Eurofighter Typhoon - Updates and Discussions

[RASALGHUL]

Pretty much everything these days. You call us Britshits and we were still willing to sell you a plane.

I was asking about Official Govt. policy Disagreement, Not some random Twitter jerk spouting for attention.

The people elected the government.

Yup, majority is on right side.

You've been keeping it in the hundreds lately, but based on cycles you're due another big one soon.

List of massacres in India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[BMD]

I was asking about Official Govt. policy Disagreement, Not some random Twitter jerk spouting for attention.

There's an awful lot of random twitter jerks and some on this forum... and your news.

Yup, majority is on right side.

But if the news is for the majority of people....

 

[randomradio]

But all Rafales built today are pre-wired for F5 and can be upgraded simply by adding equipment and updating the software. An operation that can be carried out during routine maintenance operations in one or two days per aircraft.

The F4 to F5 transition in terms of avionics is a bit too much to be called a simple upgrade, it's a new architecture and it's gonna cost money. Worse if the engine also needs a core replacement or a full replacement. The only thing left are a handful of secondary avionics and the airframe.

 

[randomradio]

They still have F-15s with AESA radar, which is more than Iran has. In fact they probably have more planes with AESA than India right now. By the next decade Saudi Arabia will likely have TF Kaans.

Like I said, those F-15s don't matter. You are not looking at things from 20+ years later. When we are in the 2040s, the F-15 and Typhoon will be useless birds, but Rafale will still be relevant alongside the F-35.

The Turks and Saudis hate each other. And it's cool, they can have the Kaans. Or even the Chinese stuff. But not Western, and not production. Everyone else offering production will only scam them.

Oil is used for more than fuel and the Saudis also have an investment fund.

Even if they have a wealth fund, their economy is wholly dependent on oil money. 75% of their fiscal revenue is oil money.

They were always terrorists and in supporting them, so were you.

No. They were rebels until they were designated as terrorists about 2 decades later.

In any case, there were many groups, not just the LTTE, so you don't know anything about this subject.

Sure I can. You're only as trustworthy as your last lie, and the absolute BS India has spouted on the Ukraine War via their media has reset your trust bar to negative infinity cubed.

Nah, we good, you bad.

Reverse the situation, say, Cuba, the same arguments will follow in favor of the US. Don't screw around with the neighbors of great powers.

Not sure I get your meaning here. Even at the peak of the troubles, there were never thousands being killed, let alone tens of thousands. Compare the worst IRA bombing with the anti-Sikh riots in 1984 - 3entire orders of magnitude different.

Why not compare the size of our populations? You wanna compare a country effectively built like Europe with 3 times as many people with a tiny little island where the UK couldn't keep the peace?

The IRA was foreign funded. Not all your separatist movements are foreign funded, you do not need foreign funding to promote separatism when you have sectarian pogroms killing thousands every decade.

All of them are foreign-funded. All. None of them have the ability to wage war on India on their own.

 

[randomradio]

Private media isn't Control by government.

That's not the case in the West.

Media is free only in India. Mainstream media in most of the West is controlled.

Here's an example. MSNBC refused to air Trump's speech in Iowa.

‘His Remarks Will Not Air Here Live’: MSNBC Refuses To Carry Trump’s Iowa Victory Speech

"There’s a reason we and other news organizations have stopped giving an unfiltered live platform to former President Trump,” said MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

www.forbes.com

His speech was excellent, that's why.

 

[BMD]

Like I said, those F-15s don't matter. You are not looking at things from 20+ years later. When we are in the 2040s, the F-15 and Typhoon will be useless birds, but Rafale will still be relevant alongside the F-35.

All Rafale had going for it was early integration of AESA, I know you'd like to think it's the most special aircraft in the world, but it isn't.

The Turks and Saudis hate each other. And it's cool, they can have the Kaans. Or even the Chinese stuff. But not Western, and not production. Everyone else offering production will only scam them.

They have deep economic and cultural ties.

Bilateral Political Relations between Türkiye and Saudi Arabia / Republic of Türkiye Ministry of Foreign Affairs

www.mfa.gov.tr

Even if they have a wealth fund, their economy is wholly dependent on oil money. 75% of their fiscal revenue is oil money.

And what will become of Russia by then. They have no economy outside the resources they export either.

No. They were rebels until they were designated as terrorists about 2 decades later.

A leopard does not change its spots.

In any case, there were many groups, not just the LTTE, so you don't know anything about this subject.

Yeah, yeah, you supported terrorists because they were Hindu terrorists.

Nah, we good, you bad.

No, you bloody terrible.

Reverse the situation, say, Cuba, the same arguments will follow in favor of the US. Don't screw around with the neighbors of great powers.

Cuba hasn't been invaded, that's why it's still a shithole dictatorship to this very day and everyone is trying to get on a boat to the US. The only issue with Cuba was the basing of MRBMs/IRBMs there, it still hosts a Russian spy base though.

Why not compare the size of our populations? You wanna compare a country effectively built like Europe with 3 times as many people with a tiny little island where the UK couldn't keep the peace?

More population, more police.

All of them are foreign-funded. All. None of them have the ability to wage war on India on their own.

The IRA was foreign funded too. The difference is that nobody else was killing anybody in 1922, when they began their terrorism, or in 1969. Whereas in India massive sectarian violence has raged ever since independence. Violence that doesn't even include terror organisations. In fact civilian criminal massacres have killed many more times more people than terrorist groups in India. Not the case in Northern Ireland, the IRA generated all the violence.

 

[randomradio]

All Rafale had going for it was early integration of AESA, I know you'd like to think it's the most special aircraft in the world, but it isn't.

You can believe what you want, but other jets aren't getting drones.

They have deep economic and cultural ties.

Bilateral Political Relations between Türkiye and Saudi Arabia / Republic of Türkiye Ministry of Foreign Affairs

www.mfa.gov.tr

Is that why the Saudis are arming Egypt against the Turks? And is that why the Turks are supporting Qatar against the Saudis?

And what will become of Russia by then. They have no economy outside the resources they export either.

Energy is only 25% of Russia's fiscal revenue. Their main earnings are non-oil.

Yeah, yeah, you supported terrorists because they were Hindu terrorists.

Lol. You have no idea what you're talking about.

No, you bloody terrible.

No. We are levitating so far above you on a moral plane, we can't even see you slithering on the ground.

Cuba hasn't been invaded, that's why it's still a shithole dictatorship to this very day and everyone is trying to get on a boat to the US. The only issue with Cuba was the basing of MRBMs/IRBMs there, it still hosts a Russian spy base though.

Sure. But it stays that way 'cause the Russians aren't bothering it. The US should have done the same with Ukraine.

More population, more police.

Not a lot.

India has 145 police for even 100k people. England and Wales have 227. Scotland needs 318. Northern Ireland has 362. Ireland has 293.

List of countries and dependencies by number of police officers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Looks like you guys need more batons to keep you in line.

The IRA was foreign funded too. The difference is that nobody else was killing anybody in 1922, when they began their terrorism, or in 1969. Whereas in India massive sectarian violence has raged ever since independence. Violence that doesn't even include terror organisations. In fact civilian criminal massacres have killed many more times more people than terrorist groups in India. Not the case in Northern Ireland, the IRA generated all the violence.

Local violence has little to do with the state. Regardless, the UK still has more separatism than India does.

 

[RASALGHUL]

That's not the case in the West.

Media is free only in India. Mainstream media in most of the West is controlled.

Here's an example. MSNBC refused to air Trump's speech in Iowa.

‘His Remarks Will Not Air Here Live’: MSNBC Refuses To Carry Trump’s Iowa Victory Speech

"There’s a reason we and other news organizations have stopped giving an unfiltered live platform to former President Trump,” said MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

www.forbes.com

Voluntary Decision to not air Trump speech is fine. If they didn't air speech because of Govt. Threats then it's a big problem & can be called Controlled.

His speech was excellent, that's why.

LoL! How so?? Because he didn't trash his opponents..

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

All Rafale had going for it was early integration of AESA, I know you'd like to think it's the most special aircraft in the world, but it isn't.

Check out this post:

MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions

To be fair, the SH is basically a new plane compared to the original F-18 even if it's based on the same design. Generally, if the roles are the similar then I don't see why you couldn't just use the reliable design and upgrade it with advanced materials, engines, enlarge the fuselage, etc. If...

www.strategicfront.org

Air Marshal Anil Chopra who is an Indian Air Force veteran fighter test pilot and is currently the Director-General of the Center for Air Power Studies in New Delhi is wondering whether some Rafale F5 will be able to take on some 400 fifth-generation J-20 Stealth Fighters in 2027.

After all, he's not a Frenchman and he knows the Rafale's capabilities better than you do, and you can find testimonials of this kind from all the customers that have been delivered: Egypt, Greece and Qatar. I think Rafale have to be a bit special for professionals to make such risky and flattering estimates about a foreign weapons system.

 

[BMD]

Check out this post:

MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions

To be fair, the SH is basically a new plane compared to the original F-18 even if it's based on the same design. Generally, if the roles are the similar then I don't see why you couldn't just use the reliable design and upgrade it with advanced materials, engines, enlarge the fuselage, etc. If...

www.strategicfront.org

Air Marshal Anil Chopra who is an Indian Air Force veteran fighter test pilot and is currently the Director-General of the Center for Air Power Studies in New Delhi is wondering whether some Rafale F5 will be able to take on some 400 fifth-generation J-20 Stealth Fighters in 2027.

After all, he's not a Frenchman and he knows the Rafale's capabilities better than you do, and you can find testimonials of this kind from all the customers that have been delivered: Egypt, Greece and Qatar. I think Rafale have to be a bit special for professionals to make such risky and flattering estimates about a foreign weapons system.

Opinion for the benefit of deterrence not fact.

 

[randomradio]

Voluntary Decision to not air Trump speech is fine. If they didn't air speech because of Govt. Threats then it's a big problem & can be called Controlled.

No, it's not fine. And that's the point. It wasn't aired because MSM is controlled.

LoL! How so?? Because he didn't trash his opponents..

He came off as level-headed and mature. That's Scary Trump.

It was a very important speech, basically the first speech of their next president, and they didn't air it.

 

[BMD]

You can believe what you want, but other jets aren't getting drones.

You should browse secretprojects more and you might actually know what you are talking about.

Is that why the Saudis are arming Egypt against the Turks? And is that why the Turks are supporting Qatar against the Saudis?

They were never on the brink of war. SO there was no arming necessary.

Egypt’s el-Sisi visits Turkey to cement thaw in relations

Sisi will meet Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who was in Cairo in February, as the pair seek to mend ties.

www.aljazeera.com

Energy is only 25% of Russia's fiscal revenue. Their main earnings are non-oil.

Yeah, the rest is gas, which is also being replaced.

Lol. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You supported terrorists, so you are not whiter than white when it comes to such things.

No. We are levitating so far above you on a moral plane, we can't even see you slithering on the ground.

You are lying to yourself, you don't see thousands dying in pogroms on our streets.

Sure. But it stays that way 'cause the Russians aren't bothering it. The US should have done the same with Ukraine.

The Russians bothered with it was much as they could, they give it aid and have a spy base there.

Not a lot.

India has 145 police for even 100k people. England and Wales have 227. Scotland needs 318. Northern Ireland has 362. Ireland has 293.

List of countries and dependencies by number of police officers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And how many soldiers?

Looks like you guys need more batons to keep you in line.

You are not in line though, that's the difference. Pogroms != in line.

Local violence has little to do with the state. Regardless, the UK still has more separatism than India does.

Zero 100+ dead sectarian pogroms. If we had something like the Gujarat Riots or Anti-Sikh massacres we would call them 'civil wars'.

 

[randomradio]

You should browse secretprojects more and you might actually know what you are talking about.

Sure, sure, all the yes-men in your fold.

They were never on the brink of war. SO there was no arming necessary.

Egypt’s el-Sisi visits Turkey to cement thaw in relations

Sisi will meet Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who was in Cairo in February, as the pair seek to mend ties.

www.aljazeera.com

And how many soldiers?

Soldiers depends on neighbors, genius, not the local population.

You are not in line though, that's the difference. Pogroms != in line.

Your people still need more regular beatings than our people.

Zero 100+ dead sectarian pogroms. If we had something like the Gujarat Riots or Anti-Sikh massacres we would call them 'civil wars'.

Sure, sure. I think you should give all them colonies their freedom.

 

[BMD]

Sure, sure, all the yes-men in your fold.

You would be aware of more developments. To say Rafale is the only plane getting drones is horsesh1t.

There was zero chance of a war.

Soldiers depends on neighbors, genius, not the local population.

Multi-task, you have lots of small civil wars at home.

Your people still need more regular beatings than our people.

VEry rare that people die though, and when they do there's an enquiry. If they did that in India, the cost of the enquiries would bankrupt you.

Sure, sure. I think you should give all them colonies their freedom.

What colonies? All democracies without pogroms. You got freedom and now you have pogroms.

 

[randomradio]

You would be aware of more developments. To say Rafale is the only plane getting drones is horsesh1t.

It is. Apart from NGAD and perhaps the F-35 a bit later on.

Tempest/GCAP isn't being developed as a family of systems, never mind the Typhoon. The US isn't serious about the F-15, so that's not gonna get it either.

Even if drones are attached to older jets, it's gonna be a long ways away, or not as capable. At least the Saudis will not get it.

But with the Rafale, it's a sure-shot.

There was zero chance of a war.

Sure.

Multi-task, you have lots of small civil wars at home.

Okay, okay.

VEry rare that people die though, and when they do there's an enquiry. If they did that in India, the cost of the enquiries would bankrupt you.

The UK has greater probability of breaking up than India. That says a lot already.

What colonies? All democracies without pogroms. You got freedom and now you have pogroms.

Sure, sure.

 

[RASALGHUL]

No, it's not fine. And that's the point. It wasn't aired because MSM is controlled.

Controlled by Who?

He came off as level-headed and mature. That's Scary Trump.

It was a very important speech, basically the first speech of their next president, and they didn't air it.

I doubt Trump is going to win.

 

[RASALGHUL]

Muslims creating a plural democratic system?

Yup! You need to get over your high moral ground.

The thing about democracy is, if there's no opposing force, then it will naturally decay into a far-left or far-right system.

Not sure,what do you understand by democracy.
For me, it's about protecting the smallest minorty i.e. an individual's inalienable rights like freedom of speech, expression, rule of law, etc.

And an Islamic society typically moves right. Look at Turkey.

It's blip on a large time scale.

Islam doesn't allow moderates to have a voice 'cause it prefers violence over debate. That's why there's no such thing as a "good" Muslim with power, they typically end up as a bystander while radicals take over and the society goes into a downward spiral.

Examples??

The only Muslim societies that do well are those under moderate leaders who practice authoritarianism like the ME kings, or when there's a powerful non-Muslim opposing force within society.

Indonesia, Tunisia, Turkey, Myanmar etc. Are doing fine.

 

[randomradio]

Controlled by Who?

Mr. Biden and his ilk.

Almost the entire MSM is leftist, so they openly support the Democrats. Hollywood is the same, it's resulted in a massive failure of pretty much all its movies in 2023. There's also a Chinese hand in both movies and gaming.

Here's an example.
Box office gross in 2023 looks like the one in 2013. But 2020 should have been the standard even in 2023.

2013 in film - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2023 in film - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2019 in film - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Only 1 film in 2019 out of 10 was below $1B. And in 2023, the only ones that did well were a Nolan film (meaning, incapable of interference) and Nintendo (meaning, Japanese). And of course a feminist-led Barbie. Hell, 2 in the top 10 were Chinese.

Disney failed to make even a single billion bucks film in 2023.

As for gaming, this is interesting:

You can see an example of a feminized man in the 4-5th minute. I have no clue why they are making game characters unattractive, don't see the angle here.

So people are fed up with this BS.

I doubt Trump is going to win.

As long as Trump is allowed to stand for elections, it's gonna be a landslide. The Democrats have destroyed so much of the US, both the social fabric and the economy, that even blacks and Hispanics are supporting the Republicans.

The feminization of men, feminism and the trans agenda have destroyed their society and of course the Democrats overdid the economic destruction of minorities, especially black economy. So all that's coming back to bite them.

Even illegal immigration. When the Texans were complaining, no one cared. But when leftist cities started filling up with immigrants, even the leftists have started showing concern.

Funny sh1t when it's their *censored* on fire.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Opinion for the benefit of deterrence not fact.

But his opinion is singularly favourable to France and the Rafale, that's the fact - he sounds like a fan boy! And then he says at least:

It has forward-hemisphere stealth and super-cruise capability.

We usually say that to prove that we're dealing with a fifth-generation aircraft, but it's likely that Anil Chopra wants us to understand that the Rafale is in the same category as the J-20.

 

[BMD]

But his opinion is singularly favourable to France and the Rafale, that's the fact - he sounds like a fan boy! And then he says at least:

Because that's what they're stuck with now.

We usually say that to prove that we're dealing with a fifth-generation aircraft, but it's likely that Anil Chopra wants us to understand that the Rafale is in the same category as the J-20.

...and Typhoon is in same category as X-Wing.