pvt partnership with the majority stake being vested with the pvt sector to avoid the usual red tape, bureaucracy & politics & propose to buy a stake in EMBRAER as a pre cursor to a deal. Once we get a toe hold in we can navigate our way thru.

Hide your strength bide your time.
 
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Embraer sets sights on China and India with latest jets​

Brazilian aircraft maker focuses on Asia-Pacific, seeking 100 deliveries in 2025
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Embraer's E195-E2 aircraft is undergoing the certification process in China. © Reuters
HIDETAKE MIYAMOTO, ARATA SHIGENO and YUSUKE HINATA, Nikkei staff writersApril 5, 2023 10:39 JST
SAO PAULO/TOKYO/GUANGZHOU -- Embraer, the world's third-largest aircraft supplier, plans to expand its footprint in the narrow-body passenger jet market in Asia, where demand is expected to take off.
By 2025, the Brazilian manufacturer aims to deliver 100 jets a year with up to roughly 150 seats. Asian markets, such as China and India, will be front and center of that strategy, CEO Francisco Gomes Neto said in an interview in Sao Paulo.
Embraer is a leader in commercial planes with fewer than 150 seats. Delivering 100 aircraft worldwide in a year would mark a 75% increase from last year's total.

The company has laid groundwork to deliver planes to China. In November, one of the latest in Embraer's E2 series, the E190-E2 commercial jet, won type certification -- approval of an aircraft's design for airworthiness and other standards -- from Chinese authorities. The E195-E2 is expected to receive type certification soon.
Embraer jets will compete in China with the ARJ21, made by the state-owned Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC). But Gomes Neto contends that the E2 family is superior, noting that it is "very efficient, very quiet and very comfortable."
New orders from China could be announced this month when Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva is due to visit China from April 12.
Meanwhile, the company is in talks with India airlines over passenger jets, and a contract could be signed "in 2024," said Gomes Neto. Embraer has yet to make any deliveries to India.
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Embraer is in talks with India airlines over passenger jets, according to CEO Francisco Gomes Neto. (Photo by Hidetake Miyamoto)
India and Embraer are also negotiating deliveries of warplanes. Embraer is considering opening a production site in India with a local counterpart if orders are secured.
The global market for 61- to 170-seat jets stands at 15,425 units between the years 2022 and 2041, according to industry researcher Japan Aircraft Development Corp. (JADC), with a value of $1.38 trillion.
The pandemic severely dented demand in 2020, but orders picked up again in 2021.
Embraer delivered 41 aircraft, including cargo planes, that year, according to JADC data, taking a commanding lead over Canadian rival Bombardier, which delivered three planes.
In China, Boeing and Airbus command strong shares in all aircraft, according to British market intelligence company Cirium. COMAC has taken a 2.2% slice, edging out Embraer's 2% share.
Embraer estimates global demand for 150-seat and smaller passenger planes will amount to around 8,500 units. The Asia-Pacific region, including China and India, will account for 2,200 units.
In North America, Embraer's main market, "we see a kind of stagnation" through 2025 due to a pilot shortage, said Gomes Neto. But in Asia-Pacific, "we see a lot of movements or sales -- very good opportunities for Embraer," he added.
Embraer's presence in Asia has been limited. Out of nearly 570 E-190 aircraft delivered, only 20% went to Asia-Pacific. The ratio sinks to 10% for the newer E2 series.
The Chinese government is pushing hard to develop the domestic passenger plane industry. Chinese airlines, which would be prospective buyers, are dealing with financial difficulties after weathering the country's zero-COVID policies.
The apparent trend to hold back investment in new planes is causing headwinds. Meanwhile, orders for aircraft are often used as diplomatic bargaining chips. For Embraer, Chinese companies will become powerful rivals.
The E2 series, which is between 97 and 146 seats, is staking a position between the COMAC ARJ21 (78-90 seats) and the soon-to-be-launched C919 (158-192 seats). Embraer will target airlines that are looking to decrease empty seats for regional connections while maximizing earnings on those routes.
China Southern Airlines, the country's biggest airline, has added Embraer aircraft to its fleet in the past.
In Japan, where Mitsubishi Heavy Industries recently decided to pull out of the regional jet business, domestic airlines are considering alternative models.

 
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Embraer & Mahindra announce signing of an MoU with objective of jointly fulfilling the acquisition of C-390 Millennium multimission aircraft by the Indian Air Force in its upcoming Medium Transport Aircraft (MTA) procurement project. MoU signed in New Delhi.
Embraer and Mahindra will engage with the Indian Air Force to identify the next steps of the MTA programme, as well as contact the local aerospace industry in India to start developing the industrialisation plan for the project.