Dassault is completely insensitive to competition, and will charge the same price in a competition as in a private agreement. Because Dassault's commitment to excellence means that it must make the best possible proposal from the customer's point of view, including price. The price cannot be lowered after the proposal has been submitted, because if this had been possible, Dassault would have done it beforehand.
Do you think your Navy doesn't need training, simulators and spares? and PBL and maintenance on your carrier and so on?
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Do you think your Navy doesn't need training, simulators and spares? and PBL and maintenance on your carrier and so on?
The Rafale M is the most expensive of the Rafales, if we refer to wikipedia where the figures are a little old but allow comparisons,
Which means that Rafale itself costs ~€65M per jet (generally speaking, cost of aircraft itself is about half the contract...).
www.airandspaceforces.com
I forbid you to be more optimistic than I am.
I just went to check, and Croatia got 12 Rafales, though admittedly second-hand, for €1,2 billion. This covered the aircraft, spare parts, basic package of air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons, flight simulators, personnel training and some of the modifications necessary for air bases as well as VAT (which basically doesn't count, since it essentially comes down to state taxing itself). Without Croatian VAT, price will have been €999 million, so €83,25 million per aircraft.I forbid you to be more optimistic than I am.
3.42 was for the plane alone, the contract was € 7.8 billion.
But in this price there were 2 bases for 1.8 billion when one would have been enough, ISE for 1.7 billion, PBL (performance based logistic) for 352 million, weapons, training and maybe I'm forgetting.
What you find on the Internet is the cost to France, to get a price, you have to add the manufacturer's margin, which for France is around 7%, but which for export is much higher, because the manufacturers have financed 25% of the Rafale's development from their own funds, which they are entitled to recover from export sales: in other words, the French state finances 75% of the development, and exports finance 25%. This set of facts explains the 95 million export price.
That is wrong. The price is F-35 a, then c and then b being the dearest. The f-35 is cheaper than the Rafale, but it isn't offered to India at this stage. The Super Hornet is also cheaper and better, but I still think the Rafale being an existing platform is more suitable.No, that's the unit flyaway cost. The IAF paid €7B for 36 Rafales, including customization and 2 bases.
So €131.5M for Rafale M versus the F-35A's €76M. European tenders have established the F-35A's lower unit costs versus the Rafale. The F-35's sustainment costs are suspect.
The F-35C is definitely more expensive than A.
For the airframe and mission equipment only, the Lot 15-17 cost of F-35s ranges “from $70.2 million to $69.9 million for the F-35A, $80.9 million to $78.3 million for the F-35B, and $90 to $89.3 million for the F-35C,” a Lockheed spokesperson said.$30 Billion F-35 Deal Will See Prices Rise, Deliveries Dip | Air & Space Forces Magazine
Lockheed Martin and the Defense Department have reached a deal on Lots 15-17 of the F-35, with fewer jets and higher costs per plane.
Add the engine:
The total contract value for lots 15-17, with exercised options, is about $8 billion and will fund over 418 F135 engines, Pratt & Whitney said.Pratt & Whitney awarded $5.2 bln contract to develop engines for F-35 Lightning II
Pratt & Whitney, a Raytheon Technologies unit, said on Monday it has been awarded a $5.2 billion contract to support production of the 15th and 16th lots of F135 engines, with an option to award a 17th lot, powering all three variants of the F-35 Lightning II fighter aircraft.www.reuters.com
$19M per engine on average. That takes the F-35C's cost to around $110M or €105M.
