India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Arsalan123 said:
Dawood in bahawalpur? You guys said Karachi.
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He said "like" i e no point in eliminating Masood Azhar like dawood. Anyways why would we eliminate Masood Azhar or Hafeez Saeed when their videos calling for terrorism are useful in Shaming u on international platforms.
UN designated terrorist roaming freely on Pakistani streets is a useful Propaganda for us
 
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Deathstar said:
He said "like" i e no point in eliminating Masood Azhar like dawood. Anyways why would we eliminate Masood Azhar or Hafeez Saeed when their videos calling for terrorism are useful in Shaming u on international platforms.
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We will get out of this situation.we need some twists in Afghanistan and may be tricks to bend America on our side.right now,America is treating us like a hostile country.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Dawood in bahawalpur? You guys said Karachi.
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No. I gave an example.

The reason why Ajmal Kasab was kept alive, why Dawood is allowed to live.

In case of Ajmal Kasab, everytime Pakistan denied involvement, he was given as an example by India and others. That allowed a sustained diplomatic pressure on Pakistan.

In case of Dawood Ibrahim, we achieve two objectives. Leaving intact an organized crime syndicate that is known and whose trails are generally known and secondly, his presence in Pakistan is always an useful stick to beat Pakistan with.

Bloody strange thing - politics and international relations. :)
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Dawood in bahawalpur? You guys said Karachi.
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In 2008, in another avtaar in the other forum, I had made a statement that India had told US about presence of OBL in Quetta back in 2004. US did not do anything. It was not in their interest to do anything then as they used OBL as a stick to beat Pakistan with.

When the US started looking to disengage and move out under President Obama, they eliminated him. Because they could not disengage and President Obama had promised a draw down of troops. He needed a "win"
 
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Arsalan123 said:
We will get out of this situation.we need some twists in Afghanistan and may be tricks to bend America on our side.right now,America is treating us like a hostile country.
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Hafeez Saeed waa designated terrorist in 2008 when US was your biggest ally. Fortunately OBL was found in Pakistan. Americans havent forgotten Pakistani duplicity
 
Some days ago,I was worried about all out war but now I don't believe it.our weapons,your weapons,they are total destruction.i know indian army is doing great on loc and we aren't replying in the same way.i think we aren't replying because we don't want to escalate or may be we are facing other problems.we both have destructive weapons.even a small grenade can bring destruction so I believe in iaf and paf air Superiority game.they must fight hard.

Deathstar said:
Hafeez Saeed waa designated terrorist in 2008 when US was your biggest ally. Fortunately OBL was found in Pakistan. Americans havent forgotten Pakistani duplicity
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I agree but I still feel that cia knew everything.i mean they are in our system.we punished two generals because they were working for cia so cia knows everything.i agree with falcon that Obama wanted to eliminate Osama so that he can win election.americans knew about Osama whereabouts.they wanted to kill him in Pakistan and it was turning point.this humiliated us in front of the whole world so I don't trust America or cia now.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Some days ago,I was worried about all out war but now I don't believe it.our weapons,your weapons,they are total destruction.i know indian army is doing great on loc and we aren't replying in the same way.i think we aren't replying because we don't want to escalate or may be we are facing other problems.we both have destructive weapons.even a small grenade can bring destruction so I believe in iaf and paf air Superiority game.they must fight hard.
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Your comments and thinking unpredictable ..few days ago u were celebrating saying pak army firing ATGM like bullet now saying IA is doing gr8 , you guys not responding.
 
RajibJ said:
Your comments and thinking unpredictable ..few days ago u were celebrating saying pak army firing ATGM like bullet now saying IA is doing gr8 , you guys not responding.
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sometimes we attack with full force just like you but most of the times,we don't reply.this is happening at loc.i read news of every day so overall we aren't responding in the same way.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Some days ago,I was worried about all out war but now I don't believe it.our weapons,your weapons,they are total destruction.i know indian army is doing great on loc and we aren't replying in the same way.i think we aren't replying because we don't want to escalate or may be we are facing other problems.we both have destructive weapons.even a small grenade can bring destruction so I believe in iaf and paf air Superiority game.they must fight hard.
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Diplomacy is working against Pakistan, there is no need for war.

And for war to happen, India's GDP must become big enough to start influencing the world, like China's is. Then nobody will say anything regardless of what we do in Pakistan. At that point, as far as the world is concerned, even Pakistan will become India's "internal" problem, if you get what I mean. It is after all an unfinished business of partition.
 
Arsalan123 said:
I agree but I still feel that cia knew everything.i mean they are in our system.we punished two generals because they were working for cia so cia knows everything.i agree with falcon that Obama wanted to eliminate Osama so that he can win election.americans knew about Osama whereabouts.they wanted to kill him in Pakistan and it was turning point.this humiliated us in front of the whole world so I don't trust America or cia now.
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I agree US knew where OBL was , Pakistan was made a Bali ka Bakra and Kayani actually betrayed his country. I dont believe that Americans failed to kill him in 10 years , he was a good excuse to invade Afghanistan and build military bases there.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
I agree but I still feel that cia knew everything.i mean they are in our system.we punished two generals because they were working for cia so cia knows everything.i agree with falcon that Obama wanted to eliminate Osama so that he can win election.americans knew about Osama whereabouts.they wanted to kill him in Pakistan and it was turning point.this humiliated us in front of the whole world so I don't trust America or cia now.
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So, you have no issues with Pakistan hosting Osama..? :)
 
Deathstar said:
I agree US knew where OBL was , Pakistan was made a Bali ka Bakra and Kayani actually betrayed his country. I dont believe that Americans failed to kill him in 10 years , he was a good excuse to invade Afghanistan and build military bases there.
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There is actually a few really good read ups on how the US dropped the ball in getting OBL during the Battle of Tora Bora in 2001. Its a mildly popular conspiracy that the battle was orchestrated in a way to intentionally let OBL get away so they could continue and expand the 'War on Terror' into other nations but the consequences were very far reaching. It might be one of the greatest failures made early on and a direct cause for the high civilian causalities over the next decade in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Imagine how the timeline would have changed if OBL was killed in 2001.

@Sulla84 ; @Arsalan123
 
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