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What is the advantages of holographic head up display over the conventional HUD we seeing on su30. Definitely Holographic display looks cool, any other advantages other than weight?
HUD maximize the field of view (FOV) of the projected image, to maintain a comfortable area in a 2-D or 3-D display viewer within which the eye can move and still see the entire image, and to minimize the size of the projector.

Holographic Combiners Improve Head-Up Displays

 
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We have tried to do this and it is your laws that make it impossible, unless DRDO is willing to pay its share according to your laws.
Normally something that is strategic and very crucial, we don't hesitate to put 500 million to obtain it, especially since Safran was ready to put in as much. You've been trying to get this technology for decades and when it's possible you can't decide. France, to get to the level it has reached, has had to do research for 30 years and spend several billions on this subject. You have no notion of the cost of the technologies you want to buy, which is why you never manage to come to a conclusion.
This is like
1. Promise first to get deal
2. Twist arm after getting money to get more money and even then not fulfilling your commitments.

Sir you can make thousands of excuse for not fulfilling your commitments, but at you will lose billions of $ of business.

Because of your incompetence your permanent customer is moving towards britain and it's fighter programme. May India will be manufacturing hub for Britain 6th generation fighter and may induct it.
 
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It's all beyind a paywall. Any hints that the VL-MICA NG has twice the range of the VL-MICA in it, if one of you has a subscription?
Probably not (exactly the same envoeloppe). Safer bet to estimate a 30% increase in range. Also new GaN antenna and matrix IR imager
 
This is like
1. Promise first to get deal
2. Twist arm after getting money to get more money and even then not fulfilling your commitments.

Sir you can make thousands of excuse for not fulfilling your commitments, but at you will lose billions of $ of business.

Because of your incompetence your permanent customer is moving towards britain and it's fighter programme. May India will be manufacturing hub for Britain 6th generation fighter and may induct it.
You don't understand the situation: our commitment was to accept technology transfer in this field, not free technology transfer.

After defining what to transfer and how to do it, SAFRAN proposed an approach to DRDO. In this approach SAFRAN agreed to invest as much as possible in accordance with Indian laws in order to free itself from part of its offset obligations. But it was not entitled under Indian law to invest 100%.

What was missing should have been invested by DRDO, but DRDO found it too expensive.

And I'm not worried about RR's competition, firstly because I'm out of business, and secondly because there's nothing strategic for France to sell hundreds of Rafales, we just need to keep the assembly line open long enough.

Selling hundreds of Rafale could be a strategic objective for Dassault to make a profit but for my point of view I find that Dassault is rich enough and therefore I am indifferent about this point.

But I would be particularly satisfied if India bought hundreds of Rafales because I think you need them, taking into account your neighbours.
 
You don't understand the situation: our commitment was to accept technology transfer in this field, not free technology transfer.

After defining what to transfer and how to do it, SAFRAN proposed an approach to DRDO. In this approach SAFRAN agreed to invest as much as possible in accordance with Indian laws in order to free itself from part of its offset obligations. But it was not entitled under Indian law to invest 100%.

What was missing should have been invested by DRDO, but DRDO found it too expensive.

And I'm not worried about RR's competition, firstly because I'm out of business, and secondly because there's nothing strategic for France to sell hundreds of Rafales, we just need to keep the assembly line open long enough.

Selling hundreds of Rafale could be a strategic objective for Dassault to make a profit but for my point of view I find that Dassault is rich enough and therefore I am indifferent about this point.

But I would be particularly satisfied if India bought hundreds of Rafales because I think you need them, taking into account your neighbours.
Yeah, @vstol Jockey is right about DA. You guys back stabbed India in this crucial time.
 
I personally feel, Anil Ambani association is what hurt Indian Rafale chances.

If it's TATA / other cos Who are involved in Tejas manufacturing..

We would be rooting for making in India.
 
Thats easy,
  • Should have given actual life cycle cost as EADS did.
  • Shouldnt have given inflated cost (Going back from the RFP) after winning L1.
Both of this derailed MMRCA.
You're talking about old stories that I've already explained. Hydra talks about "this crucial time"...
 
Thats easy,
  • Should have given actual life cycle cost as EADS did.
  • Shouldnt have given inflated cost (Going back from the RFP) after winning L1.
Both of this derailed MMRCA.
Everybody had lied about their life cycle costs. They played like how other players played. It's fault of our procurement policies rather than anything else. We need to buy atleast 54 more to get any real tech transfer from DA. 36 are a pittance.
I personally feel, Anil Ambani association is what hurt Indian Rafale chances.

If it's TATA / other cos Who are involved in Tejas manufacturing..

We would be rooting for making in India.
Funnily enough Boeing actually might win the mmrca 2 because they have tied up with HAL and mahindra. Dassault has yet to select a local partner. So f18 and f15 have a pretty decent chance...
 
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India to receive next batch of Rafale jets

19 October 2020 (Last Updated October 19th, 2020 14:58)
India is set to receive a new batch of Rafale fighter jets next month amid ongoing border tensions with China.

According to an ANI report, three to four Rafale jets will land at the Ambala base in the state of Haryana by the first week of November.

The report quoted a government official as saying: “The second batch of 3-4 Rafale fighter jets would be arriving in India by first week of November from France and preparations are on for their arrival in the country.

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“With the induction of these aircraft, the Indian Air Force (IAF) would have eight-nine fighter aircraft, which will be operationalised within a few days in view of the ongoing situation.”

The first batch of five jets arrived in India in July and was formally inducted into the IAF last month. Following the induction, the five aircraft became part of the ‘Golden Arrows’ 17 Squadron.


India has also deployed this multi-role aircraft in the ongoing military standoff with China.

Notably, India signed deals to procure 36 Rafale jets from Dassault Aviation. One Rafale combat aircraft squadron will be based in Ambala in Haryana and the other will be in Hashimara, West Bengal, to support India’s western and eastern fronts.

Currently, a team led by Assistant Chief of Air Staff (Projects) Air Vice Marshal N Tiwari is in France to review the procurement. Indian pilots are also being trained in France to operate these Rafale fighter jets, a programme expected to continue until March next year.

Last month, Greece also announced plans to purchase 18 Rafale jets.
 
Everybody had lied about their life cycle costs. They played like how other players played. It's fault of our procurement policies rather than anything else. We need to buy atleast 54 more to get any real tech transfer from DA. 36 are a pittance.

Funnily enough Boeing actually might win the mmrca 2 because they have tied up with HAL and mahindra. Dassault has yet to select a local partner. So f18 and f15 have a pretty decent chance...

The F-15 is a no go where the IAF is concerned. The F-18 is more probable for the IN. IAF is not interested in the airplane. We are just delaying the inevitable. More Rafale. Followed by indigenous planes. The lower end of the spectrum needs to be filled with the Tejas and its subsequent iterations. The AMCA, is snake oil till 2035.

What we need is collaboration with either RR or GE or Safran for our engines. While we build our engine tech, work with existing players to build a parallel line. Then learnings from this flows into the indigenous engines. This is a 25 year project. If we attempt this in 5 years, we are bound to fail or fall short again.
 
Everybody had lied about their life cycle costs. They played like how other players played.
No they didn't. That's a myth. Only DA did not produce documents. They should have disqualified at this stage but because of obvious IAF preferences they didn't.