Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

Lolwa said:
Name one deployed radar system in the pla that uses GaN because not even U.S has started mass deploying them. This is either low IQ propaganda, no way the Chinese develop GaN in 2012, but somehow can't even make proper microprocessor chips without western assistance. Your klj7a has such a pathetic performance it's low key hilarious how you guys are taken seriously..
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First of all, APG81, SPY6 are all GaN
Secondly, you are talking about the chip issue. You said that the first chip is an international industrial chain. Because of China's leading 5G technology, we were forcibly excluded from the international market by the United States. We must build a domestic market that can compete with all Western countries. chip industry,
And we have already broken through 14nm, only 3-5 years behind the international most advanced level
If you say that chips are produced independently, even the United States cannot do it. This is an issue of international division of labor and cooperation.

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YLC-8E anti-stealth phased array radar, working in UHF band, using GaN
 
Lolwa said:
Yeah but now it's an outdated design. All of the eurocanards will defeat the f-16 in bvr as well as wvr. The f-15 is as good as your older flankers with their barn-house sized rcs. The thing will be used as a bomb truck by the USAF nothing more.

Name one deployed radar system in the pla that uses GaN because not even U.S has started mass deploying them. This is either low IQ propaganda, no way the Chinese develop GaN in 2012, but somehow can't even make proper microprocessor chips without western assistance. Your klj7a has such a pathetic performance it's low key hilarious how you guys are taken seriously..
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I'm talking about a few GaN radars that have just been exported
New ultra-low-altitude high-precision anti-drone radar
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It has been exported to Saudi Arabia, and a large amount of equipment is used by the Saudi Defense Forces.
If Chinese products are as bad as you said, will Saudi Arabia, a core US ally, import them?
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xxxxx said:
First of all, APG81, SPY6 are all GaN
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GaN based TRMs of AN / APG - 81 is expected to be made available in the mid 20's . Right now these are GaA.

AN / SPY - 6 has just been deployed & versions of it are still under development.

As far as your YLC -8E goes, it's just been introduced. Whether it has GaN or GaA TRMs is something you know better.

Which still leaves the issue open on which GaN TRM Radars did you deploy in 2012 - the development of which you may have begun in the early 2000's when not even the US had developed that technology.
 
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GaN based TRMs of AN / APG - 81 is expected to be made available in the mid 20's . Right now these are GaA.

AN / SPY - 6 has just been deployed & versions of it are still under development.

As far as your YLC -8E goes, it's just been introduced. Whether it has GaN or GaA TRMs is something you know better.

Which still leaves the issue open on which GaN TRM Radars did you deploy in 2012 - the development of which you may have begun in the early 2000's when not even the US had developed that technology.
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First of all, it was a long time ago that the United States broke through GaN, but the United States has not installed it due to cost issues. The APG-79(V)4 that began to be equipped in 2019 is already GaN
By the way, this radar is also air cooled.
What I said was clearly announced at the air show, you can think China is lying, I have no interest in changing your opinion on China.

After all, most people still think that China is an upstart relying on cheap labor
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
GaN based TRMs of AN / APG - 81 is expected to be made available in the mid 20's . Right now these are GaA.

AN / SPY - 6 has just been deployed & versions of it are still under development.

As far as your YLC -8E goes, it's just been introduced. Whether it has GaN or GaA TRMs is something you know better.

Which still leaves the issue open on which GaN TRM Radars did you deploy in 2012 - the development of which you may have begun in the early 2000's when not even the US had developed that technology.
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This is the number of patent applications for GaN in China (green), the US (blue), Japan (yellow)
 
So someone in an air show in China in 2012 makes an announcement that they've developed a GaN TRM radar which you duly inflict us with for making the mistake of asking you & then back it up with this unattested graph which we're supposed to accept unquestioningly.

I think you're an honest Chinese. I believe you.

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This is the number of patent applications for GaN in China (green), the US (blue), Japan (yellow)
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xxxxx said:
First of all, it was a long time ago that the United States broke through GaN, but the United States has not installed it due to cost issues. The APG-79(V)4 that began to be equipped in 2019 is already GaN
By the way, this radar is also air cooled.
What I said was clearly announced at the air show, you can think China is lying, I have no interest in changing your opinion on China.

After all, most people still think that China is an upstart relying on cheap labor
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Let me take the opportunity to do both inform & caution you that there's no better person in the whole wide world more talented at storytelling than Indians. It's not only our hobby but our passion which we take very seriously.

The world's biggest epic is Indian , it's in the form of a poem & it's more than 3500 yrs old ( some argue it's at least 5000 yrs old, but let's not go there. Now, You see how the problem began & metastasized ) .

When you come up with such stories you insult Indians not so much by questioning their IQ ( which you are) but by challenging their abilities to come up with better stories which you think they can't . To your misfortune you've just crossed swords with a renowned story teller here who's not going to take this lying down.

You've asked for it, you've had it !!
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
So someone in an air show in China in 2012 makes an announcement that they've developed a GaN TRM radar which you duly inflict us with for making the mistake of asking you & then back it up with this unattested graph which we're supposed to accept unquestioningly.

I think you're an honest Chinese. I believe you.
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When did I say we deployed GaN radar in 2012, did I just say we broke out T/R components in 2012?
All of the radars mentioned earlier were announced at the 2018 or 2021 airshow
 
_Anonymous_ said:
Let me take the opportunity to do both inform & caution you that there's no better person in the whole wide world more talented at storytelling than Indians. It's not only our hobby but our passion which we take very seriously.

The world's biggest epic is Indian , it's in the form of a poem & it's more than 3500 yrs old ( some argue it's at least 5000 yrs old, but let's not go there. Now, You see how the problem began & metastasized ) .

When you come up with such stories you insult Indians not so much by questioning their IQ ( which you are) but by challenging their abilities to come up with better stories which you think they can't . To your misfortune you've just crossed swords with a renowned story teller here who's not going to take this lying down.

You've asked for it, you've had it !!
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Are we talking about India? If you want to introduce the glorious history of India, we can talk about it separately
As I said, the military is made up of facts, not what you believe or don't believe
 
randomradio said:
From the front, the biggest reflectors are the inlets followed by the cockpit. As long as those two are taken care of, the RCS will be very small. Wings are the third biggest.

Canards spoil RCS only in some flight regimes, not all the time. In level flight, the canards do not contribute much to RCS.

RCS of IRSTs can be made to be irrelevant by forcing signals to bounce around inside it.

Dimensions? Not really relevant. It's about design, not size.
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You're right, the air intake contributes more to the RCS value than the canard, but that doesn't mean the canard has a negligible impact on stealth.
The figure in the upper right corner of this paper shows the main impact of canards on stealth, which requires special treatment of canards
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xxxxx said:
The APG-79(V)4 that began to be equipped in 2019 is already GaN
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The date is May 2021.
Raytheon Intelligence & Space has delivered the first APG-79(V)4 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar prototype to the US Marine Corps (USMC) for testing on the Boeing F/A-18C/D Hornet multi-role fighter.
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USMC receives first APG-79(V)4 AESA radar prototype

Raytheon Intelligence & Space has delivered the first APG-79(V)4 active electronically scanned array radar prototype to the USMC for testing on the Boeing F/A-18C/D Hornet multi-role fighter
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Lolwa said:
Because United States focus on electronic attack using its air force Russia focuses on wide band jamming using ground ew combined with a crude version of American style SEAD missions systems while the Chinese copy whatever the Americans and Russians do. The French having a small force use active cancellation effectively becoming invisible provided spectra will be effective against Aesa's as it is against pesa's. The don't need massive strike packages because that's not their doctrine of fighting.
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It's none of that. The French simply created and deployed active cancellation first. The others are introducing it only now or will be doing so soon.
 
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zapper said:
Given the pace at which our negotiations go, all the allegations and often unrealistic demands...I'm confident IAF wouldn't get it's first MRFA jet be it license manufactured or CBU import within 7 years particularly if it's the Rafale given their order book
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The timeframe is so wide that even if MRFA fails, there is still time for a new tender before TEDBF becomes available.
 
Optimist said:
Please leave the super hornet out of your fantasies. It's too embarrassing to be associated to such nonsense.

As to the Rafale, that is probably the refueling probe hanging in the wind. What about the rest of the plane?
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You don't know anything, so it's obvious you think even normal stuff is nonsense. You are like a flat earther who can't comprehend the concept of a spherical earth. For most of us, these RCS figures are pretty normal.
 
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