They can make indian Rafale M in that line. But not mmrca. GOI will insist an indian partner.Absolutely. Now the Indian factory is fully-owned by Dassault. So they can easily fulfil our order using their Indian facility. But perhaps we need to order more than 36 for that to happen
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The Dassault CEO answer is always the same : a minimum of 90 birds to create an assembly line.Absolutely. Now the Indian factory is fully-owned by Dassault. So they can easily fulfil our order using their Indian facility. But perhaps we need to order more than 36 for that to happen
Now that there is a (small) factory already in India, the minimum level may be short. 60? 70?
(latribune.fr_sept.03_paywall)
"I think we can expect another contract (Rafale, editor's note) before the end of the year. I hope so," said the CEO of Dassault Aviation on radio Europe 1 on Saturday evening just two days after signing the contract in Serbia (12 Rafale). A short sentence that is far from insignificant coming from Eric Trappier, who of course did not mention the country with which he was in negotiations, nor the number of aircraft under discussion. This country is most certainly India, which announced in July 2023 the selection of the Rafale Marine to equip the Indian Navy.
And according to concordant sources, the French aircraft manufacturer and its partners from Team Rafale (Thales and Safran) have finalized discussions with New Delhi for the sale of 26 Rafale Marine. Especially since the equipment manufacturer has once again mastered the technology of reinforced landing gear (titanium) to meet the conditions of landing and catapulting. Contacted by La Tribune, Dassault Aviation did not wish to comment.
Second hand Rafale?
Eric Trappier's little phrase also demonstrates the aircraft manufacturer's confidence in the decisive progress with India, which has already purchased 36 Rafale for the Indian Air Force in 2016. Aircraft that have already all been delivered. But Dassault Aviation must still wait for the end of negotiations between MBDA, which would delay the conclusion of this transaction. The European missile manufacturer is renegotiating under the benevolence of the Ministry of the Armed Forces, according to our information, certain clauses relating to the prices of missiles (inflation, in particular). Which is not insignificant in a country like India where this type of negotiation can last...
In this transaction with the Indian authorities, it is possible that France will sell one or two second-hand Rafale Marines among the 26 units. They could be used to train Indian naval pilots. In addition, this contract could also allow the French Navy, which has three Rafale flotillas (36 aircraft out of a fleet of 41) to order new aircraft to replace the first Rafale Marines that entered service in 2002 as well as the four that crashed.
Aboard the INS Vikrant
The Indian Navy had expressed an initial need for 26 aircraft to equip its aircraft carrier INS Vikrant "Made in India". The tricolor combat aircraft will allow the Indians to have a homogeneous fleet between the Rafale Air and the Rafale Marine. New Delhi received the last aircraft of the order of 36 Rafales in December 2022. The two Indian Rafale squadrons are fully operational. The Rafale Marine trials were decisive in the choice made by for the French aircraft manufacturer. In January 2022, it took part in trials in January in Goa on a land platform, which served as a springboard and was adapted to the configuration of an Indian aircraft carrier in terms of size.
Export sales of the Rafale have exceeded those of the Mirage 2000 (286 aircraft sold for export). To date, Dassault Aviation and France have firmly sold 297 Rafales, including 24 second-hand (55 to Egypt, 36 to Qatar, 36 to India, 24 to Greece, including 12 second-hand, 80 to the United Arab Emirates, 12 second-hand to Croatia, 42 to Indonesia and 12 to Serbia). Adding the 26 Rafale Marines in India, the French combat aircraft will have sold 323 units. On the commercial front, Dassault Aviation is having "a real Rafale moment, which is lasting", Eric Trappier often repeats. India will prove him right again. /deepl
Dassault Aviation to sign Rafale Marine contract in India by the end of 2024
Dassault Aviation has a very good chance of signing a Rafale export contract in India by the end of the year. Negotiations are finalized, with the exception of those with MBDA. Which is delaying the signing of the transaction."I think we can expect another contract (Rafale, editor's note) before the end of the year. I hope so," said the CEO of Dassault Aviation on radio Europe 1 on Saturday evening just two days after signing the contract in Serbia (12 Rafale). A short sentence that is far from insignificant coming from Eric Trappier, who of course did not mention the country with which he was in negotiations, nor the number of aircraft under discussion. This country is most certainly India, which announced in July 2023 the selection of the Rafale Marine to equip the Indian Navy.
And according to concordant sources, the French aircraft manufacturer and its partners from Team Rafale (Thales and Safran) have finalized discussions with New Delhi for the sale of 26 Rafale Marine. Especially since the equipment manufacturer has once again mastered the technology of reinforced landing gear (titanium) to meet the conditions of landing and catapulting. Contacted by La Tribune, Dassault Aviation did not wish to comment.
Second hand Rafale?
Eric Trappier's little phrase also demonstrates the aircraft manufacturer's confidence in the decisive progress with India, which has already purchased 36 Rafale for the Indian Air Force in 2016. Aircraft that have already all been delivered. But Dassault Aviation must still wait for the end of negotiations between MBDA, which would delay the conclusion of this transaction. The European missile manufacturer is renegotiating under the benevolence of the Ministry of the Armed Forces, according to our information, certain clauses relating to the prices of missiles (inflation, in particular). Which is not insignificant in a country like India where this type of negotiation can last...
In this transaction with the Indian authorities, it is possible that France will sell one or two second-hand Rafale Marines among the 26 units. They could be used to train Indian naval pilots. In addition, this contract could also allow the French Navy, which has three Rafale flotillas (36 aircraft out of a fleet of 41) to order new aircraft to replace the first Rafale Marines that entered service in 2002 as well as the four that crashed.
Aboard the INS Vikrant
The Indian Navy had expressed an initial need for 26 aircraft to equip its aircraft carrier INS Vikrant "Made in India". The tricolor combat aircraft will allow the Indians to have a homogeneous fleet between the Rafale Air and the Rafale Marine. New Delhi received the last aircraft of the order of 36 Rafales in December 2022. The two Indian Rafale squadrons are fully operational. The Rafale Marine trials were decisive in the choice made by for the French aircraft manufacturer. In January 2022, it took part in trials in January in Goa on a land platform, which served as a springboard and was adapted to the configuration of an Indian aircraft carrier in terms of size.
Export sales of the Rafale have exceeded those of the Mirage 2000 (286 aircraft sold for export). To date, Dassault Aviation and France have firmly sold 297 Rafales, including 24 second-hand (55 to Egypt, 36 to Qatar, 36 to India, 24 to Greece, including 12 second-hand, 80 to the United Arab Emirates, 12 second-hand to Croatia, 42 to Indonesia and 12 to Serbia). Adding the 26 Rafale Marines in India, the French combat aircraft will have sold 323 units. On the commercial front, Dassault Aviation is having "a real Rafale moment, which is lasting", Eric Trappier often repeats. India will prove him right again. /deepl
Insight into IAF Rafale. Boy! Seems like IAF is loving this beauty:
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i am surprised no one posted this
Go to 9:50 , listen for yourself how Bharat Karnad opens the dhoti of this corrupt airforce. bureaucrats & airforce officers getting commissions from Dassault. But braindead nationalists will still deepthroat french, just beyond my understanding. gora maal hai, sepoys toh obviously fislenge hi
. jis din cheeni serious ho gaya in sab ki gaand mari jayegi.
Go to 9:50 , listen for yourself how Bharat Karnad opens the dhoti of this corrupt airforce. bureaucrats & airforce officers getting commissions from Dassault. But braindead nationalists will still deepthroat french, just beyond my understanding. gora maal hai, sepoys toh obviously fislenge hi
. jis din cheeni serious ho gaya in sab ki gaand mari jayegi.Bharat Karnad is totally irrelevant. Who really takes this guy seriously these days? These individuals were part of the old Lutyen defense establishment. The same goes for Pravin Sawhney and Ajay Shukla. They were kicked out and lost all access. Now they have to keep inventing things to stay relevant. What a spectacular failure their earlier "Rafale scam" project was.i am surprised no one posted this
Go to 9:50 , listen for yourself how Bharat Karnad opens the dhoti of this corrupt airforce. bureaucrats & airforce officers getting commissions from Dassault. But braindead nationalists will still deepthroat french, just beyond my understanding. gora maal hai, sepoys toh obviously fislenge hi
Ah yes, guy who drafted india's nuclear doctrine, the guy who's books are touted as bible for india's Strategic Forces Command needs attention. Keyboard warriors need to stop at a certain point. Aukaat dekh kar bolo zara bhai.
Bharat Karnad is a very sensible & deeply respected guy. He's actually deflecting blame from modi but sabne political kool-aid pee rakha hai. He's actually pointing out the corruption in bureaucracy rather than the political elite. Alas, keyboard warriors know more.
All this tells me that most of the people who comment on such things never really talk to actual officers of the services. Rafala kickbacks are a open secret. No officer would deny it. I actually met my family relative a few days ago(he's a wing commander in AF), corruption ka topic utha toh us bande ne IAF ke corruption ki khud hi pol khol di (starting from allocation of living quarters and then went on and on). Sab jagah ghus dekar hi kaam chalta hai. [Rafale corruption ke baare main usne hi bataya tha mujhe, he didnt want to talk about rafale much deeper than that]
Indian nuclear doctrine
You got to be kidding me. One has to be knee-deep in gandhi circle to give Karnad any credit regarding Indian doctrine. Google K. Subrahmanyam and his writings. You will learn something.Its always nice to hear cabbie stories especially from delhi circles.
You absolute clown, Bharat Karnad was part of that same drafting Committee (overseeing the formation of Nuclear Doctrine) along with K Subrahmanyam. He was a member of National Security Council Advisory Board (NSCAB).Indian nuclear doctrine
He even mentions K Subrahmanyam at 32:30 in that same podcast.
Also, 1:08:00 - last chapter dedicated to jaishanker and his father.
I dont live in delhi. The guy i was talking to was posted on western border with paxtan.
Anyways, you can talk to IAF officers yourself to form your own opinions but I don't think you know one, otherwise you wouldn't waste time arguing online and just ask these poeple about their opinions on corruption in their own services.
Anyways, goodluck, i am off.
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NSA in past has made it clear that India No First use policy is only against non nuclear state..... I don't know why this karnad guy allegedly a nuclear & defence policy exfart keep parroting this BS again & again.
Regardless BK has raised some valid points. Not referring to this particular podcast in question but in the past some of his thoughts were found to be outdated some extremist like his suggestion we transfer N tech to Vietnam , some outlandish like his repeated suggestions to come to some sort of terms with Paxtan so we can focus all our attention on China.
At least he's not in the league of the likes of Sawhney who pulls things from his rear with no knowledge of what he's talking about thus rendering himself the object of ridicule.
For example way back in 2003 he recommended we transfer Prithvi to Vietnam. More than 2 decades later we've sold Brahmos to Philipines & are negotiating the sale of it with quite a few SE Asian countries.
I'd definitely listen & take cognizance of what BK has to say even if I may not agree with it .
At least he's not in the league of the likes of Sawhney who pulls things from his rear with no knowledge of what he's talking about thus rendering himself the object of ridicule.
For example way back in 2003 he recommended we transfer Prithvi to Vietnam. More than 2 decades later we've sold Brahmos to Philipines & are negotiating the sale of it with quite a few SE Asian countries.
I'd definitely listen & take cognizance of what BK has to say even if I may not agree with it .
No, Vietnamese doesn't think like that. They want to profit between China and USA. They think they will comfortably make money as Chinese decoupling with USA and want to maintain the status quo. Time will tell whether a Grade-B power attempting to play two Grade-A countries will be same as a Grade-C country attempting to play two Grade-A countries.
What's the context in which I made my post & what on earth are you on about ?
I wrote BK proposed certain sales to Vietnam. Vietnam itself is in discussions for the Brahmos , the same Vietnam which recently had massive rioting which burnt down Chinese factories in Vietnam & assaulted Chinese there .
Since it's a communist country where apart from breathing in air without the permission of the communist party everything else being controlled by them do you think these protests were spontaneous ?
Besides both Vietnam & China are locked in a dispute about the Spratly Islands & other issues in the SCS while trade ties continue to bloom. Do you think the Indian government is a fool to cultivate Vietnam especially defence ties with it extending it a line of credit ?
IAF's Rafale pilots also used the MSA Gallet helmets:
i am surprised no one posted this
Go to 9:50 , listen for yourself how Bharat Karnad opens the dhoti of this corrupt airforce. bureaucrats & airforce officers getting commissions from Dassault. But braindead nationalists will still deepthroat french, just beyond my understanding. gora maal hai, sepoys toh obviously fislenge hi
He used to be good once upon a time. But now he's just a political stooge.
And he knows jacksh!t about aircraft.
As for corruption in the forces, it's at a more local and internal level. So you can steal someone's assigned plot and make some pocketchange or practise nepotism or skim off the top via DPSUs, but that's about it. They don't mess with very large and international programs due to the high probability of getting caught.
Dude calling INS Betwa a frontline guided missile destroyer highlights his credibility pretty welli am surprised no one posted this
Go to 9:50 , listen for yourself how Bharat Karnad opens the dhoti of this corrupt airforce. bureaucrats & airforce officers getting commissions from Dassault. But braindead nationalists will still deepthroat french, just beyond my understanding. gora maal hai, sepoys toh obviously fislenge hi