Aware of this. They plan to offer this for the MII carbine deal, the production of which was previously thought to be reserved for private sector. Ofcourse OFB wants to eat their lunch as well.
Screw OFB.
It's the Ghaatak grip.
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Aware of this. They plan to offer this for the MII carbine deal, the production of which was previously thought to be reserved for private sector. Ofcourse OFB wants to eat their lunch as well.
Screw OFB.
It's the Ghaatak grip.
(Is that a pitch of Anil bhai?
)Or how about learn to build good quality ammunition, across the board, 12.7mm, 14mm, 20mm, 7.62x51N, 7.62x54R, 300 Winmag, 338LM, 6.5 creedmoor, 6.8 spc, 9mm, 5.56nato, 7.62x 39. Even Pakistan has the ability to build decent ammunition, I very recently shot some 7.62x51 Nato Pakistani surplus ammo and it was quite good, I would even go to say better than the Turkish Surplus.
(Is that a pitch of Anil bhai?
Or how about learn to build good quality ammunition, across the board, 12.7mm, 14mm, 20mm, 7.62x51N, 7.62x54R, 300 Winmag, 338LM, 6.5 creedmoor, 6.8 spc, 9mm, 5.56nato, 7.62x 39. Even Pakistan has the ability to build decent ammunition, I very recently shot some 7.62x51 Nato Pakistani surplus ammo and it was quite good, I would even go to say better than the Turkish Surplus.
OFB can't make anything with the quality necessary to save their lives.
All that you mentioned, will eventually be done by the private sector.
That is a horrible looking firearm. It would not kill ARDE to buy a milling machine and some aluminium billets to build upper and lower receivers. Good lord if we are that cheap, make those lowers out of polymer and give it to nilkamal plastics or someone who at-least knows what they are building.Careful with it, the Americans might CAATSA you. Always been fascinated by the people in the west buying Russian guns, shouldn't that be like blasphemy ?
Hunting ? Self-defence ? You're gonna shoot some poor bugger for trespassing aren't you ?
@Parthu @Milspec ARDE is developing 5.56 X 45 mm NATO CQB carbine, looks like this is moving into limited production soon.
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Somebody fix that pistol grip.
You can literally look at gun and see the uneven seam. Given this gun is most likely a Long stroke gas piston (because that's all ARDE can design I guess), with stamped Receiver,I guess you can compare it to a Stoner 63 (56 year old gun) which still looks better than this contraption.
And whats stopping them? this government issued what, Directed energy weapons licenses to organisations that cannot build a boat to save thier lives.
The same organization that builds T90, BMP's and 155mm ammo should be capable of building whatever ammo is needed provided the right management is empowered. If OFB continues to being led by managers who spent majority of their lives overseeing stitching tents and tarps, this will be the outcome.
Civilians are objective and have great admiration for warsaw pact weaponry. SVD and tigers sell for a 500% markup in the US, even PSL's sell pretty expensive. Most serious enthusiasts will have one of the following in collection - makarovs, AKM, SKS, Vepr, VZ58, Saiga, tokarev TT33, CZ52, mosin.
The private sector itself.
They want better/more convenient policies established, which has been done. So you are going to see a lot of RFIs and RFPs going out this year.
It's already begun.
India opens small arms manufacturing unit in MP in a joint venture with Israel
OFB's gotta go. Modi is not stupid enough to go against such a large vote bank if the said vote bank was not affecting national security.
As for license production, pretty much anybody can do it with the right amount of hand-holding.
Like it or not, OFB is not going anywhere, the only option is restructuring and breaking down OFB into smaller units and change management.The private sector itself.
They want better/more convenient policies established, which has been done. So you are going to see a lot of RFIs and RFPs going out this year.
It's already begun.
India opens small arms manufacturing unit in MP in a joint venture with Israel
OFB's gotta go. Modi is not stupid enough to go against such a large vote bank if the said vote bank was not affecting national security.
As for license production, pretty much anybody can do it with the right amount of hand-holding.
Why are they even bothering to develop it further
IA has rejected it already, police and crpf want 5.56mm and 7.62*39mm
Its quality is extremely low, I saw it in DEFExpo 2018
All the orders that the OFB ever got, they got it because of union politics not quality of products. But you have a point, it might not work this time.
MKU Limited provides much lighter Bullet Proof Helmets for both the Army and the Navy & works on lighter BPJs for the armed forces
By: Huma Siddiqui | Updated: June 28, 2019 3:37:45 PM
Indian companies which were earlier procuring raw materials for bulletproof jackets from the US and Europe have now started looking at China to keep the costs down.
According to him, the company has already supplied 1.25 lakh helmets for the forces in India and will be completing the total quantity well ahead of schedule.” (Representational image)
With the future tendering for Bullet Proof Jackets to be based on Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) norms, a leading defence company MKU Limited which is currently executing an order for 1.58 lakh Bullet Proof Helmets (BPH) for both the Indian Army and Navy and has invested in R&D for making lighter bullet proof jackets for the Indian Armed Forces.
(Pic I added for no reason)
In an exclusive interaction with the Financial Express Online, Neeraj Gupta, Managing Director, MKU Limited says “The Company has been investing a lot in R&D and product upgrades. Recently we have developed Integrated Load Distribution System (ILDS) for BPJs which make it easier for soldiers to carry more loads without discomfort.”
“We are already working on the norms set down by BIS and also a lot of work is going on in the company on ergonomics to make Protection equipment more comfortable and lighter,” Gupta adds. According to him, the company has already supplied 1.25 lakh helmets for the forces in India and will be completing the total quantity well ahead of schedule.”
Last week, VK Saraswat, member, Niti Aayog, global companies are looking for joint ventures with local Indian companies for manufacturing lightweight body armours (BPJs) and announced that Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) had asked the body to prepare a road map for “incentivising” these local companies for manufacturing lightweight body armours.
According to Saraswat, some Indian companies which are producing bulletproof jackets import Chinese raw materials due to price advantage. Government projections indicate there is a requirement for more than three lakh bulletproof jackets for the armed forces and orders have been with the Indian private sector.
Indian companies which were earlier procuring raw materials for bulletproof jackets from the US and Europe have now started looking at China to keep the costs down. The earlier BPJs used by the forces were very heavy and after a lot of research, efforts are on to make the jackets much lighter.
An Indian company SMPP changed its suppliers after winning the bid in April last year and was sourcing raw material from Chinese companies for the 180,000-jacket order from the Indian Army. Industry sources confirmed that almost 40 per cent of the raw material used for the BPJs had come from China and had boron carbide powder.
Responding to a question if the company is sourcing raw material from outside India, the company’s managing director pointed out that “We had technically qualified for the BPJs tender but lost out on price since we did not compromise on raw materials,” says Gupta.
Some global companies have reached out to MKU Ltd for sharing technology and have expressed interest for making the BPJs in India, says Gupta.
MKU Ltd is one of the leading manufacturers of personal armour, platform armour solutions and electro-optic devices, for military, paramilitary, homeland security and special-forces with a customer base spread over 230 forces in over 100 countries.
Gupta says “The aim is to increase capability and reduce the risks for brave men and women who stand in the line of duty to ensure our freedom. We are part of the GKG Group from India, which has its presence in core areas as Defence, Aerospace, Road Safety and Road Construction Technologies.
Adding that the operations of the group are based in India and Germany and “we deliver last mile support to our customers globally through a strong network of over 50 channel partners. We have provided protection to over two million soldiers and 2000+ platforms till date with our personal and platform armour solutions.”
The Company has four manufacturing facilities in India and Germany which are ISO 9001-2008, AS-9100 Rev ‘C’ and BA9000 certified. We have in-house knowledge centres and labs for design, development & testing of ‘Armour Solutions’.
To a question about testing and certification of the products, he said that the products are tested and certified by the leading labs and institutions in the world.
According to him, with three decades of experience behind them, the company has developed formidable experience and expertise in dealing with the defence establishments in India and across the world. The company which in the recent past has been awarded the contract to supply 158,000 helmets with communication headsets to Indian Army is already in collaboration with SAAB, Sweden for Future Soldier & Soldier Modernisation programs, he shares.( What ? @Parthu got something on this ?)
MKU Limited provides much lighter Bullet Proof Helmets for both the Army and the Navy & works on lighter BPJs for the armed forces
By: Huma Siddiqui | Updated: June 28, 2019 3:37:45 PM
Indian companies which were earlier procuring raw materials for bulletproof jackets from the US and Europe have now started looking at China to keep the costs down.
According to him, the company has already supplied 1.25 lakh helmets for the forces in India and will be completing the total quantity well ahead of schedule.” (Representational image)
With the future tendering for Bullet Proof Jackets to be based on Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) norms, a leading defence company MKU Limited which is currently executing an order for 1.58 lakh Bullet Proof Helmets (BPH) for both the Indian Army and Navy and has invested in R&D for making lighter bullet proof jackets for the Indian Armed Forces.
(Pic I added for no reason)
In an exclusive interaction with the Financial Express Online, Neeraj Gupta, Managing Director, MKU Limited says “The Company has been investing a lot in R&D and product upgrades. Recently we have developed Integrated Load Distribution System (ILDS) for BPJs which make it easier for soldiers to carry more loads without discomfort.”
“We are already working on the norms set down by BIS and also a lot of work is going on in the company on ergonomics to make Protection equipment more comfortable and lighter,” Gupta adds. According to him, the company has already supplied 1.25 lakh helmets for the forces in India and will be completing the total quantity well ahead of schedule.”
Last week, VK Saraswat, member, Niti Aayog, global companies are looking for joint ventures with local Indian companies for manufacturing lightweight body armours (BPJs) and announced that Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) had asked the body to prepare a road map for “incentivising” these local companies for manufacturing lightweight body armours.
According to Saraswat, some Indian companies which are producing bulletproof jackets import Chinese raw materials due to price advantage. Government projections indicate there is a requirement for more than three lakh bulletproof jackets for the armed forces and orders have been with the Indian private sector.
Indian companies which were earlier procuring raw materials for bulletproof jackets from the US and Europe have now started looking at China to keep the costs down. The earlier BPJs used by the forces were very heavy and after a lot of research, efforts are on to make the jackets much lighter.
An Indian company SMPP changed its suppliers after winning the bid in April last year and was sourcing raw material from Chinese companies for the 180,000-jacket order from the Indian Army. Industry sources confirmed that almost 40 per cent of the raw material used for the BPJs had come from China and had boron carbide powder.
Responding to a question if the company is sourcing raw material from outside India, the company’s managing director pointed out that “We had technically qualified for the BPJs tender but lost out on price since we did not compromise on raw materials,” says Gupta.
Some global companies have reached out to MKU Ltd for sharing technology and have expressed interest for making the BPJs in India, says Gupta.
MKU Ltd is one of the leading manufacturers of personal armour, platform armour solutions and electro-optic devices, for military, paramilitary, homeland security and special-forces with a customer base spread over 230 forces in over 100 countries.
Gupta says “The aim is to increase capability and reduce the risks for brave men and women who stand in the line of duty to ensure our freedom. We are part of the GKG Group from India, which has its presence in core areas as Defence, Aerospace, Road Safety and Road Construction Technologies.
Adding that the operations of the group are based in India and Germany and “we deliver last mile support to our customers globally through a strong network of over 50 channel partners. We have provided protection to over two million soldiers and 2000+ platforms till date with our personal and platform armour solutions.”
The Company has four manufacturing facilities in India and Germany which are ISO 9001-2008, AS-9100 Rev ‘C’ and BA9000 certified. We have in-house knowledge centres and labs for design, development & testing of ‘Armour Solutions’.
To a question about testing and certification of the products, he said that the products are tested and certified by the leading labs and institutions in the world.
According to him, with three decades of experience behind them, the company has developed formidable experience and expertise in dealing with the defence establishments in India and across the world. The company which in the recent past has been awarded the contract to supply 158,000 helmets with communication headsets to Indian Army is already in collaboration with SAAB, Sweden for Future Soldier & Soldier Modernisation programs, he shares.( What ? @Parthu got something on this ?)
MKU Limited provides much lighter Bullet Proof Helmets for both the Army and the Navy & works on lighter BPJs for the armed forces
Not sure what to make of this yet. Time will tell, I guess.
Army chief’s new experiment — Major General is CEO of AK-203 rifle factory in Amethi
Major General Sanjeev Sengar has been appointed CEO for 4 years, the first time in decades that a uniformed officer will head an ordnance factory.
by Snehesh Alex Philip, Updated: 5 July, 2019 1:50 pm IST
Photo: Indian Army | Wikimedia Commons
New Delhi: The central government has appointed a Major General of the Indian Army as chief executive officer (CEO) of the Korwa Ordnance Factory in Uttar Pradesh’s Amethi district, which will manufacture AK-203 assault rifles for the military under an Indo-Russia joint venture.
Sources told ThePrint this is the first time in decades that a uniformed officer will head a factory which comes under the Ordnance Factory Board. The move, they said, is the brainchild of Army Chief General Bipin Rawat, and the government accepted it as an experiment.
Major General Sanjeev Sengar has been appointed as CEO of the Korwa factory for a four-year period, and will head a team which will feature a few other serving officers.
The Army has been concerned over low quality and delivery problems when it comes to ordnance factories’ products, so if this new model for the AK-203 factory is successful, it might just pave the way for a new set-up to oversee such factories.(Well atleast they are getting more hands-on, that's good to see)
A significant venture
When the joint venture, called the Indo-Russia Rifles Private Limited, was formed earlier this year under the Make in India initiative, the idea was to have an Indian CEO from the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).
The OFB has a 50.5 per cent stake in the venture, Kalashnikov owns 42 per cent and Rosoboronexport owns 7.5 per cent.
The Russian AK-203 rifle, chambered to fire 7.62×39 mm ammunition (same as the AK-47), is expected to meet the Indian Army’s requirement for 6.5 lakh assault rifles.
This is in addition to the rifles ordered from US manufacturer SIG Sauer in January.
The new guns will replace the 5.56×45 mm INSAS (Indian Small Arms System) rifles, which have been in use for over two decades.
The three services are set to spend at least Rs 12,000 crore to equip their personnel with modern rifles and light machine guns.
Incidentally, while every Indian soldier carries the INSAS rifle, the Army has a concept of sector stores, under which those operating in Jammu and Kashmir and the Northeast are given AK-47s instead of the INSAS.
Army chief’s new experiment — Major General is CEO of AK-203 rifle factory in Amethi
Army chief’s new experiment — Major General is CEO of AK-203 rifle factory in Amethi
Major General Sanjeev Sengar has been appointed CEO for 4 years, the first time in decades that a uniformed officer will head an ordnance factory.
by Snehesh Alex Philip, Updated: 5 July, 2019 1:50 pm IST
Photo: Indian Army | Wikimedia Commons
New Delhi: The central government has appointed a Major General of the Indian Army as chief executive officer (CEO) of the Korwa Ordnance Factory in Uttar Pradesh’s Amethi district, which will manufacture AK-203 assault rifles for the military under an Indo-Russia joint venture.
Sources told ThePrint this is the first time in decades that a uniformed officer will head a factory which comes under the Ordnance Factory Board. The move, they said, is the brainchild of Army Chief General Bipin Rawat, and the government accepted it as an experiment.
Major General Sanjeev Sengar has been appointed as CEO of the Korwa factory for a four-year period, and will head a team which will feature a few other serving officers.
The Army has been concerned over low quality and delivery problems when it comes to ordnance factories’ products, so if this new model for the AK-203 factory is successful, it might just pave the way for a new set-up to oversee such factories.(Well atleast they are getting more hands-on, that's good to see
)A significant venture
When the joint venture, called the Indo-Russia Rifles Private Limited, was formed earlier this year under the Make in India initiative, the idea was to have an Indian CEO from the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).
The OFB has a 50.5 per cent stake in the venture, Kalashnikov owns 42 per cent and Rosoboronexport owns 7.5 per cent.
The Russian AK-203 rifle, chambered to fire 7.62×39 mm ammunition (same as the AK-47), is expected to meet the Indian Army’s requirement for 6.5 lakh assault rifles.
This is in addition to the rifles ordered from US manufacturer SIG Sauer in January.
The new guns will replace the 5.56×45 mm INSAS (Indian Small Arms System) rifles, which have been in use for over two decades.
The three services are set to spend at least Rs 12,000 crore to equip their personnel with modern rifles and light machine guns.
Incidentally, while every Indian soldier carries the INSAS rifle, the Army has a concept of sector stores, under which those operating in Jammu and Kashmir and the Northeast are given AK-47s instead of the INSAS.
Army chief’s new experiment — Major General is CEO of AK-203 rifle factory in Amethi
Not sure what to make of this yet. Time will tell, I guess.
Army chief’s new experiment — Major General is CEO of AK-203 rifle factory in Amethi
Major General Sanjeev Sengar has been appointed CEO for 4 years, the first time in decades that a uniformed officer will head an ordnance factory.
by Snehesh Alex Philip, Updated: 5 July, 2019 1:50 pm IST
Photo: Indian Army | Wikimedia Commons
New Delhi: The central government has appointed a Major General of the Indian Army as chief executive officer (CEO) of the Korwa Ordnance Factory in Uttar Pradesh’s Amethi district, which will manufacture AK-203 assault rifles for the military under an Indo-Russia joint venture.
Sources told ThePrint this is the first time in decades that a uniformed officer will head a factory which comes under the Ordnance Factory Board. The move, they said, is the brainchild of Army Chief General Bipin Rawat, and the government accepted it as an experiment.
Major General Sanjeev Sengar has been appointed as CEO of the Korwa factory for a four-year period, and will head a team which will feature a few other serving officers.
The Army has been concerned over low quality and delivery problems when it comes to ordnance factories’ products, so if this new model for the AK-203 factory is successful, it might just pave the way for a new set-up to oversee such factories.(Well atleast they are getting more hands-on, that's good to see
A significant venture
When the joint venture, called the Indo-Russia Rifles Private Limited, was formed earlier this year under the Make in India initiative, the idea was to have an Indian CEO from the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).
The OFB has a 50.5 per cent stake in the venture, Kalashnikov owns 42 per cent and Rosoboronexport owns 7.5 per cent.
The Russian AK-203 rifle, chambered to fire 7.62×39 mm ammunition (same as the AK-47), is expected to meet the Indian Army’s requirement for 6.5 lakh assault rifles.
This is in addition to the rifles ordered from US manufacturer SIG Sauer in January.
The new guns will replace the 5.56×45 mm INSAS (Indian Small Arms System) rifles, which have been in use for over two decades.
The three services are set to spend at least Rs 12,000 crore to equip their personnel with modern rifles and light machine guns.
Incidentally, while every Indian soldier carries the INSAS rifle, the Army has a concept of sector stores, under which those operating in Jammu and Kashmir and the Northeast are given AK-47s instead of the INSAS.
Army chief’s new experiment — Major General is CEO of AK-203 rifle factory in Amethi[/QUOTE
something in the right direction ata lastNot sure what to make of this yet. Time will tell, I guess.
Army chief’s new experiment — Major General is CEO of AK-203 rifle factory in Amethi
Major General Sanjeev Sengar has been appointed CEO for 4 years, the first time in decades that a uniformed officer will head an ordnance factory.
by Snehesh Alex Philip, Updated: 5 July, 2019 1:50 pm IST
Photo: Indian Army | Wikimedia Commons
New Delhi: The central government has appointed a Major General of the Indian Army as chief executive officer (CEO) of the Korwa Ordnance Factory in Uttar Pradesh’s Amethi district, which will manufacture AK-203 assault rifles for the military under an Indo-Russia joint venture.
Sources told ThePrint this is the first time in decades that a uniformed officer will head a factory which comes under the Ordnance Factory Board. The move, they said, is the brainchild of Army Chief General Bipin Rawat, and the government accepted it as an experiment.
Major General Sanjeev Sengar has been appointed as CEO of the Korwa factory for a four-year period, and will head a team which will feature a few other serving officers.
The Army has been concerned over low quality and delivery problems when it comes to ordnance factories’ products, so if this new model for the AK-203 factory is successful, it might just pave the way for a new set-up to oversee such factories.(Well atleast they are getting more hands-on, that's good to see
A significant venture
When the joint venture, called the Indo-Russia Rifles Private Limited, was formed earlier this year under the Make in India initiative, the idea was to have an Indian CEO from the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).
The OFB has a 50.5 per cent stake in the venture, Kalashnikov owns 42 per cent and Rosoboronexport owns 7.5 per cent.
The Russian AK-203 rifle, chambered to fire 7.62×39 mm ammunition (same as the AK-47), is expected to meet the Indian Army’s requirement for 6.5 lakh assault rifles.
This is in addition to the rifles ordered from US manufacturer SIG Sauer in January.
The new guns will replace the 5.56×45 mm INSAS (Indian Small Arms System) rifles, which have been in use for over two decades.
The three services are set to spend at least Rs 12,000 crore to equip their personnel with modern rifles and light machine guns.
Incidentally, while every Indian soldier carries the INSAS rifle, the Army has a concept of sector stores, under which those operating in Jammu and Kashmir and the Northeast are given AK-47s instead of the INSAS.
Army chief’s new experiment — Major General is CEO of AK-203 rifle factory in Amethi
So I guess we can expect better quality
Its a good experiment alright. The military officers are likely to be more accountable to the military then some bureaucrat or PSU worker. Let's see how it turns out.
