MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions
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Both jets are in the LRIP stage.
At this time, it's exactly like the new Mig-35. F-15EX is in production for 8 examples as LRIP, with all 8 to be delivered before 2023. The first 2 will be delivered next year. Similarly, the Mig-35 was delivered last year. 2 were delivered out of the 6 ordered.
This year, Russia is expected to order 14 jets, and next year the USAF is expected to order 12 jets. Pretty even.
It exists and is already ordered by the USAF 144 fighter for around 21 billion$ more will be ordered to replace there olders f15C's and E's and upgrading the rest of the fleet to EX standard. The main upgrades include EPAWWS ew suite which is in the same class as spectra and it might be GaN made. The other one is the mission computer which is the faster than the f35's mission computer. It's basically an electronics upgrade primarily the aesa radar has also been upgraded though older variant of the same aesa has been used on the f15E and F15C. The airframe life is 20k hours. So yes a pretty capable aircraft which could serve our airforce uptill 2050 easily.
The problem is mig 35 hasn't got orders by the RuAF and has been on backburner since before 2010. On the other hand f15EX has a planned roadmap of 144 atleast. It also has come online as a project in the last 5 years and Boeing has lobbied it to be ordered by the USAF. Even the Israelis have shown interest in the f15EX. While no one is interested in mig35..
You're referring to the old Mig-35. The one in LRIP is a brand new Mig-35, different from what was offered to India a decade ago.
RuAF plans to operate 170 Mig-35s.
Russians have grandoise plans and fail to deliver. The 170 claim is more like a pledge compared to U.S which has planned purchase of 144. There armata acquisition and even su57 acquisition shows how much cash crunch they are experiencing.
They have been planning to operate 200 su57 once upon a time too. I would trust the Americans over the Russians in these matters..
Basically they will have the Zhuk aesa which was supposed to be on the "older" mig 35..
The old one was basically a Mig-29UPG on a Mig-29M airframe with an AESA radar and an Italian EW suite.
The new Mig-35 has a more modernised airframe design and new next gen avionics, more advanced than the technologies that have gone into the Su-35S.
It's the same. The USAF has also promised 144, similar to the Russian promise of 170. The USAF's current order is just 8 with a plan to go for a total of 72, not all 144 at once. The decision to go for the rest will be taken after a long time has passed.
The Russians will most likely order the Mig-35 the same way they did the Su-30, that's a regiment at a time. So the total number they plan to operate will remain a secret for quite sometime, unless they reveal it if they want to, which they do for less advanced systems. Plus they make changes as necessary.
The Russian procurement rules are different from what you think. They are time-based rather than order-based. They place orders based on what they can absorb within a time period listed under the State Armament Programme. In the US and India, it's the opposite, so the total numbers are revealed and the time it takes to fulfill the order is subject to change. So the Russians can have easily planned for even 500 Su-57 and 10000 Armata, but they only reveal how much they have ordered based on the time-bound SAP.
Those plans are old, and we have seen since 2017 that actually newer Su30SM are being used to equip RuAF units previously flying Mig29s.
In my opinion they are now looking at around 12 Su34 aircrafts a year for replacing Su24 units, 8-10 Su35 to replace the oldest Su27 units and 10+ Su30 units replacing the Mig29 units. [Talking only about newer airframe additions, they have Mig31 and Su27 both types under upgrade]
It is what has been happening since last 3-4 years. There used to be activities with Mig29 support in the Baltic sea, Black Sea and even above the Nordics. All that has changed to Su35s/Su27s doing those things in past few years. It does signal is that the Russians might be actually looking to standardize only on the Flanker platform for immediate future.
Mig35 as was primarily targetted for export market was made with primary vision to easily integrate available off the shelf western techs with open system architecture, while the Su35 not so much. Will not say that more advanced technologies have gone into Mig35 than in Su35 though.
That's unlikely. The Russians suffer from the same top heavy problem as India. They need the Mig-35 to replace a lot of Mig-29s. Plus they need to keep Mig alive. Anyway, Russia has officially stated that they plan to replace all their light fighters with the Mig-35.
Aso it doesn't make sense to give up on all the Mig-29 infrastructure and manpower for piecemeal gains by going for more Flankers. Not to mention the significant cost difference between the two. They claim the Mig-35 requires an incredible 80% less spares and maintenance in value compared to the standard Mig-29. Which makes sense considering our UPGs alone have reduced costs by 40%.
The Mig-35 will come with next gen avionics that's not on any of the Flankers currently. Of course, what they themselves induct will be different from what they offer the export market, so it's going to be a useless proposition to India. It's not suitable for India for a whole host of other reasons as well, but I'm not talking from India's PoV, but from Russia's.
Su-35 needs a new round of upgrades in order to stay current. Even then it's not going to match up to the Mig-35 due to the price point.
As if U.S is in a cash crunch like the Russians. Boeing has lobbied for these fighters so they are going to be ordered more than planned number of 144. Boeing needs to have order books running since they don't have a fifth gen. F15EX is not an uncertainty compared to the mig 35 or for that matter the gripen E. It's going to be ordered by a lot of air forces apart from the U.S.
It just remember me a Trump visit in Boeing some years ago, with a potential SH18 purchase. No such reality.
The same Trump said F35 costs too much. He wanted to reduce the order. No such reality.
So.....
The sole fact is that a purchase by USAF of F15EX is on the agenda for years. But no order inked so far. Maybe tomorrow ?
Well they have ordered for this year. Might also order new aircrafts next year when the corona problem ends. The chance of sales of f15EX is higher than mig 35 or gripen E simple as that. So tomorrow or day after tomorrow plane is going to be ordered by the U.S.A.F order might reduce at best but it will be ordered in decent numbers..It just remember me a Trump visit in Boeing some years ago, with a potential SH18 purchase. No such reality.
The same Trump said F35 costs too much. He wanted to reduce the order. No such reality.
So.....
The sole fact is that a purchase by USAF of F15EX is on the agenda for years. But no order inked so far. Maybe tomorrow ?
Lockheed Martin to plug F-35 fifth-generation technologies on F-21 offered to India
Lockheed Martin Corp. will provide latest, fifth generation combat aircraft technologies from F-35 Lightning II and F-22 Raptor, including a target tracking device, aboard the F-21 that is being offered to Indian Air Force for the world’s largest order. The global defence giant will offer F-21...
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It has three-pronged unmatched capability – an advanced APG-83 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, triple missile launcher which carries 40 per cent more weapons, and a Dorsal Fairing, enabling increased growth capacity and indigenous systems integration in the future, Knust said.
“We are adding to the airplane, an advanced cockpit having a large area display to improve the pilot’s situational awareness, which is a feed down from the F-35,”
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Directly F35 offer karne ka.Lockheed Martin to plug F-35 fifth-generation technologies on F-21 offered to India
Lockheed Martin Corp. will provide latest, fifth generation combat aircraft technologies from F-35 Lightning II and F-22 Raptor, including a target tracking device, aboard the F-21 that is being offered to Indian Air Force for the world’s largest order. The global defence giant will offer F-21...
It has three-pronged unmatched capability – an advanced APG-83 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, triple missile launcher which carries 40 per cent more weapons, and a Dorsal Fairing, enabling increased growth capacity and indigenous systems integration in the future, Knust said.
“We are adding to the airplane, an advanced cockpit having a large area display to improve the pilot’s situational awareness, which is a feed down from the F-35,”
US Offers India ‘Air Dominance’ Fighter Jets That Can Even Outdo F-35s In An Aerial Dogfight
US Offers India ‘Air Dominance’ Fighter Jets That Can Even Outdo F-35s In An Aerial Dogfight
Developed by American aerospace juggernauts Boeing, the twin-seat fighter jet possesses a deep magazine that can carry an array of advanced weapons on board and overshadows its predecessor F-15s and even the mightily F-35s because of its Open Mission Systems (OMS) architecture.
Published
13 hours ago
on
September 13, 2020
By
EurAsian Times Desk
Despite India reaching a five-point consensus with China, including the disengagement of both respective soldiers from the contested Himalayan Border, it is likely that the blazing fire between the two nations might not diffuse just yet.
Adding Pakistan in the mix along with its “Iron Brother” China, the future paves way for a series of escalations along India’s volatile border and thereby highlights India’s need to enhance its military arsenal and there is just the fighter jet which might do that – the new US “F-15EX”.
The most advanced version of the McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle twin-engine, all-weather tactical fighter jet, the F-15EX uses the frame of the classic F-15 and incorporates generations of technological improvements developed over the period of the last thirty years.
Developed by American aerospace juggernauts Boeing, the two-seat fighter possesses a deep magazine that can carry an array of advanced weapons on board and overshadows its predecessor F-15s because of its Open Mission Systems (OMS) architecture.
According to Boeing, “The most significant difference between the F-15EX and legacy F-15s lies in its Open Mission Systems (OMS) architecture. The OMS architecture will enable the rapid insertion of the latest aircraft technologies.”
While India’s recent induction of the first five of the 36 French Dassault 4.5 generation Rafale Jets is considered a promising sign for the Indian Air Force which is bolstering its air fleet, the current strength of 31 squadrons against the sanctioned one of 42 squadrons would need further procurements of advanced fighters – as India needs to be ready for a possible two-front war.
While the F-15EX were said to be running for the Indian Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contract, they could yet again return for the MMRCA 2.0 which is to be phased by the IAF for the procurement of further 114 fighters.
With emerging conflicts on the border against neighbors China and Pakistan, there is a need for the future IAF fighters to fulfill different sets of roles. India needs fighter jets which have the ability to strike deep into enemy territories, while also being able to stay up in the air for longer hours, something which will be offered by the F-15EX.
The Russian-made SU 30 MKIs are already deployed on the Chinese border in the Himalayas, and if India decides to go ahead with the purchase, the fighters could be joined by F-15EX, with their heavy engine capacities making them suitable to be operated in the high altitudes regions.
Despite the F-15EX fighters not being stealth fighters unlike US’ most advanced F-35 fighter jets, the F-15EX fighters have a potent deterrent capability as compared to the smaller F-35s and are also able to attain air supremacy and even outdo the F-35 fighters.
While the F-35 is an aircraft for tactical operations, the F-15EX is an airspace dominance weapon system and can perform a variety of roles including cross border strikes, engaging in proximity fights with enemy fighter jets, destroying enemy ships while keeping the aircraft carriers at a safe distance.
While the F-35s are superior in terms of overall capabilities and are one of the most sought after jets in the world, however, the US Air Force has been mighty impressed with F-15EX jets and has recently placed an order with Boeing.
“The F-15EX is the most advanced version of the F-15 ever built, due in large part to its digital backbone,” said Lori Schneider, Boeing F-15EX program manager. “Its unmatched range, price and best-in-class payload capacity make the F-15EX an attractive choice for the U.S. Air Force.”
What they would need would be an aircraft that can fly for longer hours, is heavily equipped with weapons systems, and is big enough to carry substantial fuel tanks, so that they do not have to return to the airbase for refueling.
This void can be filled by the F-15EX who can have a combat range of 1,100 miles as compared to the 670 miles range offered by the F-35s. Moreover, the F-15EX has a speed of Mach 2.5 and can accommodate heavy radars.
Moreover, with the fighters possessing the ability to strike deep within Pakistan and with its configurations modifiable to carry nuclear weapons, if New Delhi indeed looks to fill a squadron of these multi-role fighters, it would have a significant influence in the region besides cementing military ties with US government.
US Offers India ‘Air Dominance’ Fighter Jets That Can Even Outdo F-35s In An Aerial Dogfight
Developed by American aerospace juggernauts Boeing, the twin-seat fighter jet possesses a deep magazine that can carry an array of advanced weapons on board and overshadows its predecessor F-15s and even the mightily F-35s because of its Open Mission Systems (OMS) architecture.
Published
13 hours ago
on
September 13, 2020
By
EurAsian Times Desk
Despite India reaching a five-point consensus with China, including the disengagement of both respective soldiers from the contested Himalayan Border, it is likely that the blazing fire between the two nations might not diffuse just yet.
Adding Pakistan in the mix along with its “Iron Brother” China, the future paves way for a series of escalations along India’s volatile border and thereby highlights India’s need to enhance its military arsenal and there is just the fighter jet which might do that – the new US “F-15EX”.
The most advanced version of the McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle twin-engine, all-weather tactical fighter jet, the F-15EX uses the frame of the classic F-15 and incorporates generations of technological improvements developed over the period of the last thirty years.
Developed by American aerospace juggernauts Boeing, the two-seat fighter possesses a deep magazine that can carry an array of advanced weapons on board and overshadows its predecessor F-15s because of its Open Mission Systems (OMS) architecture.
According to Boeing, “The most significant difference between the F-15EX and legacy F-15s lies in its Open Mission Systems (OMS) architecture. The OMS architecture will enable the rapid insertion of the latest aircraft technologies.”
While India’s recent induction of the first five of the 36 French Dassault 4.5 generation Rafale Jets is considered a promising sign for the Indian Air Force which is bolstering its air fleet, the current strength of 31 squadrons against the sanctioned one of 42 squadrons would need further procurements of advanced fighters – as India needs to be ready for a possible two-front war.
While the F-15EX were said to be running for the Indian Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contract, they could yet again return for the MMRCA 2.0 which is to be phased by the IAF for the procurement of further 114 fighters.
With emerging conflicts on the border against neighbors China and Pakistan, there is a need for the future IAF fighters to fulfill different sets of roles. India needs fighter jets which have the ability to strike deep into enemy territories, while also being able to stay up in the air for longer hours, something which will be offered by the F-15EX.
The Russian-made SU 30 MKIs are already deployed on the Chinese border in the Himalayas, and if India decides to go ahead with the purchase, the fighters could be joined by F-15EX, with their heavy engine capacities making them suitable to be operated in the high altitudes regions.
Despite the F-15EX fighters not being stealth fighters unlike US’ most advanced F-35 fighter jets, the F-15EX fighters have a potent deterrent capability as compared to the smaller F-35s and are also able to attain air supremacy and even outdo the F-35 fighters.
While the F-35 is an aircraft for tactical operations, the F-15EX is an airspace dominance weapon system and can perform a variety of roles including cross border strikes, engaging in proximity fights with enemy fighter jets, destroying enemy ships while keeping the aircraft carriers at a safe distance.
While the F-35s are superior in terms of overall capabilities and are one of the most sought after jets in the world, however, the US Air Force has been mighty impressed with F-15EX jets and has recently placed an order with Boeing.
“The F-15EX is the most advanced version of the F-15 ever built, due in large part to its digital backbone,” said Lori Schneider, Boeing F-15EX program manager. “Its unmatched range, price and best-in-class payload capacity make the F-15EX an attractive choice for the U.S. Air Force.”
What they would need would be an aircraft that can fly for longer hours, is heavily equipped with weapons systems, and is big enough to carry substantial fuel tanks, so that they do not have to return to the airbase for refueling.
This void can be filled by the F-15EX who can have a combat range of 1,100 miles as compared to the 670 miles range offered by the F-35s. Moreover, the F-15EX has a speed of Mach 2.5 and can accommodate heavy radars.
Moreover, with the fighters possessing the ability to strike deep within Pakistan and with its configurations modifiable to carry nuclear weapons, if New Delhi indeed looks to fill a squadron of these multi-role fighters, it would have a significant influence in the region besides cementing military ties with US government.
It's unbelievable, they have a plane that weighs 14 tons when empty and that needs to be upgraded to a performance level barely comparable to that of the Rafale, which weighs only 10 tons, and they manage to present it as something great. 
That 14 T aircraft, with its basic configuration has achieved an incredible 104 vs 0 kill ratios against the adversaries in past. Definitely, with upgrades it will perform such things in future too.It's unbelievable, they have a plane that weighs 14 tons when empty and that needs to be upgraded to a performance level barely comparable to that of the Rafale, which weighs only 10 tons, and they manage to present it as something great.