India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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STEPHEN COHEN said:
But a Spice Bomb will cause a Lot of Destruction

A 68 K Shell is Worth it if it can Knock out a
A Single 155 mm Gun , which is nearly worth 2 Million dollars
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Artillery is used to either to direct fire on the target or indirect fire on the target.

Direct fire is what we saw during battle of Tiger hill, the guns were at 6-7km and aimed at the peak firing straight at the hill, the target was visible.

Indirect fire is when you are firing in the sky and the shell if falling on the target. Target may be behind the mountain.

ExCal PGA is needed sometimes for indirect fire, otherwise normal ammo is sufficient.
 
jetray said:
Irrespective of what it does or worth , whatever product is sold by US is always going to be expensive for us. US sells product from a value added perspective to make more money not from economy of scale.

Even if they sell two goats or biryani out of goat, it will still cost more than elsewhere.
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But the Goat will be organic fed, well taken care of and will make incredible biryani.
But if we were smarter, we would breed them with local bakri's and avoid future goat imports.
 
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randomradio said:
It's a PGM. GPS + INS. Another version is LGB.
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Suppose DRDO also developed an Excalibur like Shell

How much would it Cost here internally
screambowl said:
Artillery is used to either to direct fire on the target or indirect fire on the target.

Direct fire is what we saw during battle of Tiger hill, the guns were at 6-7km and aimed at the peak firing straight at the hill, the target was visible.

Indirect fire is when you are firing in the sky and the shell if falling on the target. Target may be behind the mountain.

ExCal PGA is needed sometimes for indirect fire, otherwise normal ammo is sufficient.
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I dont see Excalibur being used against Bunkers

And Radars are not so close to LOC

So that leaves only one Target -- Enemy Artillery positions

Now who would Authorize its usage and Above All what about Accountability

Because the Top Brass would like to immediately know the Results
 
Jaymax said:
You dont need to bring it all down. A fracture in the wall and water pressure will do the rest.
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Easy way, cause a big enough landslide into the catchment area bombarding nearby cliffs. Easier way, hit the catchment area with fused charges ( something like a depth charge) it would weaken the structure inoperable over time. Dams are designed with 1.5 failsafe value.
 
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Paro said:
Easy way, cause a big enough landslide into the catchment area bombarding nearby cliffs.
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This can do damage in more than one way. A landslide on to the catchment area would cause a dramatic increase in mud, slit and other impurities in water. This inturn will damage turbine blades and related equipment if the dam continues operation. They would need to shut down operation and clean the water before resuming operation again. There is no need to hit the dam physically just cause a landslide. If the dam isn't directly hit we can borrow from Pakistan's book and exercise plausible deniability.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
Conventional 155 Mm shells cost 1000 USD per shell , So the question is whether an Excalibur
Really Worth it at 68 K per shell
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$68,000 per shell is expensive. but can a conventional shell act like a Quasi PGM without the need of having jets/bomber airborne, and hitting designated targets with <2m CEP ?
 
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This can do damage in more than one way. A landslide on to the catchment area would cause a dramatic increase in mud, slit and other impurities in water. This inturn will damage turbine blades and related equipment if the dam continues operation. They would need to shut down operation and clean the water before resuming operation again. There is no need to hit the dam physically just cause a landslide. If the dam isn't directly hit we can borrow from Pakistan's book and exercise plausible deniability.
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Not exactly. The dam will have an emergency canal and silt doors to drench the mud. They would immediately close the gates to the turbines and open the silt doors. That will flush out all the floating undissolved debris. The dams are designed to do that. this all will happen in minutes. trubines will be safe.
 
Paro said:
Not exactly. The dam will have an emergency canal and silt doors to drench the mud. They would immediately close the gates to the turbines and open the silt doors. That will flush out all the floating undissolved debris. The dams are designed to do that. this all will happen in minutes. trubines will be safe.
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Or we can carry out Operation Chastise.
 
Paro said:
Not exactly. The dam will have an emergency canal and silt doors to drench the mud. They would immediately close the gates to the turbines and open the silt doors. That will flush out all the floating undissolved debris. The dams are designed to do that. this all will happen in minutes. trubines will be safe.
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Yep that would be true in most cases. Not for the Himalayan rivers though. The method you mentioned is very effective if the density of the impurities and the size is very high. In case of the Himalayan rivers the silt is very fine, thus density separation doesn't really work. We've conducted multi year studies on this issue even gone to the extent of designing special turbines to tackle this problem. Its pretty well documented :

Silt erosion...trouble for turbines - International Water Power

Detrimental effects of tiny silt particles on large hydro power stations and some remedies - ScienceDirect

There are many research papers from various IITs on it, not to mention BHEL, L&T etc. This is all I could find from a quick google search. We are argueably the only country researching this. Because it effects us greatly and no other country that is effected by it can actually design turbines.
 
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Look like Pakistan has chickened out..... And for time being they are not planning anything or they dont have anything workable......

My feeling is, They will respond to us in a different way.... which will be tough to handle... I could see few examples already in the country....Dont want to discuss it here now...
 
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Time to close this thread as 2019 draws to a close in two months @nair .
I doubt PA has time for wars, They are well settled in Fauji Foundation factories & selling corner plots in real estate.
Pakistan... what a pity. They feed this huge army with their blood and when the time comes they find out PA doesn't have pair.
 
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nair said:
Look like Pakistan has chickened out..... And for time being they are not planning anything or they dont have anything workable......

My feeling is, They will respond to us in a different way.... which will be tough to handle... I could see few examples already in the country....Dont want to discuss it here now...
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Keep an eye out on news in Bangladesh.
 
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Yep that would be true in most cases. Not for the Himalayan rivers though. The method you mentioned is very effective if the density of the impurities and the size is very high. In case of the Himalayan rivers the silt is very fine, thus density separation doesn't really work. We've conducted multi year studies on this issue even gone to the extent of designing special turbines to tackle this problem. Its pretty well documented :

Silt erosion...trouble for turbines - International Water Power

Detrimental effects of tiny silt particles on large hydro power stations and some remedies - ScienceDirect

There are many research papers from various IITs on it, not to mention BHEL, L&T etc. This is all I could find from a quick google search. We are argueably the only country researching this. Because it effects us greatly and no other country that is effected by it can actually design turbines.
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This is good stuff.
 
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