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vsdoc said:
It does not matter what the SC does.

On the ground the beef ban stays. And no one has the guts to do anything about it. Because no one has the confidence of the protetion of the dispensation. Mr S of Burger King is still not making King Beef and Beef burgers, nor the steak burgers (though the chicken steak with the same sauces is pretty close - though not as chewy) because he refuses to pay protection money to the local Hindu right wing goons who are camped in his eatery.

So same thing.

You are wanting to see examples of the government actually practicing bigotry by commission.

I'm telling you that the bigotry of "plausible deniability" omission hurts as bad. Even worse.

The sangh parivar are the BJP's "non state actors" ...

Its Gandhi ke teen bandar ... while the hounds go to town.

Cheers, Doc
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I cannot support thuggery. Hope they face the law soon.
My point was never that they are clean. My point was that it was minor- childish- its an adjustment everybody has made- for various other sentiments- all the time- where we figuratively make do with the chicken steak with sauce- an adjustment you should make for your sentimental fellows.
You know, one could interpret the ban on entering fire temples as discrimination based on religion. I could claim to be a Zoroastrian and you nor anybody has the right to tell me otherwise.(Article 25 of our constitution. But, I make the adjustment.
. India is going to be India either way. A different govt doesnt guarantee your burgers returning. Maybe you can fix one up yourself or go to a different one. Fact is , Its completely legal.
 
vsdoc said:
Nor did we get the inclusive cultural Hindutva they conned us into buying
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Pre Independence History and archelogical findings were manipulated by the britishers for their interest, post independence the continuation of the same history prevailed under the watch of Aligarh University, Delhi University and left, and in 70's the Congress-I leaned towards soviet union made made pact with CPI India for coalition.
The history written by britishers on India, got further extension with the touch of communists in India.

It's only India where communists prevail, even China has become capitalist.

Under such circumstances it will take years to dig out the actual history. And you will find one day that Taj Mahal wasn't built by Shah jehan and Red fort delhi was actually a Temple.
 
vsdoc said:
And before that with Stephen and company, it was BJP vs the Congress.
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You can keep Abusing the BJP but the FACT is that Congress took Hindus FOR GRANTED
in such a brazen and shameless manner that Hindu support for BJP and Modi is nothing but a Revolt

Hindus had begun to feel totally sidelined and abused during UPA 2 rule

For years the ONLY two words that came out of Congress 's MOUTH were
Minorities and Secularism

Therefore Hindus have abandoned Congress

This was also realised by the Congressi Rouges who have since then started
visiting Temples
 
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Dagger said:
I deleted the post immediately, hoping you will miss it. Seems you already started a massive reply. It was simply my conviction on hindu nature. You should already know. I am from the south, my exposure is with the jain temples and buddhist temples
, really.
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This story proves my point.
Ex-communicated Parsis Get their own Fire Temple - Pune Mirror -

"A group of reformist Parsis on Monday raised the banner of revolt against orthodoxy by inaugurating a fire temple in Pune that not only recognises children of Parsis who have married outside the community, but also allows non- Parsis entry."
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Now track the attendance of this temple :D . You are one of us whether you like it or not somewhere along the line in future, it seems. Over 40% Parsis are going to intermarry. It is good to see that Zoroastrianism will evolve and survive.
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I also found this interesting piece. Kurds are apparently turning to Zoroastrianism. Seems to me this is happening a lot more than your harped-about Iran. Hope you dont institute a DNA check in these poor folks.
“Why I risked my life to convert to Zoroastrianism”
Kurdish Muslims abandoning Islam for Zoroastrianism in Disgust at ISIL/ Daesh?
THE CURIOUS REBIRTH OF ZOROASTRIANISM IN IRAQI KURDISTAN
 
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Dagger said:
Now track the attendance of this temple :D . You are one of us whether you like it or not somewhere along the line in future, it seems. Over 40% Parsis are going to intermarry. It is good to see that Zoroastrianism will evolve and survive.
@vsdoc

I also found this interesting piece. Kurds are apparently turning to Zoroastrianism. Seems to me this is happening a lot more than your harped-about Iran. Hope you dont institute a DNA check in these poor folks.
“Why I risked my life to convert to Zoroastrianism”
Kurdish Muslims abandoning Islam for Zoroastrianism in Disgust at ISIL/ Daesh?
THE CURIOUS REBIRTH OF ZOROASTRIANISM IN IRAQI KURDISTAN
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I realize this is all new for you, but this prayer hall is four and a half kilometers from my home.

Rebels and liberals and reformists are not news for the Parsi community.

It's a place where kids of mixed unions can come to and learn about the faith. Even pray.

A community hall.

Kurds and Yazidi are Zoroastrian people anyways. As are Azeris and Armenians and most of the central Asian states. What is your point?

Cheers, Doc
 
vsdoc said:
I realize this is all new fir you, but this prayer hall is four and a half kilometers from my home.

Rebels and liberals and reformists are not news for the Parsi community.

It's a place where kids of mixed inions can come to and learn about the faith. Even pray.

A community hall.

Cheers, Doc
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Its a fire temple , my friend. Dont be like this to the kids.
 
vsdoc said:
Do you have any idea of what it takes for a new fire Temple and Atash to be consecrated?

It's a good initiative.

Cheers, Doc
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You already know. i havent the faintest clue.
Couldnt find any data on Zoroastrian renewal in Iran. Only Kurdistan. Its interesting. Near 10000 converts- That more than 5% of your religion in a few years. Now I understand why the other forum people claim ISIS is a plant to defame Islam. If ISIS was going to result in this.
Interesting subject really.
 
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@Dagger

The definitive battle of All Qadissiya was in what is now Iraq.

I see the flames in the middle east as the coming of a holy war.

One which has been foretold both in Zoroastrianism as well as Shia Islam.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Dagger said:
You already know. i havent the faintest clue.
Couldnt find any data on Zoroastrian renewal in Iran. Only Kurdistan. Its interesting. Near 10000 converts- That more than 5% of your religion in a few years. Now I understand why the other forum people claim ISIS is a plant to defame Islam. If ISIS was going to result in this.
Interesting subject really.
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There are 5 million practicing Zoroastrian in the world today, not limited to just India and Iran.

There are by many conservative estimates, nearly 20 million crypto Zoroastrian in Iran today. Who worship the holy Atash and the Avesta at home but are statistical Muslims because apostasy in Islamic Iran could have you hanging from a crane.

Iran is having their Persian Springs at increasingly regular intervals now.

The mullas know it is a matter of time before one gains critical mass.

We have not survived for 1300 years to now waste it by taking short cuts and playing with our faith.

Cheers, Doc
 
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vsdoc said:
There are 5 million practicing Zoroastrian in the world today, not limited to just India and Iran.

There are by many conservative estimates, nearly 20 million crypto Zoroastrian in Iran today. Who worship the holy Atash and the Avesta at home but are statistical Muslims because apostasy in Islamic Iran could have you hanging from a crane.

Iran is having their Persian Springs at increasingly regular intervals now.

The mullas know it is a matter of time before one gains critical mass.

We have not survived for 1300 years to now waste it by taking short cuts and playing with our faith.

Cheers, Doc
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List of countries by Zoroastrian population - Wikipedia
 
vsdoc said:
There are 5 million practicing Zoroastrian in the world today, not limited to just India and Iran.

There are by many conservative estimates, nearly 20 million crypto Zoroastrian in Iran today. Who worship the holy Atash and the Avesta at home but are statistical Muslims because apostasy in Islamic Iran could have you hanging from a crane.

Iran is having their Persian Springs at increasingly regular intervals now.

The mullas know it is a matter of time before one gains critical mass.

We have not survived for 1300 years to now waste it by taking short cuts and playing with our faith.

Cheers, Doc
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Even if what you say is true. Its going to be a bumpy ride. 30 million Pakistani shias willing to fight for the mullahs are no joke.
Well. A Malaysian distribution would be an upgrade to the current system.
 
Notsuperstitious said:
@Itachi take a step back. Look at the larger picture. Last 2 3 years there is a concerted effort to create faultlines in India. Various caste movements in many states, Dalit angle in many, khalistan, now south north...

Whoever is doing it, internal, external, most likely together - they are anti Indian.

Educated good people like you should not fall for it is what I would request you. We should be committed to defeating them.
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The phenomenon you are witnessing my friend is called astroturfing. Its quite an old technique though social media makes it much easier to implement. There is a very simple chain of events which one can understand quite easily.

1. When was he last time when India had more than a third of population accessible for less than USD 200/300 per month? I think still 10-20 secs on doordarshan/cable still runs in Lakhs.
2. When was the last time when a political party acquired almost 2/3rd majority in lower house?
3. When was the last time when a political upheave happened?
 
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vsdoc said:
One vote hardly counts man.

I am aghast at guys all around plotting (albeit on the internet) and exulting at the Congress's decimation (not that the revival is not underway now).

None of us have had to endure what it means to live in a country without free choice and accountability of leadership.

Careful what you wish for ....

Cheers, Doc
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You already did under Indira Gandhi, you just never realized it.
 
vsdoc said:
Hand on heart ask yourself, have you ever in your life seen a more polarized and vitiated pan India social, communal and regional atmosphere as there exists in India among Indians for the past 5+ years.
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From what I hear, during implementation of recommendations of Mandal Commission in 90 or so, India was mighty divided to the point riots. Protests were wide spread and upper castes were totally suspicious of lower castes intentions. Interestingly this was a nation wide protest: Unlike riots of Babri Masjid demolition which was mainly a north India thing.

That said both of these are events before I was born.. So I have not seen on street reality.
 
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