Indian Air Force : Updates & Discussions

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They're apparently worried about tech leaks by India to countries like Russia. Truth is Japan's own track record is dodgy as far as tech leaks go. One reason why the US refused to sell them the F-22.

That's just an excuse. The real reason is they do not want to piss off China. It's the same reason SoKo quit P-75I.
 
Seriously?? Do they not realize that no matter what they do ,China expects full subservience from both japan and SOKO....??
what's logic behind this?

SoKo seeks neutrality when it comes to China's problems with other powers. They were following the same plan with Russia, but was derailed due to the war. There's still an opportunity for them to fix things, 'cause Russia is amenable to that.

Japan has the same rule with Russia, and the current situation can be reversed. And they have decided to maintain some level of neutrality between China and India specifically, reciprocating our own stance in East Asia, but have openly supported Taiwan. I guess they do not want to take up more headaches than what they already have. So they are allied with India in the civilian and diplomatic space to counter China, but do not want to go beyond that.
 
That's just an excuse. The real reason is they do not want to piss off China. It's the same reason SoKo quit P-75I.
Sure looks like it from the way SoKo delayed the deployment of THAAD on its territory under Chinese pressure. Japan though has been openly backing Taiwan, diplomatically and militarily.

Reports say MHI secretly provided design help for Taiwan's SSK program with the first boat hitting the water recently.
 
Sure looks like it from the way SoKo delayed the deployment of THAAD on its territory under Chinese pressure. Japan though has been openly backing Taiwan, diplomatically and militarily.

Reports say MHI secretly provided design help for Taiwan's SSK program with the first boat hitting the water recently.

Yep, SoKo cannot afford to become enemies with China, and Japan cannot afford Taiwan to fall into China's hands, or they are next. And India has no interest in interfering in East Asia.

It's actually much worse for them because India wants China and the US distracted in East Asia, leaving the IOR, Africa, Myanmar, and the ME in India's hands.

And the others would prefer China is distracted by India, hence their need to cosy up to us via QUAD (and now a new group called SQUAD), which we did not fall for. They just wanna drag India into their squabbles.
 
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Yep, SoKo cannot afford to become enemies with China, and Japan cannot afford Taiwan to fall into China's hands, or they are next. And India has no interest in interfering in East Asia.

It's actually much worse for them because India wants China and the US distracted in East Asia, leaving the IOR, Africa, Myanmar, and the ME in India's hands.

And the others would prefer China is distracted by India, hence their need to cosy up to us via QUAD (and now a new group called SQUAD), which we did not fall for. They just wanna drag India into their squabbles.
Doesn't matter. Neither QUAD nor SQUAD are formal military alliances. The world knows we are a non-aligned nation. And we know all too well that nobody will come to our aid in the event of a war with China. In 1962, the US refused to send troops, despite GoI sending them an SoS.
 
Doesn't matter. Neither QUAD nor SQUAD are formal military alliances. The world knows we are a non-aligned nation. And we know all too well that nobody will come to our aid in the event of a war with China. In 1962, the US refused to send troops, despite GoI sending them an SoS.
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Unnecessarily emotional response.
US refused to send troops, despite GoI sending them an SoS
Nehru begged like a bitch for american help after insulting them in their faces for years. He sucked upto Chinese to such an extreme extent of forever giving up claims to Tibet for nothing concrete in return. Only to get invaded in 1962.
Anyways, the american help was material, no way US would send troops anyway. You need to get your narrative correct.


1962 war- US helped india
1965 war- US was neutral
1971 war- US sided notionally with Pakistan but didn't give them much help

Ironically, pakistanis cry that US refused to help them in 1971, same emotional nonsense ignoring their actions(genocide). We have similar emotional people here who will ignore our govts actions to further the victimhood narrative.

nobody will come to our aid in the event of a war with China
This narrative is famous in online circles, meanwhile Indian bureaucrats who run the Defense Ministry to people who work under NSA are thanking US for their help against chinese incursions. There was a conference {raisina maybe ???) where 1 babu was prostrating infront of american official. completey submissive & thankful for their help. Complete 180 degree difference in reality vs narrative.
Diversifying supply chains is the help. Why do you think western companies are expanding their supply chain here??? Why is apple making iphones in india???
 
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Unnecessarily emotional response.

Nehru begged like a bitch for american help after insulting them in their faces for years. He sucked upto Chinese to such an extreme extent of forever giving up claims to Tibet for nothing concrete in return. Only to get invaded in 1962.
Anyways, the american help was material, no way US would send troops anyway. You need to get your narrative correct.


1962 war- US helped india
1965 war- US was neutral
1971 war- US sided notionally with Pakistan but didn't give them much help

Ironically, pakistanis cry that US refused to help them in 1971, same emotional nonsense ignoring their actions(genocide). We have similar emotional people here who will ignore our govts actions to further the victimhood narrative.


This narrative is famous in online circles, meanwhile Indian bureaucrats who run the Defense Ministry to people who work under NSA are thanking US for their help against chinese incursions. There was a conference {raisina maybe ???) where 1 babu was prostrating infront of american official. completey submissive & thankful for their help. Complete 180 degree difference in reality vs narrative.
Diversifying supply chains is the help. Why do you think western companies are expanding their supply chain here??? Why is apple making iphones in india???

Nehru was a charlatan, he had no respect in the US.

And the US did not help in 1962, their agenda was to control the situation due to the ongoing Cuban Missile Crisis. They tricked us and sold us off to the Chinese.

The US wasn't neutral in 1965 or 1971, they just did not take action in 1965 'cause the Pakistanis went against US dictates. And they ensured we do not go through the second phase of the war in 1971, ie, taking back Kashmir.

The US diversifying supply chains is not help, it's an economic decision.
 
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Nehru was a charlatan, he had no respect in the US.

And the US did not help in 1962, their agenda was to control the situation due to the ongoing Cuban Missile Crisis. They tricked us and sold us off to the Chinese.

The US wasn't neutral in 1965 or 1971, they just did not take action in 1965 'cause the Pakistanis went against US dictates. And they ensured we do not go through the second phase of the war in 1971, ie, taking back Kashmir.

The US diversifying supply chains is not help, it's an economic decision.
Delusion & willfully wrong reading of history to harm Indian interests.

I going to ignore you from now on because everything you say is too neck deep into conspiracies for me. You have consistently shown more loyalty towards defending russian interests over Indian interests. I hope you atleast get paid for so much effort to further russian interests even at the cost of harming indian interests
 
Unnecessarily emotional response.

Ironically, pakistanis cry that US refused to help them in 1971, same emotional nonsense ignoring their actions(genocide). We have similar emotional people here who will ignore our govts actions to further the victimhood narrative.

I'm only stating facts. The US and India have never been treaty allies. So whether we get any direct help from them in wartime depends completely on the whims of the GOTUS of the day. Given our stance on the Ukraine War, EU officials have openly asked why anybody should help us in case of war with China. The messaging is clear.

Nehru begged like a bitch for american help after insulting them in their faces for years. He sucked upto Chinese to such an extreme extent of forever giving up claims to Tibet for nothing concrete in return. Only to get invaded in 1962.
Anyways, the american help was material, no way US would send troops anyway. You need to get your narrative correct.
The Non-Alignment Movement was Nehru's idea. He was naive in thinking the US would be drawn into a war on our behalf without getting something in return. Trump is only spelling out what has been US policy for decades. Their material help was not nearly enough for the uphill task we faced in 1962.

Diversifying supply chains is the help. Why do you think western companies are expanding their supply chain here??? Why is apple making iphones in india???
The same reason why US companies flocked to India to outsource ITES/BPO services back in the 2000s - cheap talent, low overheads. However, they will be cautious with tech transfers to Indian cos. They don't want to create another competitor like China.
 
China is operationalizing one aircraft every 2 year. What our Ba***ds do is giving excuses after excuses. Kick their A***s and ask them to quite if they can not deliver. Jorawar has set an example of what our private sectors can do. Top class Tank was bought in in just 2 years. One year for testing. Operational in 3 year after go ahead is something like dream come true. We should follow the same path and ditch public sectors. they have done more harm to nation than enemies. Confine them to just research. Let private sectors copartner in research and production should exclusive be done by private sectors.