Small Arms & Tactical Equipment

These are fixable problems. You can get pvt. contractors to teach infantry tactics. If there is will, we can start today.

We could have started yesterday. But we didn't.

I prefer gripping at the front of the barrel, this won't happen with the 203s since the handguard is so short :/

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not sure if this is a very modern way but it's the way I was taught. Troops will have to rely on mod kits to extend the handrail or get vertical grips where they can.

Yeah that's called C-clamping. It's best done when the support arm is as outstretched as possible but you can still do it on an AK with a regular-sized handguard (like our 203s). Especially if you've got an optic on the dust cover which means you no longer have to worry about your thumb blocking the sight picture.

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But as there's no indication that we'll be going for standardized adoption of optics for our infantry rifles, the fact that soldiers may have to rely on iron sights will preclude adoption of any C-clamp techniques as it would be detrimental in that case:

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As far as the regular infantry goes, this is a more serious obstacle to learning C-clamping than having a short handguard. That said, C-clamp is designed for a specific use-case: Better control over muzzle flip in intense firefights over relatively short durations. Because outstretching the support hand like that over long durations induces tremendous fatigue.

It works for SFs which conduct largely in-and-out operations, but for infantry that may have to ruck march 10 miles and then maintain security at fixed positions for days on end...not so much. The support arm is likely to drop into a low-fatigue position like magwell-gripping or just hanging on to the vertical grip fairly quickly.

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Army's acquisition of 550 units of 9x19mm SMGs has entered second phase.

The initial participants were the following:

1. DEPL-Tanfoglio CBR-9/TCMP:
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Italian firm Tanfoglio did at JV to market their SMG in India. No idea if manufacturing &/or assembly in India was on the table.

2. PLR Systems - IWI UZI Pro:
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The IWI UZI is already in IA's service in good quantity. The UZI Pro is an improved variant of the original. PLR Systems makes the gun in India from raw material stage.

3. SSS Defence - G72 9mm SMG:
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SSS Defence G72 SMG is a completely new product. Not much is known of this gun except the caliber. The only pic we have is the one above. This gun is still a work in progress than an actual product. SSSD will probably pitch this as a product tailor made for the IA, of course IA has to pay for its development.

4. Vinveli Automated Systems - CZUB CZ Scorpion:
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Another JV. This time the OEM is from the Czech Republic. this JV has supplied some other rifles to some police units.

4. Optic Electronic - B&T MP-9:
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The MP-9 is already used by IA, PARAs, NSG, Ghatak platoons etc. As with many other Swiss product, this too is incredibly expensive. I doubt local assembly will help reduce prices.

5. Jindal Defence - Taurus T9:
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The Brazilian company just recently started production in India with their Indian partner. Their pistols for the civilian market have started arriving on stores.

6. IA-ARDE-LML - ASMI 9x19mm MP:
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Other than the G-72, this is the only domestic player in this competition. Ironically much of its design was done by an Army officer to address the short falls of the UZI & the MP-9.

As of now, all but the last 2 participants have been disqualified in the technical evaluation stage. The last 2 are headed for financial evaluation.

I've made a chart comparing the 2 guns using publicly available information. I've used a bit of speculation too. I've marked in green the specs I thought were superior & in red the ones I thought were inferior. This is not a definitive comparison but a good rule of thumb:
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ASMI seems to come out on top. There are other important details that I have avoided. Like cost of the gun, where ASMI would be better any day. The winner of this contest should be a no-brainer. But we all know that's not how arms procurement works in this country.

I'll attach a video of the ASMI below:

@Parthu


Some screenshots from the video:

LMT manufactured ASMIs have started reaching the forces:
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Light? Laser optics?
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I was a bit concerned that the operator might accidentally slip their fingers infront of the barrel of this gun. The designers seem to be adressing that problem by adding a finger stopper to the vertical foregrip.
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2 position fire selector or 3 position? You can clearly see "S" & "A" meaning Safe & Auto respectively. What is that R in the front?
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Again for some reason I'm not getting the notification when mentioned.


Some screenshots from the video:

LMT manufactured ASMIs have started reaching the forces:
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I love how this turned out! You can almost immediately see the elegance & ergonomics of the product when it's designed by the user (as opposed to the geniuses at ARDE who've probably never fired a gun in their lives before being assigned a project to build a new one).


It's both - looks like a Sightmark LoPro Mini light/laser combo:


I was a bit concerned that the operator might accidentally slip their fingers infront of the barrel of this gun. The designers seem to be adressing that problem by adding a finger stopper to the vertical foregrip.
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Benefits of iterative design.

Man, I cannot wait to see what this Colonel will get up to after he retires. If I was a VC I'd be looking to invest.

2 position fire selector or 3 position? You can clearly see "S" & "A" meaning Safe & Auto respectively. What is that R in the front?
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3-position.

R typically stands for Repeating aka semi-auto.
 

Indo-Russian joint venture handed over 27,000 Ak-203 assault rifles to Indian Army

The Indian Army has started receiving the Russian AK-203 assault rifles after the deal with Russia saw back-to-back delays, partly due to the war in Ukraine and payment delays. As many as 27,000 rifles have been handed over to the Army so far by the Indo-Russian joint venture established at Korwa in Uttar Pradesh, according to official sources.

“Everything is on track after initial delays, and 27,000 rifles have been given to the Army. Another 8,000 will be handed over in the next two weeks. Indigenisation level achieved is around 25%,” an official in the know said.

A source said that more than 10,000 rifles have been handed over to Units and additional ones are being inspected.

Under an over ₹5,000-crore contract signed in July 2021, over 6.1 lakh AK-203 assault rifles are to be manufactured in India with technology transfer from Russia, by a joint venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL). The IRRPL was set up in 2019 between the erstwhile Ordnance Factory Board [now Advanced Weapons and Equipment India Limited (AWEIL) and Munitions India Limited (MIL)] from India and Rosoboronexport (RoE) and Kalashnikov concern of Russia.

As reported by The Hindu earlier, as per contractual terms, the first 70,000 rifles will be produced in India with a phased increase in the extent of localisation from 5% to 70%. The remaining rifles will be produced with 100% localisation. The full-scale production of the Ak-203 rifles is expected to be reached within 2-3 years.

‘Systematic manner’​

On the ongoing process of indigenisation, the source stated that it was being done in an “extremely systematic manner”. “So, the process will be slow. Even our initial timelines catered for two years for this process of 70% indigenous content,” the source said, adding, “We are aiming to achieve it before that.”

As reported earlier, in the backdrop of repeated delays in concluding the deal, India had procured and inducted 70,000 Ak-103 assault rifles off the shelf under a deal signed in August 2021.

For a while, the Army has been looking to replace the indigenous INSAS (Indian National Small Arms System) rifles in use with a modern rifle. The Army has inducted 66,400 of the 72,400 SIG-716 assault rifles procured under a ₹700-crore deal in February 2019 with Sig Sauer of the U.S. which have been provided to frontline troops involved in counter-insurgency operations. The Ak-203 rifles were to meet the larger demand for assault rifles. However, as the deal conclusion got stuck over the issue of pricing, the Army decided to go for a repeat order of another 72,400 SIG-716 rifles.
 

Indo-Russian joint venture handed over 27,000 Ak-203 assault rifles to Indian Army

The Indian Army has started receiving the Russian AK-203 assault rifles after the deal with Russia saw back-to-back delays, partly due to the war in Ukraine and payment delays. As many as 27,000 rifles have been handed over to the Army so far by the Indo-Russian joint venture established at Korwa in Uttar Pradesh, according to official sources.

“Everything is on track after initial delays, and 27,000 rifles have been given to the Army. Another 8,000 will be handed over in the next two weeks. Indigenisation level achieved is around 25%,” an official in the know said.

A source said that more than 10,000 rifles have been handed over to Units and additional ones are being inspected.

Under an over ₹5,000-crore contract signed in July 2021, over 6.1 lakh AK-203 assault rifles are to be manufactured in India with technology transfer from Russia, by a joint venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL). The IRRPL was set up in 2019 between the erstwhile Ordnance Factory Board [now Advanced Weapons and Equipment India Limited (AWEIL) and Munitions India Limited (MIL)] from India and Rosoboronexport (RoE) and Kalashnikov concern of Russia.

As reported by The Hindu earlier, as per contractual terms, the first 70,000 rifles will be produced in India with a phased increase in the extent of localisation from 5% to 70%. The remaining rifles will be produced with 100% localisation. The full-scale production of the Ak-203 rifles is expected to be reached within 2-3 years.

‘Systematic manner’​

On the ongoing process of indigenisation, the source stated that it was being done in an “extremely systematic manner”. “So, the process will be slow. Even our initial timelines catered for two years for this process of 70% indigenous content,” the source said, adding, “We are aiming to achieve it before that.”

As reported earlier, in the backdrop of repeated delays in concluding the deal, India had procured and inducted 70,000 Ak-103 assault rifles off the shelf under a deal signed in August 2021.

For a while, the Army has been looking to replace the indigenous INSAS (Indian National Small Arms System) rifles in use with a modern rifle. The Army has inducted 66,400 of the 72,400 SIG-716 assault rifles procured under a ₹700-crore deal in February 2019 with Sig Sauer of the U.S. which have been provided to frontline troops involved in counter-insurgency operations. The Ak-203 rifles were to meet the larger demand for assault rifles. However, as the deal conclusion got stuck over the issue of pricing, the Army decided to go for a repeat order of another 72,400 SIG-716 rifles.

Some pics of 203s in service with the Army:

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Beautiful product. Let's put it in Army testing, hoping they will not send it to the moon for testing by our babus and kill this product. JVPC was good, but as mentioned, due to the bullet size it was rejected.
 
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Beautiful product. Let's put it in Army testing, hoping they will not send it to the moon for testing by our babus and kill this product. JVPC was good, but as mentioned, due to the bullet size it was rejected.
Already went through testing and 550 units ordered by para sf unit (contract not awarded yet) and no big 9mm RFI out for Asmii to participate rn
 

The T4 rifle from Jindal and Taurus Armas passes new tests in the mega-tender for 425,000 weapons in India

The current tender opened by the Indian Government can be considered the largest procurement process for light weapons currently underway in the world.

Within the framework of its Make in India vision, the Indian Government is carrying out a mega tender to acquire 425,000 rifles to retrofit its Armed and Security Forces. On May 30, new tests were carried out with the weapons in contention, including the Brazilian T4 rifle proposed by Jindal Defense (JD) and Taurus Weapons.

The so-called ' summer tests' were carried out at the Mhow Infantry School , and have aimed to verify accuracy, probability of success, and resistance in conditions of high ambient temperature.

The heat around the school has been very intense, and record temperatures of up to 52.9ºC were recorded in India in the last week of May.

During the test day, the JD Taurus T4 rifle showed stable and reliable performance in all tests, obtaining a score of 100% in target shooting at 100 meters (10/10) and target shooting at 200 meters (10/10); and achieving an important mark in the resistance test, 2000 shots without failure.

During the tests, the JD Taurus team was made up of 12 professionals, including Brazilian technicians.

Mega tender for 425,000 rifles

The current tender opened by the Indian Government for the acquisition of CQB carbines (rifles) can be considered the largest procurement process for light weapons currently underway in the world.

The weapon selected, in 5.56 mm caliber, must have MIL-STD1913 Picatinny rails and mounts for a 120mm bayonet. The standard mass and grip of the sight should be adjustable for shooting up to 200 meters.

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The JD Taurus Weapons T4 in configuration with MIL-STD1913 Picatinny rails and mounts for a 120mm bayonet. Signature: JD Taurus Weapons

Around 20 companies responded to the request for information opened by the Indian Ministry of Defense (MoD), and 15 of them, including Brazil's Taurus Armas SA (associated with Jindal Defense ), responded to its restricted request for proposals to supply 425. 213 close combat carbines (CQB) for the Indian Army (418,455 units) and Indian Navy (6,758 units), worth an estimated $ 424 million , incorporating at least 60% indigenous design and content, being held the competition within the Buy Indian category of the Defense Public Procurement Procedure - 2020.

According to the RFP published on November 29, 2022, the global order will ultimately be divided between the two lowest bidders – or L1 and L2 – the first producing 255,128 rifles and the other the remaining 170,085 .

However, in case L2 (second lowest bidder) does not meet the costs, terms and conditions of supplier L1, the entire batch of CQB carbines will be supplied by the latter.

The selected supplier or suppliers will have to provide all training to the Army and Navy in the handling and maintenance of the carbines, as well as provide general product support for at least 15 years.

All competing rifles are undergoing rigorous technical evaluation, maintenance and user testing, and delivery of the winning model is expected to begin eight months after contract signing, with completion scheduled for 90 months later.

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Amit Bavejaa (center), the JD Taurus Indian pro who led the team during the T4 testing in Mhow. Signature: JD Taurus Armas

Amit Bavejaa , the JD Taurus Indian pro who led the team during the trials in Mhow, praised the team's performance on social media: “When we achieve superior individual performance and learn to have esprit de corps, incredible results are achieved. The excellent classification in another battery of tests qualifies the JD Taurus T4 rifle for the next phase, which will take place on July 17," he stated.

If the Brazilian rifle passes this phase and is approved again, the last phase before the winner is announced will take place in the mountains of the Indian Himalayas in December, with winter tests carried out in extremely difficult and demanding atmospheric conditions.

Indian Army Infantry School

The Mhow Infantry School , located in the town of Mhow, in the state of Madhya Pradesh, is the alma mater of the Indian Army Infantry and constitutes the largest and oldest military training center of this armed body.

The institution is responsible for developing the entire spectrum of tactical exercises and concepts related to infantry operating in varied terrain and environments, and presents them from time to time. The Infantry School, which provides tactical, weapons and leadership training to young infantry officers, NCOs and non-commissioned officers and enables them to effectively lead a subunit (company) in any tactical level operation in a decentralized environment, has achieved global recognition for its competition and infrastructure.
 

The T4 rifle from Jindal and Taurus Armas passes new tests in the mega-tender for 425,000 weapons in India

The current tender opened by the Indian Government can be considered the largest procurement process for light weapons currently underway in the world.

Within the framework of its Make in India vision, the Indian Government is carrying out a mega tender to acquire 425,000 rifles to retrofit its Armed and Security Forces. On May 30, new tests were carried out with the weapons in contention, including the Brazilian T4 rifle proposed by Jindal Defense (JD) and Taurus Weapons.

The so-called ' summer tests' were carried out at the Mhow Infantry School , and have aimed to verify accuracy, probability of success, and resistance in conditions of high ambient temperature.

The heat around the school has been very intense, and record temperatures of up to 52.9ºC were recorded in India in the last week of May.

During the test day, the JD Taurus T4 rifle showed stable and reliable performance in all tests, obtaining a score of 100% in target shooting at 100 meters (10/10) and target shooting at 200 meters (10/10); and achieving an important mark in the resistance test, 2000 shots without failure.

During the tests, the JD Taurus team was made up of 12 professionals, including Brazilian technicians.

Mega tender for 425,000 rifles

The current tender opened by the Indian Government for the acquisition of CQB carbines (rifles) can be considered the largest procurement process for light weapons currently underway in the world.

The weapon selected, in 5.56 mm caliber, must have MIL-STD1913 Picatinny rails and mounts for a 120mm bayonet. The standard mass and grip of the sight should be adjustable for shooting up to 200 meters.

6719617

The JD Taurus Weapons T4 in configuration with MIL-STD1913 Picatinny rails and mounts for a 120mm bayonet. Signature: JD Taurus Weapons

Around 20 companies responded to the request for information opened by the Indian Ministry of Defense (MoD), and 15 of them, including Brazil's Taurus Armas SA (associated with Jindal Defense ), responded to its restricted request for proposals to supply 425. 213 close combat carbines (CQB) for the Indian Army (418,455 units) and Indian Navy (6,758 units), worth an estimated $ 424 million , incorporating at least 60% indigenous design and content, being held the competition within the Buy Indian category of the Defense Public Procurement Procedure - 2020.

According to the RFP published on November 29, 2022, the global order will ultimately be divided between the two lowest bidders – or L1 and L2 – the first producing 255,128 rifles and the other the remaining 170,085 .

However, in case L2 (second lowest bidder) does not meet the costs, terms and conditions of supplier L1, the entire batch of CQB carbines will be supplied by the latter.

The selected supplier or suppliers will have to provide all training to the Army and Navy in the handling and maintenance of the carbines, as well as provide general product support for at least 15 years.

All competing rifles are undergoing rigorous technical evaluation, maintenance and user testing, and delivery of the winning model is expected to begin eight months after contract signing, with completion scheduled for 90 months later.

6719606

Amit Bavejaa (center), the JD Taurus Indian pro who led the team during the T4 testing in Mhow. Signature: JD Taurus Armas

Amit Bavejaa , the JD Taurus Indian pro who led the team during the trials in Mhow, praised the team's performance on social media: “When we achieve superior individual performance and learn to have esprit de corps, incredible results are achieved. The excellent classification in another battery of tests qualifies the JD Taurus T4 rifle for the next phase, which will take place on July 17," he stated.

If the Brazilian rifle passes this phase and is approved again, the last phase before the winner is announced will take place in the mountains of the Indian Himalayas in December, with winter tests carried out in extremely difficult and demanding atmospheric conditions.

Indian Army Infantry School

The Mhow Infantry School , located in the town of Mhow, in the state of Madhya Pradesh, is the alma mater of the Indian Army Infantry and constitutes the largest and oldest military training center of this armed body.

The institution is responsible for developing the entire spectrum of tactical exercises and concepts related to infantry operating in varied terrain and environments, and presents them from time to time. The Infantry School, which provides tactical, weapons and leadership training to young infantry officers, NCOs and non-commissioned officers and enables them to effectively lead a subunit (company) in any tactical level operation in a decentralized environment, has achieved global recognition for its competition and infrastructure.
Replacement for Sterlings right?
 
The weapon selected, in 5.56 mm caliber, must have MIL-STD1913 Picatinny rails and mounts for a 120mm bayonet. The standard mass and grip of the sight should be adjustable for shooting up to 200 meters.

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The JD Taurus Weapons T4 in configuration with MIL-STD1913 Picatinny rails and mounts for a 120mm bayonet. Signature: JD Taurus Weapons

Given that the SIG 716 was supplied with MLOK interface on the 3' & 9'o clock positions & Picatinny rails on the 12' & 6'o clock positions (which is a unique configuration that SIG doesn't sell anywhere else) I assumed this would become the Indian Army's new standard.

But looking at the AK203 in its final procured state & this T4 carbine in the config it seems to have undergone trials, it seems the Army has no idea or control over what it's doing. While it's good that any attachments that go on the bottom rail (mostly grips) can have a common interface across the Army, we'll need to purchase adapters for anything that goes on the sides of the 716 (flashlights/lasers).

According to the RFP published on November 29, 2022, the global order will ultimately be divided between the two lowest bidders – or L1 and L2 – the first producing 255,128 rifles and the other the remaining 170,085 .

However, in case L2 (second lowest bidder) does not meet the costs, terms and conditions of supplier L1, the entire batch of CQB carbines will be supplied by the latter.

It's almost as if they have never heard of such a thing called logistics & commonality of training SOPs.

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