Tejas Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions

randomradio said:
The more ADA screws up, the better it is for your own jet.

Anyway, I suspect this is an IAF-specific design rather than a carrier aircraft.
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seriously whom should you believe an organization with over 3 decades of experience in design or an individual ....??

this is going on this forum for quite a while' demonizing anything which is not present to defend itself' ,whose design is open to scrutiny whereas what do you know about the other design ??

is it open to scrutiny ,was it at any air show
so stop this fantasy hunting when it will be on the ground then we will think otherwise no point
 
vstol Jockey said:
This looks more like a fanboy art. Lots of wrong stuff in it. The wingtips have zero reynolds number and yet they have a missile rail fitted. The entire training edge is a moving surface. How will you mount a missile rail on it?
The fuselage is rather twoo thin and with TE design, the intake sizes have to be nearly double of SE LCA as now each engine will be fed from just one intake only. The location of canards itself is grossly out.
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Gotta agree with what you said. Too many mistakes on this design.
vikata said:
seriously whom should you believe an organization with over 3 decades of experience in design or an individual ....??

this is going on this forum for quite a while' demonizing anything which is not present to defend itself' ,whose design is open to scrutiny whereas what do you know about the other design ??

is it open to scrutiny ,was it at any air show
so stop this fantasy hunting when it will be on the ground then we will think otherwise no point
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You are quite wrong there. Many companies and people have made bad designs. It's quite easy to find mistakes in other people's work, that's why there are less designers and more critics. But when some things are simply far too wrong, then it is very easy to call it out, like this design.
 
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Gautam said:
The triangular things ? That's the danger sign. This is a common problem with simulation softwares. They often fail to mount and align one object over the other with 100% accuracy. Look at the IAF roundels, the one on top looks flush to the surface the one on the bottom doesn't. The roundel at the bottom has shadow formation as if its a raised layer not flushed to the surface. I don't think those are MAWS, just software glitches. This software is probably HAL's proprietary software.
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Maybe ........
Or may not be .........
 
I would trust the test pilot rather than the picture.
He may be pointing out few things only..
Not everything. But I am not able to get it. .

Sport LCA was explained by him.
Some match stick like missiles falling of Jaguar / hawk...

He is giving details lot further than we know..
 
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Gautam said:
Isn't the Navy's TEDBF supposed to be a completely new design, which borrows nothing from the Tejas ? This is clearly based on the Tejas. Maybe the IAF also wants a twin engine fighter. In which case what's the point of MMRCA 2.0 ?
Close coupled engines like the Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale, CFT like F-16V. Canards like Typhoon and re-fuelling probe like Rafale. If it is a twin engine fighter, I wonder what the intakes look like.


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randomradio said:
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These look like signboards from the Farmers Market :)
 
Gautam said:
Harsh Vardhan Thakur, HAL's test pilot posted this on twitter :
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What's ORCA ? Omni Role Combat Aircraft ? Also do I see conformal fuel tanks on that spine ? The engine nozzle looks too big for a single engine and the radome is serated. HAL has definately upped its game in the simulation software field.
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a mix of Rafale (close coupled canards, fuel probe, AASM Hammer under one wing), EF (location of IRST, ASRAAM) .
It has a good looking.
 
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randomradio said:
any MMRCA tender now will deliver a jet only between 2028 and 2030. That's more than enough time to develop our own Tejas derived TE jet.
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Absolutely not. An order now for any of the MMRCA2 competitor will see a first delivery of the plane in 2023, and the first locally built in 2025. Specially in the Dassault case with a first factory already built.

And don't forget the indian time... Even if ORCA is a derivative of the Tejas, it's a nearly new fighter, with a new wings arrangement. In the west such a plane will need at least 4 years to be fully studied (only for the frame.... add some more time for radars and engine), at least 2 years for industrialization. And india has not a nice record in the "just on time" field.
 
Bon Plan said:
Absolutely not. An order now for any of the MMRCA2 competitor will see a first delivery of the plane in 2023, and the first locally built in 2025. Specially in the Dassault case with a first factory already built.
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What will happen if contract is signed only in 2023 or 2025?

And don't forget the indian time... Even if ORCA is a derivative of the Tejas, it's a nearly new fighter, with a new wings arrangement. In the west such a plane will need at least 4 years to be fully studied (only for the frame.... add some more time for radars and engine), at least 2 years for industrialization. And india has not a nice record in the "just on time" field.
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This ORCA is not a clean sheet design, it's an MWF derivative.

Anyway, I believe this plane has been designed to replace MMRCA, so it's not an official project, and I find it unlikely for it to be of significance. If ORCA is TEDBF, then it's not going to do very well as a carrier jet, but in this case it won't affect MMRCA in any way.
Golden_Rule said:
These look like signboards from the Farmers Market :)
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Mk1
Mk1A

MWF
TEDBF
ORCA
AMCA

And at least 4 of these programs will be simultaneous. Unless ORCA and TEDBF are the same.

It looks like we want to create a fighter jet supermarket.
 
Bon Plan said:
Absolutely not. An order now for any of the MMRCA2 competitor will see a first delivery of the plane in 2023, and the first locally built in 2025. Specially in the Dassault case with a first factory already built.

And don't forget the indian time... Even if ORCA is a derivative of the Tejas, it's a nearly new fighter, with a new wings arrangement. In the west such a plane will need at least 4 years to be fully studied (only for the frame.... add some more time for radars and engine), at least 2 years for industrialization. And india has not a nice record in the "just on time" field.
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randomradio said:
What will happen if contract is signed only in 2023 or 2025?



This ORCA is not a clean sheet design, it's an MWF derivative.

Anyway, I believe this plane has been designed to replace MMRCA, so it's not an official project, and I find it unlikely for it to be of significance. If ORCA is TEDBF, then it's not going to do very well as a carrier jet, but in this case it won't affect MMRCA in any way.


Mk1
Mk1A

MWF
TEDBF
ORCA
AMCA

And at least 4 of these programs will be simultaneous. Unless ORCA and TEDBF are the same.

It looks like we want to create a fighter jet supermarket.
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Now we simply needs to execute these plans on time. For that private players should be part of the game.
 
No Orcas and belugas - Its going to be Tejas mk2, rafales and AMCAs for the next 3-4 decades, with an increase in adoption of HALE UAV platforms for PGMs.
 
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How about we stop wasting our time on something that isnt very tangible?

And whats the point of developing a new jet when its almost certain that only Tejas and its variants+rafale+Su-30mki(upgraded ones) will be the only thing IAF will fly in the next 2 decades.

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And whats the point of ORCA?It will have the same payload and range and maybe kinematic performance like the rafale.

Lets just focus on Tejas mk2(mwf)+AMCA+TEDBF.
 
randomradio said:
What will happen if contract is signed only in 2023 or 2025?
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It's an Indian problem !
It's not the fault of Saab, Mig, Sukhoi, EF, Boeing, LM or DA.

AdityaH2R said:
And whats the point of ORCA?It will have the same payload and range and maybe kinematic performance like the rafale.
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In the wet dreams of some indian people. The record of Indian aeronautic field isn't rich enough to be so confident. With no offense. Just look Tejas long long road....
 
vingensys said:
So is the choice to develop and deploy an indigenous solution how much outdated it be. Afterall it's Indians who pay for this party.
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Indeed.
Choice to wait, choice to developp a outdated bird, choice to leave China the lead, choice to spend money on aborted projects....
It's your choice.
 
Bon Plan said:
Indeed.
Choice to wait, choice to developp a outdated bird, choice to leave China the lead, choice to spend money on aborted projects....
It's your choice.
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Exactly, and DA, LM, etc should have no qualms about it. Plain and simple. Hypothetically indians may even wash it down the Ganges, for all
 
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