Stryker Infantry Vehicle for Indian Army

Making the WhAP lighter is easy, but that's the easiest part. Delivering a Stryker equivalent WhAP is gonna take 10+ years before we begin producing it due to the lack of transports and sat nav. It will be a 2040 project vs 2030 for Stryker.

Plus Stryker can be evaluated and customized in less than a year. It's basically already ready, it only needs modifications for Ladakh and Sikkim.



Yes. That is my point.

That's what I'm saying as well. But it needs to be phrased the right way.

Developing a Stryker-equivalent WhAP version within timeframe is not hard - it's very doable. But developing a US-equivalent support network within that timeframe is not doable.

And the support network is the reason we're going for Stryker - not cuz of the vehicle in of itself.

F-35, Su-57, NGAD, Mig-41, F/A-XX, let's worry about all that after 2030. Until then, these programs are just gonna waste money. Let's see how Trump proceeds with their own programs first. Elon's talking about cutting the F-35 program.

Trump loves the military. I don't think he'd cut spending on major programs unless the platform itself is deemed incapable of the mission anymore.

I think Elon is actually making a play at acquiring one of the two big aerospace giants - Lockheed or Boeing - in the next few years, while Trump is still President. It would sure help him if their share price is pared down.
 
What is the basis for this assumption that the Stryker for India is meant for "recon" and WhAP is meant for "maneuver" when the original tender was called WH AFV ( R & Sp)?
 
That's what I'm saying as well. But it needs to be phrased the right way.

Developing a Stryker-equivalent WhAP version within timeframe is not hard - it's very doable. But developing a US-equivalent support network within that timeframe is not doable.

And the support network is the reason we're going for Stryker - not cuz of the vehicle in of itself.

It's both. We can't develop a Stryker-equivalent in terms of electronics, the sensor package, and networking. Even if we can develop a Stryker-equivalent WhAP, it will be unproven for recon operations for a very long time, so the IA won't buy it anyway.

The very idea behind Stryker is it's been proven in combat plus it has a global logistics chain.

Trump loves the military. I don't think he'd cut spending on major programs unless the platform itself is deemed incapable of the mission anymore.

Gotta see how DOGE saves him money for the military budget.

I think Elon is actually making a play at acquiring one of the two big aerospace giants - Lockheed or Boeing - in the next few years, while Trump is still President. It would sure help him if their share price is pared down.

Doubt he can buy anything while he's part of the govt. They won't legally let him.
 
What is the basis for this assumption that the Stryker for India is meant for "recon" and WhAP is meant for "maneuver" when the original tender was called WH AFV ( R & Sp)?

Secondary recce version with amphibious capabilities for the Pak border specifically and acts as a hedge against Stryker's failure.
 
It's both. We can't develop a Stryker-equivalent in terms of electronics, the sensor package, and networking. Even if we can develop a Stryker-equivalent WhAP, it will be unproven for recon operations for a very long time, so the IA won't buy it anyway.

The very idea behind Stryker is it's been proven in combat plus it has a global logistics chain.

Well there we have a difference of opinion.

Doubt he can buy anything while he's part of the govt. They won't legally let him.

DOGE is not really a Department - it's just an advisory commission like USCIRF.

Musk & Ramaswamy aren't going to be Govt. employees, not officially. Besides, DOGE will dissolve by 2026 anyway - that's as per plan.
 
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Well there we have a difference of opinion.

Ultimately it depends on what the user wants, regardless of our opinions.

DOGE is not really a Department - it's just an advisory commission like USCIRF.

Musk & Ramaswamy aren't going to be Govt. employees, not officially. Besides, DOGE will dissolve by 2026 anyway - that's as per plan.

Yeah, hopefully they get it done. But I doubt Elon will be able to buy Boeing or LM that easily. Courts have even rejected his own payment from his own company.
 
Retd ACM Bhadauria indirectly explaining why the army will be the first to indigenize.


What he says is exactly what the IA is doing in TGS, FRCV, FICV, and LT.

"Screw DPSUs, they must compete with private players who can involve foreign players." The IA wants to create a real defense ecosystem.
 

Stryker infantry vehicle deal with U.S. progresses; Javelin missile to be demonstrated again

Stryker, manufactured by General Dynamics, has been evaluated in high altitude conditions of Ladakh last September-October and the report has been shared with Army Headquarters for further action


In the backdrop of U.S. President Donald Trump’s remarks to Prime Minister Narendra Modi that India buy more military equipment from them and amid the upcoming visit of Mr. Modi to Washington DC next week, several defence deals in the pipeline are in focus, among them the deal for co-production of Stryker infantry combat vehicles. The performance of Stryker in high-altitude was demonstrated for the Indian Army and negotiations are making progress, according to sources in the know.

Stryker, manufactured by General Dynamics, has been evaluated in high altitude conditions of Ladakh last September-October and the report has subsequently been shared with the Army Headquarters for further action, according to the sources. The performance of the vehicles was demonstrated in high altitude conditions between 13,000 and 18,000 feet which also saw the testing of the Javelin Anti-Tank Guided Missile (ATGM), two sources said. And given some shortcomings, last month a communication was sent and re-trials are now awaited anytime, the sources stated.


The Stryker with its double-V hull performed optimally, one of the sources said, adding that the Javelin’s performance was not at the optimum level, which was due to the vintage of the system that was sent and repeat trials are expected to validate that. India has already sent a communication to the U.S. side asking for repeat demonstration of the Javelin, another source said, and the schedule is being worked out.

The Indian Army has identified a key requirement for ATGMs mounted on infantry combat vehicles, several defence officials stated. However, the Stryker variant with the Javelin ATGM is under development and is expected to be demonstrated to India in the near future, it has been learnt.

Assembling in India​

The envisaged plan, according to sources, is the procurement of few hundred vehicles in two stages. Direct import of small number of Strykers in the first stage and license manufacture of a bulk of them, with some customisations, in India likely by defence public sector undertaking Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML).

A U.S. readout on the telephonic conversation between Mr. Modi and Mr. Trump, after he assumed office for the second time, said, “The President emphasised the importance of India increasing its procurement of American-made security equipment and moving toward a fair bilateral trading relationship.”

Taking forward the ongoing conversations forward, Sandy Long, senior adviser for defence exports in the office of the U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary for defence exports and cooperation, is expected at Aero India in Bengaluru next week. The office leads and directs the U.S. Army’s global security assistance programmes.

The Stryker deal is expected to figure in the conversations during Mr. Modi’s U.S. visit along with the deal for license manufacture of General Electric F-414 jet engines in India and the long delays in deliveries of the F-404 engines for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA)-Mk1A which has delayed the delivery and induction schedule.

In June 2024, then U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Kurt M. Campbell had stated that India had expressed interest in co-production of the Stryker infantry vehicles and the two countries were in relatively early stages of talks on the Stryker and the Javelin ATGM. However, some defence officials have expressed reservations on going for the Stryker given that several such vehicles have been developed and demonstrated by Indian companies in recent years.

The U.S. has in the past demonstrated both the Stryker as well as the Javelin ATGM to the Indian Army during bilateral exercises. Javelin was extensively evaluated by the Indian Army though the deal did not go through.

In November 2023, then Defence Secretary Giridhar Aramane said discussions surrounding the Stryker were being held under the defence industry cooperation road map which aims to co-develop and co-produce machinery, weapons and equipment required by the two countries. Stating that the initial offer on several infantry combat systems had come from the U.S., he had stated that any cooperation in this would happen if Indian militaries’ needs were finalised.
 
Makes sense. The overall requirement is for 10 battalions. And 198 would mean 4 battalions. So the rest would be 300+.

But if Strykers are guaranteed, based on the way they make it sound, it's possible for other types to be bought as well.

It's impossible to tell what the actual requirement is, especially the APC version.
We need atleast 6000 wheeled ifv's apc's if we are to compete with chinpak and another 4000-5000 tracked ifv's.
 
What would happen if we have to enter the Tibetan plateau or go beyond aksai chin. We would need the apc's.

We have enough for large forays into the plateau already, like 4 tank brigades, and that's being augmented by a few hundred more wheeled vehicles and light tanks.

But I doubt anything of such scale will happen in this generation where we need thousands. War with China is expensive business even without large vehicles.