Tejas Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions

Funds have till date not been allocated only approved. It'd happen in next FY which is why the prototype will be available only in 2026 & first flight in 2027 . Remaining 3 prototypes would come in either 6 or 12 months interval & mfg would commence in 2028-29. We could probably see the 1st squadron by 2031-32 & post that it should take off at the rate of at least 20 unit per annum or more if order is enhanced.



If the RMC is admitting more students or under a separate category with a separate faculty & management then technically the AIIMS is operational just that it doesn't have it's own premises now
What's this obsession with new FY funds were cleared last yr then what is taking too much time for allocation. This jumlebaaj govt is only interested in freebies.
 
Funds have till date not been allocated only approved. It'd happen in next FY which is why the prototype will be available only in 2026 & first flight in 2027 . Remaining 3 prototypes would come in either 6 or 12 months interval & mfg would commence in 2028-29. We could probably see the 1st squadron by 2031-32 & post that it should take off at the rate of at least 20 unit per annum or more if order is enhanced.



If the RMC is admitting more students or under a separate category with a separate faculty & management then technically the AIIMS is operational just that it doesn't have it's own premises now

Sorry the tweet got mixed up..

 
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With Mk2 we will be more than close to international practice. But the IAF will want to test all the features on a prototype before allowing serial production, which is why LSPs are supposed to happen.

And since Mk2 will not see LSPs, we can expect delays in starting production if the final prototype is not built to production standards. So, if there are delays in user trails, it's because ADA/HAL screwed up the last prototype.

Of course, it's very easy to push the project forward with "user involvement", aka, allow the program to proceed to production with critical deficiencies even though they decided to cut corners to save time.
 
Like F-35 JSF?

Hopefully not as bad.

In any case, the IAF will have something to say about that. They won't allow full scale production until the most important bits are ready.
Are they planning to start production even before system validation and certification is over? The same stupidity was adapted for F-35 and it was a disaster.

Very likely. Concurrency. But lessons learned from the F-35 debacle will probably help avoid a disaster.
 
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Hopefully not as bad.

In any case, the IAF will have something to say about that. They won't allow full scale production until the most important bits are ready.


Very likely. Concurrency. But lessons learned from the F-35 debacle will probably help avoid a disaster.
Was F-35 lessons learnt details shared with us? If not, then why exactly our genius project planners are following a proven disastrous plan??
 
Tejas MK2 isn't as complicated as F-35 program, so chances of it having the same fate as JSF is NIL.

MK2 is being built as a constant progression of MK1 program(even wings are the same), engine is a proven one. FBW will need to be validated because of canards(but then Naval Tejas does have LEVCONs).

All in all, a smart move to expedite delivery of our desi Gripen-E equivalent. All the best to HAL/DRDO(y)
 
Tejas MK2 isn't as complicated as F-35 program, so chances of it having the same fate as JSF is NIL.
A country which has developed and produced dozens of state of the art aircraft’s including 5th gen, royally screwed up F-35 program. But our chances of screwing up is NIL??
Dude, you are in serious competition with Randomradio !!
 
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A country which has developed and produced dozens of state of the art aircraft’s including 5th gen, royally screwed up F-35 program. But our chances of screwing up is NIL??
Dude, you are in serious competition with Randomradio !!
F-35 is a very complicated program. It is 3 high end jets in one package. Our MK2 is just a progressive variant of Tejas. Just like what Gripen-E is to Gripen-C.

Rest, if you don't agree with me then let's just agree to disagree(y)
 
Was F-35 lessons learnt details shared with us? If not, then why exactly our genius project planners are following a proven disastrous plan??

We don't need such details. It's about getting the aircraft up to speed before allowing production to go ahead.

And, unlike the F-35, most of what's going into the LCA Mk2 has already finished development, more or less; Uttam, the EW suite, engine, computers, control systems etc. So there's significantly lower amount of risk in comparison. We just have to get the flight testing right, so only a few prototypes, no TDs and no LSPs, we can just jump straightaway to production once the airframe is ready. As long as the last prototype is up to the task, it's all good. The IAF may make concessions, but they are not expecting the moon in the first place. They are bring pretty reasonable asking for M2000 level performance with 5+ gen avionics and weapons.

Gripen E followed the same route, but it was way behind on the development of avionics in comparison to where the LCA Mk2 is today.
 
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Are they planning to start production even before system validation and certification is over? The same stupidity was adapted for F-35 and it was a disaster.
Well it seems the two optimists have already covered all the points . I'm with them in this regard . The B R F gang who've been tracking these developments since ages also share the same outlook .

It's not that difficult to see the reasoning , truth be told. As it has been pointed out before the Mk-2 can be seen or rather should be seen as an advanced iteration of the Mk-1 & Mk-1a . All that really needs to be validated are it's aerodynamic performances / kinematics for which the envelope will be gradually opened up .

All the other avionics & sub systems like the EW suite , the ASPJ , AESA radar etc will have undergone extensive testing on other platforms & duly certified for operations before going on board the Mk-2 .

The only trouble spot as I see it is in the initial flight testing & the final stage where all these systems come together & should perform in sync with each other in perfect harmony. It's in the last stage you can expect glitches & bugs which may take some time before things get ironed out , hopefully without taking undue time .

The initial production capacity will be low key as the systems keep getting validated . Moreover production shouldn't be a problem as by 2028-29 HAL & it's vendors would have had a full decade plus of experience mfg 2 iterations of the LCA. Ditto for ADA / DRDO , MoD , IAF & the test teams . That's more than enough experience to deliver a top quality product meeting stringent QC requirements in a stipulated time frame.

Comparisons with the LCA Mk-1 are unfair & unwarranted for around the time before MP brokered an understanding between all concerned parties everybody was doing their own thing & essentially working at cross purposes. Lingering suspicions would prompt everybody to err on the side of caution. Add to this the fact that this was the first in house mega project we had undertaken after the HAL Marut which was way back in the 1960s & early 1970s.

Comparisons with the F-35 are also futile as that was essentially 3 FA projects rolled into one & a far more complicated project even by the standards of the USAF , DoD & LM with their vast experience. These comparisons should be saved for when we get the AMCA out for testing particularly the Mk-2 version although the F-35 would still outrank the former in terms of sheer complexities , but they'd be in the same bandwidth.

Trust that clarifies.
 
We are talking about developing a capability which will replace Mirage 2000, Mig29 and Jaguar. No one completes testing on a new design that soon.

Don't give yourselves false hopes.
Frankly the Mirage 2000 made it's first flight in the late 1970s & was inducted in the early 1980s , the Jaguars being of an older vintage & the MiG-29s being of the same vintage as the Mirage 2000.

If in spite of all their upgrades over the yrs which we've either initiated & executed or just executed , we can't get it right given the Mk-2 is a follow up program to something we've already successfully implemented viz the Mk-1 , having to match specs of FAs 50-60 yrs old then we might as well shut down our aerospace program & go back to Screwdrivergiri in the name of ToT & off the shelf imports .
 
Frankly the Mirage 2000 made it's first flight in the late 1970s & was inducted in the early 1980s , the Jaguars being of an older vintage & the MiG-29s being of the same vintage as the Mirage 2000.

If in spite of all their upgrades over the yrs which we've either initiated & executed or just executed , we can't get it right given the Mk-2 is a follow up program to something we've already successfully implemented viz the Mk-1 , having to match specs of FAs 50-60 yrs old then we might as well shut down our aerospace program & go back to Screwdrivergiri in the name of ToT & off the shelf imports .
It's no replacing Mig29B, its replacing Mig29UPG , something which will still beat 80% of fighter jets active across the world in 1 on 1 situation.

Replacing a Mig29B is far easier, Tejas MK1A will cross the Mig29B capability.
 
We are talking about developing a capability which will replace Mirage 2000, Mig29 and Jaguar. No one completes testing on a new design that soon.

Don't give yourselves false hopes.

Agreed 100%

First we need to get the funds disbursed.

Let alone logical improvements, we ll delay the project in the most unimaginable ways..

Already S jha complaining about, funds disbursement and order numbers.. 6 squad s.
 
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Indigenous IRST system enters lab testing phase, fighter integration soon.

The Indigenous infrared search and track (IRST) system that is under development for the Russian Su-30MKI fighter jets and Tejas MkII fighter jets has entered the laboratory testing phase and soon more tests are been planned after which it will commence the airborne flight testing phase.

IRST system that also incorporates a missile approach warning system (MAWS) is capable of tracking multiple targets and offers a large field-of-view (FOV) and will be ready for integration into Sukhoi-30MKI within 12-18 months after completion of the laboratory testing phase.

IRST system will also be incorporated for the first time in Tejas Mk2 aircraft and also on the TEDBF Deck-based fighter program. The Indigenous IRST system will replace the Russian-origin OLS-30 system on the entire Sukhoi-30MKI fleet from 2026 onwards when it enters full-scale production.
Indigenous IRST system enters lab testing phase, fighter integration soon.

The Indigenous infrared search and track (IRST) system that is under development for the Russian Su-30MKI fighter jets and Tejas MkII fighter jets has entered the laboratory testing phase and soon more tests are been planned after which it will commence the airborne flight testing phase.

IRST system that also incorporates a missile approach warning system (MAWS) is capable of tracking multiple targets and offers a large field-of-view (FOV) and will be ready for integration into Sukhoi-30MKI within 12-18 months after completion of the laboratory testing phase.

IRST system will also be incorporated for the first time in Tejas Mk2 aircraft and also on the TEDBF Deck-based fighter program. The Indigenous IRST system will replace the Russian-origin OLS-30 system on the entire Sukhoi-30MKI fleet from 2026 onwards when it enters full-scale production.
Source :- Indian Defence Research Wing
 
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Indigenous IRST system enters lab testing phase, fighter integration soon.

The Indigenous infrared search and track (IRST) system that is under development for the Russian Su-30MKI fighter jets and Tejas MkII fighter jets has entered the laboratory testing phase and soon more tests are been planned after which it will commence the airborne flight testing phase.

IRST system that also incorporates a missile approach warning system (MAWS) is capable of tracking multiple targets and offers a large field-of-view (FOV) and will be ready for integration into Sukhoi-30MKI within 12-18 months after completion of the laboratory testing phase.

IRST system will also be incorporated for the first time in Tejas Mk2 aircraft and also on the TEDBF Deck-based fighter program. The Indigenous IRST system will replace the Russian-origin OLS-30 system on the entire Sukhoi-30MKI fleet from 2026 onwards when it enters full-scale production.

Source :- Indian Defence Research Wing
Our new gen IRST is for Su-30MKI, Tejas MK2 and AMCA. Hopefully it should be operational in Su-30 within the next few years. It will give it a much better fighting chance against VLO fighters.
 
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