Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

Random illogical policies are easy to change. Not a risk that Xi can take. There is no shortage of funds to any services.
With India and Russia, do you think the US would be foolish to sell the F 35?
the next day the F 35 technical data will be on Putin's desk
Even the US allies, Thailand, UAE, Türkiye have no hope getting the F 35. is there any chance For India to get the F 35?
 
With India and Russia, do you think the US would be foolish to sell the F 35?
the next day the F 35 technical data will be on Putin's desk
How did pakistan get latest F-16 when they were in bed with communists?.

India is not with Russia in any sense otherwise US would have sanctioned us. We already operate best attack helicopter and submarine hunters that they can offer.

The new administration is filled with anti-China and pro-India voices. If India feels insecure, anything will be on the table.

Even the US allies, Thailand, UAE, Türkiye have no hope getting the F 35. is there any chance For India to get the F 35?
None of them are allies and turkey will end up getting it in few years with the new administration.

This is a risk that Xi cannot take as the upside is very limited. Intentionally pushing the most populous nation further into US entanglement is not good for either of us.
 
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None of them are allies and turkey will end up getting it in few years with the new administration.

This is a risk that Xi cannot take as the upside is very limited. Intentionally pushing the most populous nation further into US entanglement is not good for either of us.
After 2017, China and India have entered into a de facto hostile state. It is foolish to say after 2020 that China wants India to remain neutral. The lack of alliance between India and the US is more due to the obvious contradictions between them
None of them are allies and turkey will end up getting it in few years with the new administration
Look it up with Google, all three countries have signed military alliance treaties with the US, don't be so stupid
 
After 2017, China and India have entered into a de facto hostile state. It is foolish to say after 2020 that China wants India to remain neutral. The lack of alliance between India and the US is more due to the obvious contradictions between them
Where did i say India is neutral? Pushing india more will reduce the contradictions which is the point.

Look it up with Google, all three countries have signed military alliance treaties with the US, don't be so stupid
You clearly dont know what a treaty alliance means. Anything close is Turkey, which is through NATO not directly with USA.
 
How did pakistan get latest F-16 when they were in bed with communists?.

India is not with Russia in any sense otherwise US would have sanctioned us. We already operate best attack helicopter and submarine hunters that they can offer.

The new administration is filled with anti-China and pro-India voices. If India feels insecure, anything will be on the table.
P8I,Ah64E,Sounds good, but it's not a core technology, But the F35 is the core US aviation technology, the US is willing to sell the F16 to India, but will never sell the F35
India is not with Russia in any sense otherwise US would have sanctioned us. We already operate best attack helicopter and submarine hunters that they can offer
It is public information that India did not oppose Russia's invasion of Ukraine, nor did it participate in the US sanctions against Russia, but instead bought cheap Russian oil on a massive scale
 
Where did i say India is neutral? Pushing india more will reduce the contradictions which is the point
China doesn't care, it's as simple as that, I think Modi would love to be aligned with the US now like the Philippines, but the US is not willing to, the US will not see a strong India in the South Asian subcontinent and Indian Ocean
 
P8I,Ah64E,Sounds good, but it's not a core technology, But the F35 is the core US aviation technology, the US is willing to sell the F16 to India, but will never sell the F35

Through a new MDP law, India is now on par with NATO allies in terms of access to weapons. Plus we have STA-1 status, that puts us on par with SoKo and Japan. That's why we are getting 100% production ToT for the F414. So if IAF wants F-35, the decision will be based on political interest, there will be no bureaucratic hurdles.


Trump is highly transactional. I won't be surprised if he starts pushing for India to enter the F-35 program himself. With NGAD and F/A-XX coming up, the US will stay a generation ahead by the time any F-35s are delivered to India, so there is opportunity for a sale.
 
On the threat of J-35, we just need to inform Xi that if they proceed with the export, we will have to pursue the F-35 as it would shift the balance in the region.
I said this last month, look were we are now. :LOL:

The threat of F-35 is enough to deter J-35.

It could be that we requested Americans to show the intention, not the other way around as people make it out to be.

 
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Trump is a hard nosed business man. He'd be the last person to indulge in such theatrics. As it happened in the case of Stryker, it's possible that the IAF has shown interest in the Lightning-2. The recent flight of J-36, a ramped up J-20/B build prog and rumors of a possible sale of J-35 to Pak may have forced the IAF (and the IN) to rethink its future strategy.

It's no coincidence that the F-15EX (or any of the MRFA contenders) didn't make an appearance at Aero India (Gripen mock-up notwithstanding) while both the Su-57 and F-35 did. If the follow-on purchase of 36 F3R for the IAF doesn't materialize, it'll be the surest sign that a stop-gap 5G fighter purchase is on the cards.
 
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Trump is a hard nosed business man. He'd be the last person to indulge in such theatrics.
He didn't offer sales but just showed intention to think about it.

It's no coincidence that the F-15EX (or any of the MRFA contenders) didn't make an appearance at Aero India (Gripen mock-up notwithstanding) while both the Su-57 and F-35 did.
This is the third time I'm watching F-35 at aero india. It's nothing special.

Su-57 started going out for shows this time only. Just a coincidence.
 
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He didn't offer sales but just showed intention to think about it.
Trump has clearly said he wants us to buy more US military hardware and selling combat ac to India has been a long-cherished dream of multiple administrations. F-35 is on the table because India has refused to buy any of the teen series fighters. If we sent them an LoR tomorrow, you can be sure Trump will clear F-35 for India. It's India that would have more reservations (and rightly so) about an F-35 deal than the US.

Su-57 started going out for shows this time only. Just a coincidence.
In the backdrop of the proxy war going on in Ukraine, Russian and US 5G jets sitting inches away from each other and flying sorties at an airshow tells me that serious negotiations are underway within MoD and PMO. The GoI could be downplaying it. Time will tell.
 
Trump has clearly said he wants us to buy more US military hardware and selling combat ac to India has been a long-cherished dream of multiple administrations. F-35 is on the table because India has refused to buy any of the teen series fighters. If we sent them an LoR tomorrow, you can be sure Trump will clear F-35 for India. It's India that would have more reservations (and rightly so) about an F-35 deal than the US.
Nope, its not that easy with S400. We will not be going to move forward without external pressure like i said.

In the backdrop of the proxy war going on in Ukraine, Russian and US 5G jets sitting inches away from each other and flying sorties at an airshow tells me that serious negotiations are underway within MoD and PMO. The GoI could be downplaying it. Time will tell.
There is no connection. Whether there is war or not, that jet would still be here.
 
I said this last month, look were we are now. :LOL:

The threat of F-35 is enough to deter J-35.

It could be that we requested Americans to show the intention, not the other way around as people make it out to be.

It can only be said that India is still living in the previous era, the threat of the F35 has never been how its aircraft performance, but as the most powerful information center in the battlefield, is the cornerstone of the US distributed kill theory, while in India, unfortunately, it does not play its due role, because the IAF's weapons are basically Russian and French aircraft. Not even the most basic link16
The radar of the F35, whether the missile is stronger than the J35 is not important, the important thing is that the J35 can form a combat system with the J10C,JF17, and the F35 cannot
 
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It can only be said that India is still living in the previous era, the threat of the F35 has never been how its aircraft performance, but as the most powerful information center in the battlefield, is the cornerstone of the US distributed kill theory, while in India, unfortunately, it does not play its due role, because the IAF's weapons are basically Russian and French aircraft. Not even the most basic link16
The radar of the F35, whether the missile is stronger than the J35 is not important, the important thing is that the J35 can form a combat system with the J10C,JF17, and the F35 cannot
F 35 will probably be bought only when we give US the MRFA tender as well which will help us in getting the link 16 as well. The chances of acquisition for the F 35 is very low though because IAF will request for several adjustments and several other negotiations including the links will be needed which is going to take a long time. I don't see it happening especially if we buy the Rafale under MRFA.

I don't see the 40 odd J 35 for pakistan as a problem especially when the jet will probably won't be IOC certified either when Pakistan gets them. It's more of a "power" show deal for me.

My wait will remain for the AMCA, Tejas mk 2 integrated with the CATS platforms in the near future, they can provide far more than what those F 35 without the link 16 can.
 
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It can only be said that India is still living in the previous era, the threat of the F35 has never been how its aircraft performance, but as the most powerful information center in the battlefield, is the cornerstone of the US distributed kill theory, while in India, unfortunately, it does not play its due role, because the IAF's weapons are basically Russian and French aircraft. Not even the most basic link16
The radar of the F35, whether the missile is stronger than the J35 is not important, the important thing is that the J35 can form a combat system with the J10C,JF17, and the F35 cannot
The merits of the F-35 are beside the point. You completely misunderstood the threat that the F-35 poses if the J-35 is offered. Total lack of awareness of how the world works.
 
It can only be said that India is still living in the previous era, the threat of the F35 has never been how its aircraft performance, but as the most powerful information center in the battlefield, is the cornerstone of the US distributed kill theory, while in India, unfortunately, it does not play its due role, because the IAF's weapons are basically Russian and French aircraft. Not even the most basic link16
The radar of the F35, whether the missile is stronger than the J35 is not important, the important thing is that the J35 can form a combat system with the J10C,JF17, and the F35 cannot

Any F-35 we will get will be based on Israeli's F-35I Adir. It has a second computer that integrates with the Israeli network without the Link 16.