K-series Missiles: News and Discussions

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Imo, A4/5 were built on a solid foundation established by the naval K-15/4 missile family. Lighter composites and miniaturization was essential for the compact confines of sub VLS. The K-15 itself evolved into the Shaurya and eventually the Pralay.

The K-series was a separate program and, at one point, DRDO was even considering standardizing on the K-series, in both land and sub-launched strategic roles.

Sandeep Unnithan wrote a piece on this back in 2010 and now it's been put behind a paywall, all these years later!




 
It already has. In the PDV. As a solid fuel missile, it probably wouldn't take much to turn it into an SRBM. Kinda like what the USN is doing with SM-6.

If it's not too much to ask, could you post any images (sanitised, of course) of the K4 emerging from the water?

The only pic/gif that exists shows the K4 nose cap motor pull it out the water before the first stage kicks in. Is that really the case or is it gas bubble (cannister in missile tube) like most other SLBMs?

Of course, hence they call it nose mounted booster probably

 
In June 2023, MIDHANI had produced >2.5 m rings made out of "TiTaN-31" alloy. The TiTaN-31 alloy's formula was produced by DMRL & productionized by MIDHANI. MIDHANI says that these rings were made for space applications.


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By "space applications", they probably mean a satellite launch vehicle. This ring will probably be at the interstage of the launch vehicle & will house electronics, guidance, sensors & stage separation equipment.

Right now, India has 2 space launchers under development: NGLV & Veda. As we know now, the NGLV will have a uniform diameter of 5m. So, these rings were meant for Veda then.

We don't know much about the Veda. But we know that it will not have a uniform diameter. We also know that the Veda will get its stages from Indian ICBMs/SLBMs.
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The largest of our ICBMs/SLBMs so far have a diameter ~2m. So, this 2.5m ring must be for a new stage of an upcoming ICBM or SLBM. So either A6 or K5.

In June/July 2024, ASL had released a tender for the fabrication of rubber seals & end support rings for A5, A1P & K5 missiles. Thanks @marich01 for this:
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Notice the nomenclature "K5S1C". This probably means K5 missile-Stage 1-CRMC type solid stage. Here the inter diameter is shown as 2418mm or 2.418 m. This is the outer diameter of the CRMC. Therefore a 2.5 m interstage ring on this stage is very plausible.

@marich01 hypothesized some months ago that Veda is probably K5's 1st stage mated with A5's or K4's 2nd stage. I think he is right.
 
In June 2023, MIDHANI had produced >2.5 m rings made out of "TiTaN-31" alloy. The TiTaN-31 alloy's formula was produced by DMRL & productionized by MIDHANI. MIDHANI says that these rings were made for space applications.


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By "space applications", they probably mean a satellite launch vehicle. This ring will probably be at the interstage of the launch vehicle & will house electronics, guidance, sensors & stage separation equipment.

Right now, India has 2 space launchers under development: NGLV & Veda. As we know now, the NGLV will have a uniform diameter of 5m. So, these rings were meant for Veda then.

We don't know much about the Veda. But we know that it will not have a uniform diameter. We also know that the Veda will get its stages from Indian ICBMs/SLBMs.
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The largest of our ICBMs/SLBMs so far have a diameter ~2m. So, this 2.5m ring must be for a new stage of an upcoming ICBM or SLBM. So either A6 or K5.

In June/July 2024, ASL had released a tender for the fabrication of rubber seals & end support rings for A5, A1P & K5 missiles. Thanks @marich01 for this:
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Notice the nomenclature "K5S1C". This probably means K5 missile-Stage 1-CRMC type solid stage. Here the inter diameter is shown as 2418mm or 2.418 m. This is the outer diameter of the CRMC. Therefore a 2.5 m interstage ring on this stage is very plausible.

@marich01 hypothesized some months ago that Veda is probably K5's 1st stage mated with A5's or K4's 2nd stage. I think he is right.
Bloody hell are they building R-39 Rif successor lol
 
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Guys, I found something interesting.

Allow me to push this hypothesis further.
In June 2023, MIDHANI had produced >2.5 m rings made out of "TiTaN-31" alloy. The TiTaN-31 alloy's formula was produced by DMRL & productionized by MIDHANI. MIDHANI says that these rings were made for space applications.


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By "space applications", they probably mean a satellite launch vehicle. This ring will probably be at the interstage of the launch vehicle & will house electronics, guidance, sensors & stage separation equipment.

Right now, India has 2 space launchers under development: NGLV & Veda. As we know now, the NGLV will have a uniform diameter of 5m. So, these rings were meant for Veda then.

We don't know much about the Veda. But we know that it will not have a uniform diameter. We also know that the Veda will get its stages from Indian ICBMs/SLBMs.
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The largest of our ICBMs/SLBMs so far have a diameter ~2m. So, this 2.5m ring must be for a new stage of an upcoming ICBM or SLBM. So either A6 or K5.

In June/July 2024, ASL had released a tender for the fabrication of rubber seals & end support rings for A5, A1P & K5 missiles. Thanks @marich01 for this:
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Notice the nomenclature "K5S1C". This probably means K5 missile-Stage 1-CRMC type solid stage. Here the inter diameter is shown as 2418mm or 2.418 m. This is the outer diameter of the CRMC. Therefore a 2.5 m interstage ring on this stage is very plausible.

@marich01 hypothesized some months ago that Veda is probably K5's 1st stage mated with A5's or K4's 2nd stage. I think he is right.

We got the dimensions for the carbon fiber re-enforced composite payload fairings of the VEDA launcher:
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The 2nd one from the left is the VEDA's payload fairing. We knew that for some time. The manufacturer, LMW, calls it "payload fairing for defence":
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The payload fairing is 2m in diameter & 3m in height. This fairing can probably encapsulate either:
12-20 satellites of the IMS bus type or
4 sats of the I-1K bus type or
2 sats of I-2K bus type.

For satellite reference:
IMS bus: EMISAT, MicroSat, HySIS, SARAL etc.
I-1K bus: INSAT series, GSAT series, TES etc.
I-2K bus: INSAT series, GSAT series, RISAT series, CARTOSAT series etc.

Also, since the payload fairing is 2m is diameter (same as the A5) the VEDA can probably borrow the A5's MIRV-ed payload bus.
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From what we know so far, we can reasonably expect the VEDA to be a 3-stage missile with a 2.5m CRMC 1st stage. 2nd & 3rd stage is likely borrowed from the A5. This combined with the A5's MIRV-ed bus, we have an Indian equivalent to the RS-24 Yars. They may call this missile A6.

Now the centerpiece technology of the VEDA is the 2.5m CRMC 1st stage. With the tender docs we have seen so far, I would argue this motor is a going to be derived from the K5 project.

Theoretically a missile of this class should have the range to reach the entirety of China, some parts of EU, Russia, Canada & USA when launched from India. Due to political reasons, it may not be declared as an ICBM. But make no mistake, this will be our 1st global nuclear strike weapon. It will be truly global when we acquire the ability to launch missiles of this class from our SSBNs.

This is unrelated but I also found a composite nose cap. Probably for an BM. Not sure which one:
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VEDA 2nd stage is also 2.5m, its the third mirv bus stage V3C is 2m dia along with the payload fairing. Since DRDO only tested the mirv part only recently, we can expect much less number of tests that has happened so far aka on hand data is limited but likely a proven set of flight trial data. So it makes sense to use the mirv bus on VEDA too, we can get more data and then scale this up to fit mirv bus of future higher dia systems say from 2m dia class of A5 to 2.5 sized mirv bus stage ie increment.

The bottom green part in the veda model is entire 2.5m dia class and there are 2 stages there, hence I thought this part together could be used as a new system entirely aka K5 by sticking a single rv on top or making a bigger payload bus. A full single stage motor the size of those 2 stages together, ie instead of 2 motors of x length each say one single crmc of 2x length might give failure in the testing phase since it would be very high powerful and a longer burn duration. So even with precision mfg the chance of failure is high. So make 2 smaller stages, test and gather the tolerance limit for various parameter like max burn length, impulse, failure point etc. Then make a suitable longer stage motor once the scientific boundary conditions are established.
 
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^ Made by DMRL , early application of friction stir welding. @Gautam @Ashwin
Speaking of that, the new autoclave they got for making the crmc is capable of handling job size of dia 3m x 12m length max. So far the highest crmc made is K5 purpose dia 2.4m x 8m length. Maybe there can be one K6 after all that can be made with the existing machine once the current work is finished. They make the tooling themselves at least for the early internal R&D part.

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^ Made by DMRL , early application of friction stir welding. @Gautam @Ashwin
Speaking of that, the new autoclave they got for making the crmc is capable of handling job size of dia 3m x 12m length max. So far the highest crmc made is K5 purpose dia 2.4m x 8m length. Maybe there can be one K6 after all that can be made with the existing machine once the current work is finished. They make the tooling themselves at least for the early internal R&D part.

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K5 is reportedly an all-new blunt nosed design much heavier than K4 (likely with an aerospike tip like M51/Trident D5). Whether it features a nose-cap powered ejection system or traditional gas cannister remains to be seen.
 
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K5 is reportedly an all-new blunt nosed design much heavier than K4 (likely with an aerospike tip like M51/Trident D5). Whether it features a nose-cap powered ejection system or traditional gas cannister remains to be seen.
Difference between K-4 and K5 is quite large. K-4 is increased dia on 1.2m stage A4 likely and will also retain the K-15 like various trajectory control. From that starting point , new slbm is true long range system now. To launch it, we would need a way more robust sub than any current gen ones. In a way the new gen missiles all resemble slbm model, short compact design. So the missile program is finally maturing enough.
 
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A lot of other stuff you can recognise on the table. Like C2 or C3 section top part of Dhvani glider/ HSTDV . Do you remember that drawing first time i showed ?

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then that shell like structure, what is that ? some section mentioned along with nose cap

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This above structure is the C2 section ballast of DHVANI , so meant to go inside rather than an outer casing. Perhaps locked inside for aerodynamic testing purpose ? Other tip structure is for some missile nosetip section, could not read properly which.

Anyway, likely the first crmc stage of underwater article , ASAT etc, may also be used in LR-AShM who knows.

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