I haven't imagine any operations from Australia. Just from Japan or Korea. Perhaps can we imagine them from the Okinawa prefecture islands but they seems to be very sensible to any attacks by missiles because only 800 to 1000 km from China and very small.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
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Where are the bases in the Philippines ? What're you talking about ? Do you think Philippines is interested in being sucked into a China vs US+ allies contest unnecessarily ?
It is called M51 and ASMP-A.
Ask UAE for an answer other that a pure french one.
@randomradio @_Anonymous_ @Innominate @Optimist @Herciv @Bon Plan
Here is an F-15 and F-22 pilot saying that F-35 is nowhere close to F-22 in Air-to-Air contrary to what our American/British/Australian members are trying to convey:
Transcript:
1.Can you kill an F-35 BVR or do you need to merge:
A. You don’t necessarily need to wait for the merge to kill an F-35, there are ways the F-22 can use to kill it pre merge
(although later he mentions that most of his fights with the F-35 are WVR)
2. Is not having a HMD or JHMCS a disadvantage?
A. Though having a helmet would be nice, with the limited number of resources available, the Raptor remains to be very effective in the WVR arena even without it.
3. Have you fought the F-35, is it a pig as some say or an F-16 w/ F/A-18 AoA.
A. The F-35 is really configured for a different mission set where as the F-22 is tailor made for air to air so its really a different beast, the F-35 does have some pretty good sensors but as for the F-16 w/ F/A-18 AoA, I really can’t comment on that.
4. Will the F-22 be retired in 2030
A. Put it this way, the A-10 was talked about being retired 20 years ago, but we’re still flying A-10s, anyone who talks about something happening past the next 2 years is presumptuous.
5. Will Dogfighting be a thing of the past.
A. I always look at it from a historical point of view, back in Vietnam they said dogfighting won’t happen anymore, but we all know what happened, so its important for us to always learn from that.
So dogfight is still real @Innominate and your F-35 is going to get whooped there by any ASF
Here is an F-15 and F-22 pilot saying that F-35 is nowhere close to F-22 in Air-to-Air contrary to what our American/British/Australian members are trying to convey:
Transcript:
1.Can you kill an F-35 BVR or do you need to merge:
A. You don’t necessarily need to wait for the merge to kill an F-35, there are ways the F-22 can use to kill it pre merge
(although later he mentions that most of his fights with the F-35 are WVR)
2. Is not having a HMD or JHMCS a disadvantage?
A. Though having a helmet would be nice, with the limited number of resources available, the Raptor remains to be very effective in the WVR arena even without it.
3. Have you fought the F-35, is it a pig as some say or an F-16 w/ F/A-18 AoA.
A. The F-35 is really configured for a different mission set where as the F-22 is tailor made for air to air so its really a different beast, the F-35 does have some pretty good sensors but as for the F-16 w/ F/A-18 AoA, I really can’t comment on that.
4. Will the F-22 be retired in 2030
A. Put it this way, the A-10 was talked about being retired 20 years ago, but we’re still flying A-10s, anyone who talks about something happening past the next 2 years is presumptuous.
5. Will Dogfighting be a thing of the past.
A. I always look at it from a historical point of view, back in Vietnam they said dogfighting won’t happen anymore, but we all know what happened, so its important for us to always learn from that.
So dogfight is still real @Innominate and your F-35 is going to get whooped there by any ASF
F-35 on the contrary is just trying to achieve too much in one package and falling miles short
It will become even more funny if the new stuff delays the F-35 even beyond 2030.
Imbecile. F-22 and F-35 will never go to war against each other so you don't compare an F-35 aggressor limited to only radar and IRST to the F-22's full capabilities.@randomradio @_Anonymous_ @Innominate @Optimist @Herciv @Bon Plan
Here is an F-15 and F-22 pilot saying that F-35 is nowhere close to F-22 in Air-to-Air contrary to what our American/British/Australian members are trying to convey:
Transcript:
1.Can you kill an F-35 BVR or do you need to merge:
A. You don’t necessarily need to wait for the merge to kill an F-35, there are ways the F-22 can use to kill it pre merge
(although later he mentions that most of his fights with the F-35 are WVR)
2. Is not having a HMD or JHMCS a disadvantage?
A. Though having a helmet would be nice, with the limited number of resources available, the Raptor remains to be very effective in the WVR arena even without it.
3. Have you fought the F-35, is it a pig as some say or an F-16 w/ F/A-18 AoA.
A. The F-35 is really configured for a different mission set where as the F-22 is tailor made for air to air so its really a different beast, the F-35 does have some pretty good sensors but as for the F-16 w/ F/A-18 AoA, I really can’t comment on that.
4. Will the F-22 be retired in 2030
A. Put it this way, the A-10 was talked about being retired 20 years ago, but we’re still flying A-10s, anyone who talks about something happening past the next 2 years is presumptuous.
5. Will Dogfighting be a thing of the past.
A. I always look at it from a historical point of view, back in Vietnam they said dogfighting won’t happen anymore, but we all know what happened, so its important for us to always learn from that.
So dogfight is still real @Innominate and your F-35 is going to get whooped there by any ASF
F-35 aggressors have won WVR against F-22's at Red Flag and an F-35 using all its capabilities (EODAS) in a WVR fight against an F-22 the F-35 would win because of its HOBS capability that the F-22 doesn't have or is as capable as the F-35's capability. Same in BVR the F-35 being more stealthy than F22 and better sensors wins.
See you're desperately trying really hard to put the F-35 down because you Indians, or your IAF fighters, are severely inferior to China's fighters and are pissed off the US has not offered the F-35 to India, even though India is really interested, and don't seem to understand why the US offers other nations F-35's and not you Indians.
Now instead of comparing the F-22 to the F-35, wondering which is better in air to air, what you should do is compare the F-35 to India's inferior fighters in the air to air realm and if you are smarter than a chimp you'd come to the conclusion that it is no contest that Indian fighters would not stand a chance against the F-35.
F-35 vs Rafale. F-35 easily wins.
F-35 vs Typhoon. F-35 easily wins.
F-35 vs SU-35 and all flanker variants. F-35 easily wins.
F-35 vs SU-57 and J-20. F-35 wins.
F-35 vs all upgraded US 4th gen fighters. F-35 easily wins.
Do you get it now, dummy? Lets get into those debates which will likely make you sick knowing how inferior your air force really is or how inferior any nation is who's air force only consist of 4th gen fighters.
Your Rafale hasn't had an engine upgrade/thrust upgrade since it entered service and Rafale has gotten fat and heavy. That top speed of mach 1.8 was done clean in F1 standard possibly A model. Smoke that in your pipe homeboy.
Rafale can go Mach 2,0 in need. And top speed is limited by the air intake configuration, not by drag. If Rafale has gotten 50% heavier from F1 standard, it would still be able to achieve Mach 2,0.
But keep pretending you know something.
Lol. You just pulled those claims out of your a$$ huh boy?
Here's a 2016 article
-French company Safran, which manufactures the M88 engine of the Dassault Rafale fighter aircraft plans to increase its thrust from 7.5 tone to nine tons.
La Tribune newspaper said yesterday quoting CEO of Safran, Philippe Petitcolin that, the engine upgrade in terms of thrust was necessary as the Rafale had grown heavier over the years due to addition of weapons and other systems.
He said that the original thrust of the Rafale engine was the same since the launch of the French fighter. The Rafale was designed over two decades ago.
Safran Plans Engine Upgrade For Dassault Rafale Fighter Jet
French company Safran, which manufactures the M88 engine of the Dassault Rafale fighter aircraft plans to increase its thrust from 7.5 tone to nine tons. La Tribune newspaper said yesterday quoting CEO of Safran, Philippe Petitcolin that, the engine upgrade in terms of thrust was necessary as...
www.defenseworld.net
The ONLY time Rafale went mach 2 was with US engines during prototype/A model and the Frogs in here know it too.
Rafale F3 is heavy and hasn't had a thrust upgrade it was the demonstrator that reached mach 1.8 CLEAN the F3 in CLEAN configuration can't reach those speeds any more. The demonstrator didn't have the fuel probe and all the heavy avionics that a clean F3 has. Now imagine the Rafale with drop tanks, pylons and missiles... it becomes a brick.
Why cite me in this rabbit hole? I've not said anything.@randomradio @_Anonymous_ @Innominate @Optimist @Herciv @Bon Plan
Here is an F-15 and F-22 pilot saying that F-35 is nowhere close to F-22 in Air-to-Air contrary to what our American/British/Australian members are trying to convey:
Transcript:
1.Can you kill an F-35 BVR or do you need to merge:
A. You don’t necessarily need to wait for the merge to kill an F-35, there are ways the F-22 can use to kill it pre merge
(although later he mentions that most of his fights with the F-35 are WVR)
2. Is not having a HMD or JHMCS a disadvantage?
A. Though having a helmet would be nice, with the limited number of resources available, the Raptor remains to be very effective in the WVR arena even without it.
3. Have you fought the F-35, is it a pig as some say or an F-16 w/ F/A-18 AoA.
A. The F-35 is really configured for a different mission set where as the F-22 is tailor made for air to air so its really a different beast, the F-35 does have some pretty good sensors but as for the F-16 w/ F/A-18 AoA, I really can’t comment on that.
4. Will the F-22 be retired in 2030
A. Put it this way, the A-10 was talked about being retired 20 years ago, but we’re still flying A-10s, anyone who talks about something happening past the next 2 years is presumptuous.
5. Will Dogfighting be a thing of the past.
A. I always look at it from a historical point of view, back in Vietnam they said dogfighting won’t happen anymore, but we all know what happened, so its important for us to always learn from that.
So dogfight is still real @Innominate and your F-35 is going to get whooped there by any ASF
The frogs say..Just putting an IR pod on it pulls The rafale C back to M1.4 ...Fanboy fantasy is great. the Rafale M starts off at M1.6.
The rafale with A2G load out, is subsonic, like other 4/4.5 gen. All the pixie dust in the world, won't change this.
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Since when does the engine manufacturer know what is the right engine for an aircraft?
An engine manufacturer after more than a decade will always find arguments to say that it is time to upgrade the engine, his role is not to improve the aircraft but to get contracts.
As for the Rafale, when it was launched it had an MTOW of 24500 kg and today it has an MTOW of ... of ... 24500 kg, and therefore no need to increase the power of the engines because with this MTOW, we can hang anything we want on this plane.
Moreover all the French know that the Rafale can reach Mach 2, if it did it with an American engine, then it is even easier with a French engine, in addition it did it by lighting only one engine what proves that there was margin and that it is well a performance of the plane and not of the engines.
However, operationally the speed is limited to Mach 1.8 so as not to damage the absorbent coatings that improve stealth, this is a choice of the French armies.
The real imbecility is to think that F-35 is a superlative Air Superiority Platform, because it isn't. Neither is it a dogfighter.
You can continue to live in your la la land whilst we know how compromised your much vaunted F-35 program is.
As far as India or Indians wanting F-35! Hell no. We're happy with our MKIs and Rafale(s). For our future Su-57 2-seater and AMCA shall suffice.
I see sweetie's working his / xis / her / xer charm's on you as well . Earlier his terms of endearments were much more feminine & gentile . They seem more masculine hence affable & certainly not true to his / xis / her / xer character now which is feminine .
On topic you can post as many rebuttals as you want on the IAF not being interested in a work in progress project like F-35 besides the various strings attached it comes with but it's like dealing with a particularly petulant child . You tell that child not to do anything bad & voila you can actually predict that child's next move .
Which is why you never engage Sweetie or Paddy in serious discussions ever . Their own knowledge is good though blindsided by obvious failures in the systems they vouch for . How much of it is national pride , how much of it is conceit & how much of it is stupid ego becomes difficult to tell but in the end if you're hoping for a fruitful discussion that's the last thing you'd get . Has been my experience so far . You're welcome to try your luck , of interested.
On topic if the F-22s aren't engaging the F-35s , you should have asked the clod how exactly does he see the F-35 engage the MKIs or Rafales. Apart from RoK , Japan & Israel only the US & Australia have the Lightnings unless sweetie's suggesting we're at war with these nations.
As far as his wonderjet is concerned let's hope for his sakes that come 2030 all the planned upgrades go through & the FOC is granted else if the Taiwan invasion happens , their pilots would be confined to the bases in the Far East toying with their own joysticks instead of that of the Lightnings . Unless of course they're equipped with that secret weapon - E Virus like Stuxnet . Ja , sweetie ? @Innominate
Yeah, you have no clue.Lol. You just pulled those claims out of your a$$ huh boy?
Here's a 2016 article
-French company Safran, which manufactures the M88 engine of the Dassault Rafale fighter aircraft plans to increase its thrust from 7.5 tone to nine tons.
La Tribune newspaper said yesterday quoting CEO of Safran, Philippe Petitcolin that, the engine upgrade in terms of thrust was necessary as the Rafale had grown heavier over the years due to addition of weapons and other systems.
He said that the original thrust of the Rafale engine was the same since the launch of the French fighter. The Rafale was designed over two decades ago.
Safran Plans Engine Upgrade For Dassault Rafale Fighter Jet
French company Safran, which manufactures the M88 engine of the Dassault Rafale fighter aircraft plans to increase its thrust from 7.5 tone to nine tons. La Tribune newspaper said yesterday quoting CEO of Safran, Philippe Petitcolin that, the engine upgrade in terms of thrust was necessary as...
The ONLY time Rafale went mach 2 was with US engines during prototype/A model and the Frogs in here know it too.
Rafale F3 is heavy and hasn't had a thrust upgrade it was the demonstrator that reached mach 1.8 CLEAN the F3 in CLEAN configuration can't reach those speeds any more. The demonstrator didn't have the fuel probe and all the heavy avionics that a clean F3 has. Now imagine the Rafale with drop tanks, pylons and missiles... it becomes a brick.
Increase in engine thrust has nothing to do with supercruise. Or the top speed. Yes, if done, it will improve supercruise capability, but that is not the goal. Rather, what is the goal is to improve thrust-to-weight ratio during air maneuvers (dogfight) and to allow Rafale to keep carrying heavy loads. Both of which had been affected by increase in weight.
Top speed will not increase with increased thrust. It cannot increase, because top speed is limited by air intake design. Speeds of over Mach 2,0 require much more complex air intake design than what Rafale has. So current M88-2 or new increased thrust M88-2, Rafale will have top speed of Mach 2,0 and 1,8 operational top speed. If you gave it engine capable of producing Saturn V levels of thrust, it would still not be able to go faster than that due to airframe design.
RE: supercruise, you have it completely backwards (why am I not surprised?). It was replacement of port F404 with M88-2 that allowed Rafale to reach Mach 1.4. To explain it point by point so that you can understand it:
1) Rafale A flew with F404 engines. In this configuration it was not capable of supercruising at Mach 1.4.
2) Port-side F404 engine was replaced by M88-2.
3) After the replacement, Rafale A reached supercruise speed of Mach 1.4.
4) Rafale C has two M88-2 engines and refined aerodynamics compared to Rafale A. This allows it to supercruise at Mach 1.4 with six missiles and at Mach 1.3 with six missiles and centerline supersonic fuel tank.
5) Above means that Rafale C can likely supercruise at Mach 1.5 when clean.
6) Some of this capability has likely been lost as Rafale C has increased in weight during service, but stronger engine will restore it.
7) Unlike supercruise speed, top speed was never thrust-limited to begin with.
So Rafale was not capable of supercruising at Mach 1.4 with US engines. It required M88-2 to do so. Yet somehow you expect Rafale to have lost the ability to reach top speed of Mach 2.0 after having F404 replaced with M88-2, despite a) its dry thrust performance having increased significantly and b) top speed never having been limited by thrust to begin with?
Get a grip.
Lol. I see you avoided mein post of who would win an air battle topic which I can't blame you cause you know the F-35 would decimate all challengers in the air. You're not as dumb as you sound.
The F-35 is superior in AA and AG there's no denying that. No other fighter besides an F-22 is a threat to the F-35 in air to air.
I live by facts and the reality that has taken place recently with Switzerland and Finland telling the Rafale to toss off because it isn't good enough in air to air which both countries top prioroty was. Suck on that, chico.
Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is formally requesting a classified briefing by U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin on the capabilities of its fifth-generation stealth multirole F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Lightning II, the aircraft’s conventional takeoff and landing version, according to Indian media reports.The United States has not formally offered the aircraft to India and any classified briefing would require clearance by the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of State.
Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
Is the Indian military interested in procuring the F-35A Lightning II from the US?
thediplomat.com
Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is formally requesting a classified briefing by U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin on the capabilities of its fifth-generation stealth multirole F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Lightning II, the aircraft’s conventional takeoff and landing version, according to Indian media reports.
The United States has not formally offered the aircraft to India and any classified briefing would require clearance by the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of State.
Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
Is the Indian military interested in procuring the F-35A Lightning II from the US?thediplomat.com
Here's the very same author from the very same publication carrying a denial by the then Air Chief Marshal - ACM Dhanoa.
India Denies Interest in F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
here's more of the same.
No request made to US for F-35 fighter jet, says IAF chief B S Dhanoa
Sources also said that as the IAF is already down to 31 squadrons of fighter aircraft against an authorisation of 42, it is imperative to make the shortfall on an emergent basis. It would thus be best to go for a government-to-government deal to get the next set of fighters.
indianexpress.com
& since we'd never quite grow up , pls ask for more so that you get it good & more than good. Ja , sweetie ?
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No it won't.
Air to Ground, sure! But air to air? Hell No.
Yes, F-35 did beat Rafale in recent Swiss evaluation. Acknowledged. But for us Rafale>> F-35, anyday, anytime & anywhere.
It was just a rumour. Plus F-35 can't co-exist with S-400. Everyone knows it. And IAF has already made its choice.Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is formally requesting a classified briefing by U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin on the capabilities of its fifth-generation stealth multirole F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Lightning II, the aircraft’s conventional takeoff and landing version, according to Indian media reports.
The United States has not formally offered the aircraft to India and any classified briefing would require clearance by the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of State.
Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
Is the Indian military interested in procuring the F-35A Lightning II from the US?thediplomat.com
So stop being salty over it son and get off you high American superpower egoistic pedestal. India will never become a Yankee b****, we shall retain our sovereignty, no matter what.
Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is formally requesting a classified briefing by U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin on the capabilities of its fifth-generation stealth multirole F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Lightning II, the aircraft’s conventional takeoff and landing version, according to Indian media reports.
The United States has not formally offered the aircraft to India and any classified briefing would require clearance by the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of State.
Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
Is the Indian military interested in procuring the F-35A Lightning II from the US?thediplomat.com
Planted by the Americans as usual.
Imbecile. If F22 and F35 will never be opposed, it's also the case of F35 vs Rafale and EF2000.
Safran ceo is doing it's job : asking money for a new engine developpt phase.
Note that UAE orderd the rafale, for very hot weather, without a new engine (at least no information about that).