India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Falcon said:
2. I don't even feel like laughing. 155 mm will not make a ripple in the larger yields which were tested. Sub-kiloton yields were not as a result of 'failures' but because of deliberate calibration of weapons to suit the doctrine of "Fighting & Winning a Nuclear War in South Asian Battlefield" propounded by the foremost authority on NBC warfare at the time, who visits this forum too.
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The question that should be bothering the people who are in doubt

Is

" why where the nukes detonated simultaneously " ( in two separate groups ) ?

Was there any practical benefits vis a vis the nuclear warhead technology ?

as far as I am concerned no , because simultaneously detonation is concerned ( implemented ) with the external firing mechanism , and not concerned with the detonation mechanism of the nukes themselves.

so why did the planners went with simultaneous firing scheme , since it does not offer any practical ( real life ) benefits when it comes to the nukes themselves ?

unless it was a measure intended to serve some ulterior motives isn't it ? ( Eg Signature masking of nukes / no of nukes , obscuration of data logging and post test analysis by foreign assets etc ) :geek:

You claim of 7 instead of 5 is one strong reason .

Anyways this explanation should help to address some of the doubts in people who might question the possibility of 7 instead of 5.
 
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screambowl said:
To reduce the hazards in atmosphere

Detonating 5 or 7 in one day is insane, when either the wind direction is towards urban area.
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If I detonate 5 nukes Underground seperately , seperated by time period of few seconds or even few minutes

And

If I detonate 5 nukes underground simultaneously

What difference will it make on the amount of hazards and adversarial effects if any

Each Nuke will produce it's specific quantum of fallout irrespective of, if it is detonated individually or simultaneously

In underground tests leakage of fallout is bare minimum if not zero so the excuse of reduction of hazards in the atmosphere is not relevant , even more irrelevant in the context of it being a reason to the decision , that nukes are to be detonated individually or simultaneously.

Atmospherics is factored into the tests both predicted and realtime before any detonation , go ahead with firing sequence is never given if weather conditions are not conducive at any given time , so the argument of wind direction being the reason is not relevant perse, especially wrt individual detonation or simultaneous detonation.
 
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hellbent said:
Each Nuke will produce it's specific quantum of fallout irrespective of, if it is detonated individually or simultaneously
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hellbent said:
go ahead with firing sequence is never given if weather conditions are not conducive at any given time , so the argument of wind direction being the reason is not relevant perse, especially wrt individual detonation or simultaneous detonation.
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If all five are detonated simultaneous the concentration of neutrons and other rays will be higher. Each test would have interfered with the reading of fallout and immediate radiation of other test and the tests would make no sense. Even if it is an underground test, the nearest civil population is just few kilometers away. I was of an opinion that India should have conducted the test at sea as well.

This is why the first was thermonuclear device, the second was implosion type most probably with levitated hollow Pu239 pit and third one was linear implosion type with non weapon grade fuel.

This third one was the tactical weapon. linear implosion is what you require for a 155 or 208mm artillery shell.

4th and 5th were experimental devices. The 5th one was to see whether U233 can be used to put in the pit, as it is hazardous to handle and can be enriched from Th232 which India has in abundance. More of a metallurgy side.
 
screambowl said:
If all five are detonated simultaneous the concentration of neutrons and other rays will be higher. Each test would have interfered with the reading of fallout and immediate radiation of other test and the tests would make no sense. Even if it is an underground test, the nearest civil population is just few kilometers away. I was of an opinion that India should have conducted the test at sea as well.

This is why the first was thermonuclear device, the second was implosion type most probably with levitated hollow Pu239 pit and third one was linear implosion type with non weapon grade fuel.

This third one was the tactical weapon. linear implosion is what you require for a 155 or 208mm artillery shell.

4th and 5th were experimental devices. The 5th one was to see whether U233 can be used to put in the pit, as it is hazardous to handle and can be enriched from Th232 which India has in abundance. More of a metallurgy side.
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This is my last reply on the subject so let me make it count.

If all five are detonated simultaneous the concentration of neutrons and other rays will be higher.
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Sir that might happen if all 5 were detonated in the same shaft .

All 5 were detonated at different shafts at appropriate distances from each other.

Underground testing negates emission of harmful rays and fallout , the very reason why underground testing is preferred.

Also if read my previous post you would have noted this

" why where the nukes detonated simultaneously " ( in two separate groups ) ? "

All 5 were not detonated simultaneously , according to official accounts

1st group - 3 devices were detonated simultaneously

Then the

2nd group - 2 devices were detonated simultaneously


Each test would have interfered with the reading of fallout and immediate radiation of other test and the tests would make no sense.
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Yes for the layman's like me and you it won't make sense , but for the scientists who planned and carried out the tests , it would make sense.

Each shaft ( each nuke ) had its own sensors to record the data right at ground zero immediate to detonation ie within a fraction of a second and transmit the same before it got destroyed.

Also any sensors outside the shafts at a safe distance from all the nukes would have recorded everything from the simultaneous detonations. But Since the nukes were of different types and yield, the scientists would have been more than capable of isolating the specifics pertaining to each individual nuke and pinpointing the same from the collected data.
 
hellbent said:
All 5 were not detonated simultaneously , according to official accounts
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What is simultaneous for them only they know who conducted it, there is no data at my disposal as it's one of the most guarded secrets of India

hellbent said:
1st group - 3 devices were detonated simultaneously

Then the

2nd group - 2 devices were detonated simultaneously
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one reason is radiation prevention that's for sure and all of three were detected

other reason I could assume is material used in the pit.
U233 in 5th was something uncommon.
 
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