Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Hydra said:
How long you will live in denial mode? I saw someone has posted chinese has encroached around 1200 sqkm of indian territory over the years. If chinese are that much mediocre army with mediocre gears, why india didn't thrown away them?
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I am only making comments and doubts on Chinese MILITARY capabilities in and around Ladakh region.

Encroachment does NOT mean that China has military capability to hold that encroachment in Ladakh. Encroachment can happen by a bunch of cattle herders moving their cattle in the region claimed by India or a small detechment of soldiers coming and spray painting some stuff and going back. It DOES not mean military capability like which people are suggesting. Eg. deploying and operating 300 4th gen fighters or supporting logistics via Tibet or combating and defeating Indian Army in Ladakh.

Lastly, i have never seen a proof of such encroachment. Only statements by like of Brahma Challeney etc who make money by selling their expert opinion or wolf crying.
 
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Saaho said:
I am only making comments and doubts on Chinese MILITARY capabilities in and around Ladakh region. Encroachment does NOT mean that China has military capability to hold that encroachment in Ladakh.

Lastly, i have never seen a proof of such encroachment.
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Then what prevent IA to thwart them away? We really scared of chinese military and its a fact.
 
Hydra said:
Then what prevent IA to thwart them away? We really scared of chinese military and its a fact.
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Many. But chiefly, lack of political will. In India, the biggest hurdle to any change or action is that no one wants to accept any responsibility. AT ALL. Also asymmetry of payoff. A successful interception earns momentary praise but a failed brawl invites lasting "shame". So until it becomes a political emergency, no one wants to do a thing. It has been ongoing for so long, why change it? Its not as if politician are losing votes on such mis-adventures.

China is not as much of a hot button issue in minds of Indians as Pakistan is. And it shows.

Lastly, it is wrong to say IA does not stop Chinese. It does. Very often. What has not been happening is IA trying to push Chinese away from land claimed by India, which has now started.
 
Saaho said:
Many. But chiefly, lack of political will. In India, the biggest hurdle to any change or action is that no one wants to accept any responsibility. AT ALL. Also asymmetry of payoff. A successful interception earns momentary praise but a failed brawl invites lasting "shame". So until it becomes a political emergency, no one wants to do a thing. It has been ongoing for so long, why change it? Its not as if politician are losing votes on such mis-adventures.

China is not as much of a hot button issue in minds of Indians as Pakistan is. And it shows.
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Politicians dont have confidence on our military, that's why they arent say go ahead on china.

Regarding vote, keep on vote for the party who is making temples instead of factories, keep on vote for mob lynching. Our real enemy is existing in eastern & western side of India .
 
Hydra said:
Politicians dont have confidence on our military, that's why they arent say go ahead on china.
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The problem is more complex. Indian politics is based on perception game. If you do 10 things popular but one thing goes wrong or unpopular, you will be hounded by that massively. This causes lack of initiative to do most things. What will you do in such a setup? So long as it is possible, you will NEVER do a damn thing. You will only take initiative when it becomes unpopular to do nothing.

Sadly, Chinese incursion has never been that big of issue in Indian popular perception. There were no dead soldier, no gun fights nothing. Reports were limited too. Lastly, there was no religious angle to this issue as well like Kashmir. Only recently that has started to change.
Hydra said:
Regarding vote, keep on vote for the party who is making temples instead of factories, keep on vote for mob lynching. Our real enemy is existing in eastern & western side of India .
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When you understand this much, why the hell you are asking "Indian military is afraid of blah blah blah"? Indian military does not push Chinese back from Askai Chin because they are not ordered to.
 
Hydra said:
Politicians dont have confidence on our military, that's why they arent say go ahead on china.

Regarding vote, keep on vote for the party who is making temples instead of factories, keep on vote for mob lynching. Our real enemy is existing in eastern & western side of India .
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I am sure there was a manufacturing and heavy industries boom till 2014!LOL! Also, temple and factories are not exclusive. Moreover, nobody is making temples with public money. On the other hand, temple funds are frequently used by the govt. whereas certain govts keep on giving properties to the Waqf board and the Church! Now that I have stated hard verifiable uncomfortable facts! Go ahead! Call me Sanghi!
 
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Sunnylol said:
I am sure there was a manufacturing and heavy industries boom till 2014!LOL! Also, temple and factories are not exclusive. Moreover, nobody is making temples with public money. On the other hand, temple funds are frequently used by the govt. whereas certain govts keep on giving properties to the Waqf board and the Church! Now that I have stated hard verifiable uncomfortable facts! Go ahead! Call me Sanghi!
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Well, I could have written such a response. The reason I avoid it is because then discussion goes on a tangent totally away from topic.
 
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Saaho said:
Can it hit the target at that range, doubtful.
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That's one valid question, and perhaps this is why they are being integrated with UAV for precision guidance I think. Wiki says that the current cep is less than 80m for 90km range.
Saaho said:
This is why I have my doubts about even Weishi rockets and maturity of their guidance kits. The only known use (to me atleast) of WS-2 rockets at 200+ KM range was by Iranian Revolutionary guards and lots of them missed the mark resulting in massive civilian casualties. This is why I always have massive doubts about Chinese capabilities.
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Weishis are basically used for saturation fire I suppose even if the cep is 100m it does the job for them. Chinese are somehow trying to further improve their guidance but how far they have succeed is tough to say. You are right , they have the quantity but their quality sucks.
Hydra said:
Prhar & Nirbhay? Are these platforms are inducted? Any info on their series production. AFAIK Nirbhay project is closed on a mysterious circumstances, they neither declared it as a successful nor as a failure. Rathr they told, will be developing new long-range missile with indigenous engine.
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Well that's tough to say, but the point is they have such systems which can be deployed in case the need arrives. How far they will succeed well no one can tell. Whether they are inducted or not is again a mystery
Saaho said:
One possible option for India is to use Prithvi II missile with a cluster / submunition warhead for wide area destruction. Prithvi II has a range of 350 KM or so and can carry submunition warheads. Also, it is not as expensive as Brahmos.
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That will be an overkill, but idea is correct.
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Hydra said:
This fellow has made alot of bogus claims, non trustable account.
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Making bunkers and Roads and Bringing equipment forward all looks good on paper IF the other side is Not prepared to retaliate

The road which goes from A to B
Also goes from B to A

Our troops can stop their attack and then counterattack using their own roads

Victory will be defined who holds which Territory after the war and that is what the Chinese are not sure about , ie where will the conflict end
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1266653099734622208
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India's condition with the Chinese, is same as Pakistan's condition with India.
I think China has not started the deployments, it was only a battalion level incursion, some scuffle which happens a lot of times. Due to world scenario the things have picked up.
Although the Mr. Xi eleven has told PLA to prepare and be ready, but I think it was regarding Taiwan and not Tibet.
 
Anyone saw DM's interview? Comment section say he speaks like a lost general. It's in hindi,I am bit week in that language.
 
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