India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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vstol Jockey said:
This video is probably of the meetings which Pak Army had with Kabayali leaders to enlist their support in case the confrontation escalates to a full scale war. They had done the same thing in 1947 for invasion of J&K. A series of such meetings happened in KPK and Waziristan between 1-8th March.
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This is Tribal Laskar who is being condoled after suffering losses by the hands of TTP...
The traditions of the area dictate that any Pakistan army operation must be accompanied by a local tribal contingent..
At the end of the video you can hear then speaking Tribal Pushto not Kahmiri.
 
safriz said:
Even if i agree with your version.. Even then he was not in the news, Indian news i mean.. At the time India only acknowledged one plane shot down by Pakistan not two.
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Did you read the Dates of the write ups in links?

Are you mentally challenged to be unable to process the dates of the newspaper?

Or simply being a Pakistani? Lies, lies and lies. Delusions galore?

Just because you claim, it does not become true my dear ... and consider this a very soft warning. Because I think you are trolling and if that becomes a conviction, you are on thin ice.
 
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Falcon said:
Did you read the Dates of the write ups in links?

Are you mentally challenged to be unable to process the dates of the newspaper?

Or simply being a Pakistani? Lies, lies and lies. Delusions galore?

Just because you claim, it does not become true my dear ... and consider this a very soft warning. Because I think you are trolling and if that becomes a conviction, you are on thin ice.
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No..I remember Kargil as yesterday and dont remember any news on Indian TV about Ajay Ahuja.
and ... what thin ice?
Thats the problem with you Indians. When shown the mirror you cant take it.

Also read this and many other news..Only loss of one jet is Acknowledged by India.
Indian jets shot down by Pakistan

Both Migs were shot down the same day with same weapon, Shoulder mounted Anza.
One was acknowledged as India had no choice, the pilot was paraded on PTV. The other jet was never acknowledged..
You are welcome to post any news article links from that time in which India admits loss of a second jet?
I dont mind proven wrong, with good evidence.
 
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safriz said:
No..I remember Kargil as yesterday and dont remember any news on Indian TV about Ajay Ahuja.
and ... what thin ice?
Thats the problem with you Indians. When shown the mirror you cant take it.
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I remember it too

You have been given exact dates, with dateline of articles in two papers, one Indian and one US.

Now read it. Prove your claim that Indian media hid it and India did not accept body back.



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Either put up claims that Indian Govt did not accept loss of 02 pilots and aircrafts and never took back the body of Sqn Ldr Ahuja, and these reports are false and fabricated by the whole wide world to malign the pious Pakistanis.
 
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safriz said:
No..I remember Kargil as yesterday and dont remember any news on Indian TV about Ajay Ahuja.
and ... what thin ice?
Thats the problem with you Indians. When shown the mirror you cant take it.

Also read this and many other news..Only loss of one jet is Acknowledged by India.
Indian jets shot down by Pakistan

Both Migs were shot down the same day with same weapon, Shoulder mounted Anza.
One was acknowledged as India had no choice, the pilot was paraded on PTV. The other jet was never acknowledged..
You are welcome to post any news article links from that time in which India admits loss of a second jet?
I dont mind proven wrong, with good evidence.
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I remember it as Nachiketa going down due to gas ingestion in engine and Ahuja was shot down. Was reported widely when it happened.
 
safriz said:
This is Tribal Laskar who is being condoled after suffering losses by the hands of TTP...
The traditions of the area dictate that any Pakistan army operation must be accompanied by a local tribal contingent..
At the end of the video you can hear then speaking Tribal Pushto not Kahmiri.
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Did I ever call them Kashmiri?
 
Falcon said:
I remember it too

You have been given exact dates, with dateline of articles in two papers, one Indian and one US.

Now read it. Prove your claim that Indian media hid it and India did not accept body back.



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You are caught lying again.

And thin ice is, your privileges to post on this thread will be put on hold, as you are displaying a resolve to ruin a perfectly fine thread into a troll fest, by being what the usual crap we have in PDF. We are not interested in bullshit.

Either put up claims that Indian Govt did not accept loss of 02 pilots and aircrafts and never took back the body of Sqn Ldr Ahuja, and these reports are false and fabricated by the whole wide world to malign the pious Pakistanis, or accept you are just masquerading.

Do not tell me the crap you posted earlier, of having undergone any kind of probation/been on assignment. Those trained, do not make such elementary mistakes. Done enough humoring you.
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Great.
So India did acknowledge both pilots being shot down?
 
@safriz

India said we attacked bnb balakot terror camp.....
Pakistan said India attacked Balakot
Pakistan said bombs fell on a valley and few trees were damaged and a crow died
India said 80% of bombs hit the target (Most probably 4/5)
India did not deny that the bomb fell in valley... could be the 20% India mentioned...
Everyone knows and agrees that there is a madrassah at jabba hill top
India says it hit the building in jabba top

Why cant Pakistan take the journalists to the hill top which is not very far away from where the crow's body found?

Why the weather in jabba top is so bad that no one is allowed?

Can you answer these questions without prejudice
 
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safriz said:
This is Tribal Laskar who is being condoled after suffering losses by the hands of TTP...
The traditions of the area dictate that any Pakistan army operation must be accompanied by a local tribal contingent..
At the end of the video you can hear then speaking Tribal Pushto not Kahmiri.
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Initially is was sceptical of that video being old but thanks to one of your idiot he revealed original source and this video is definitely not old instead 2nd March or before just after air strikes.

https://www.facebook.com/militarymeme/posts/2282092295392248

Martyred soldiers Havaldar Abdul Rab and Naik Khurram laid to rest with full military honours

How much more will you lie?
 
BlackOpsIndia said:
@Falcon with due deference sir I strongly belive whatever action against terrorists we want will be cosmetic, maybe a step up from previous times with the kind of pressure they are in today but I have no doubt that it will be just a tactical retreat, once things settled down Pakistan will be back in bed with terrorists, I have no doubt about it.

They are biding their time and they won't change a bit instead will come back with greater animosity towards us for putting them in this suffering and humiliation.

There are no easy solutions to this, we are trapped in a war where there is no easy exit except becoming a madman, except going after the top leadership again and again (not of terrorists but Pakistani military establishment) they most certainly will try same and we will lose few top people too but when it will start affecting the masterminds and their families they will think twice.

Other way is we keep playing this like we are doing and focusing on economy, keep Pakistan engaged in security problems, still ready to take few blows (will public accept?) be ready to lose elections for not paying back in same coin and maybe after 12-15 years when gap between us and Pakistan is monumental we go for a final squeeze, with our standing we may not even need burning our diplomatic capital to put Pakistani top leadership on tight leash.
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Similar thoughts :giggle: :
'If we stop this now, they will attack with us reinvigorated force': Former COAS Gen Bikram Singh on Balakot strikes
 
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safriz said:
Great.
So India did acknowledge both pilots being shot down?
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India acknowledged losing 02 x pilots. 01 x Mig 21 shot down, 01 x Mig 27 lost due to engine failure. Loss of two aircrafts was acknowledged. Pakistani claims of shooting both down? Not.

Your contention that Sqn Ldr Ajay Ahuja was not acknowledged, is false, and based on lies & outright obfuscation/denial of facts that are the hallmark of Pakistani Military since ever. But what is more appalling is to note that you have no iota of proof to back what you are saying and typically exemplifying the attitude of your establishment, you are ignoring what is put forth to you.

It is understood that as a national of your country, you are bound to put forth your country's viewpoint and defend it. It is not only expected, but creditable. But do not assume that facts can be reconstructed and you will not be called out for that.

My last words on it.
 
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Falcon said:
India acknowledged losing 02 x pilots. 01 x Mig 21 shot down, 01 x Mig 27 lost due to engine failure. Loss of two aircrafts was acknowledged. Pakistani claims of shooting both down? Not.

Your contention that Sqn Ldr Ajay Ahuja was not acknowledged, is false, and based on lies & outright obfuscation/denial of facts that are the hallmark of Pakistani Military since ever. But what is more appalling is to note that you have no iota of proof to back what you are saying and typically exemplifying the attitude of your establishment, you are ignoring what is put forth to you.

It is understood that as a national of your country, you are bound to put forth your country's viewpoint and defend it. It is not only expected, but creditable. But do not assume that facts can be reconstructed and you will not be called out for that.

My last words on it.
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Speaking about loss of Pilots, I can only imagine the pilots must have been with their squadron mates for decades, the bond must be very strong between them. Can you imagine loosing one of your best Pilot's, and your own country does not even acknowledge his sacrifice? That really must be a downer on the moral.

I wonder if we can analyse all the recent videos of PAF pilots bragging and check their body language. Maybe something might come out.
 
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