Ukraine is not a threat to us, so we don't make that analysis and, moreover, we will be prepared to help it, unlike Russia.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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For you to extend unlimited assistance to Ukraine it depends on how does the EU & its individual constituents themselves fare on the listed parameters as of the present & into the future.
I wouldn't be as sanguine as you're about the future. We've already entered uncertain times circa 2020 not 2022.
russian corruption and incompetence, continued:
russians whining about russia being russia:
They still don't get that what they're fighting for is what they complain about.
russia is deliberately killing its wounded troops to save money. No need to pay for medical supplies if your wounded die, and no need to pay them wages either!
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russians whining about russia being russia:
They still don't get that what they're fighting for is what they complain about.
russia is deliberately killing its wounded troops to save money. No need to pay for medical supplies if your wounded die, and no need to pay them wages either!
4/ The Russian milblogger Anastasia Kashevarova says that "statements by officials that soldiers are provided with high-quality medical care and rehabilitation everywhere and at every stage do not correspond to the real state of affairs."
5/ Instead, she says, "the situation is deplorable, ill-considered, and harms the combat effectiveness of the army and reduces its offensive capabilities. There is virtually no rehabilitation for servicemen in the country, except for those who have lost an arm or a leg."
6/ Kashevarova describes what happens if a soldier receives a severe or moderate injury, without the loss of a limb, assuming that he is recovered from the battlefield in the first place (many are not):
7/ "1. Evacuation and first aid by a field medical team (if he is lucky enough to be evacuated);
2. Dispatch to a frontline hospital in the DNR/LNR;
8/ "3. Then sent to the hospital in Rostov, to the so-called distribution hub. Here the fighter waits for direction to the final destination – either by plane or by train (the wait is long, Rostov is short-staffed, and the situation leads to complications for the fighters).
9/ "For example, my husband was taken to Moscow on the ambulance, if we had waited another day, he would have lost his leg."
(Similar delays in treatment are likely to have cost the limbs of many Russian soldiers.)
10/ "4. Admission to the final hospital – Moscow, St. Petersburg, Krasnodar and so on. Here, after a series of operations and manipulations, as soon as the bones have grown together and the stitches have tightened, the fighter is discharged.
11/ "The discharge summary prescribes 30-40 days of leave.
5. After discharge, the fighter must come directly to the unit to write a report for the required 30-40 days. However, in most cases, the fighter never returns home – the command does not sign the report.
12/ "In the best case, he is in the rear, in the worst case, he can be sent to the assault. This is where the wounded and crippled appear on the front lines."
13/ Kashevarova has previously highlighted examples of this, notably a soldier whom she saw in the Samara region with an external fixator attached to his broken leg. She reported that he was being transported back to Ukraine, clearly without recuperation.
14/ Kashevarova says that it is rare for soldiers to be given the required 30-40 days of medical leave. In thousands of cases, soldiers are told that "it is mandatory to go to the unit and there is no turning back."
15/ "A military-medical commission is also conducted in the unit, the expectation of a new operation, planned even in a military hospital, also takes place in the unit, and the soldier may not wait for it, they are not released."
16/ Soldiers themselves say that the outcomes of such commissions is often a mere formality, and men are sent back to the front lines with a missing foot, broken limbs and missing eyes. All that is required to be rated as fit is the ability to carry a rifle.
17/ This is the case even for contract soldiers. It's worse for convicts in Storm V units, who are always sent straight back to the front lines after discharge from hospital. "They have no rights at all, they can be sent to storm on the first day [back]."
19/ Although the Russian government is supposed to be providing rehabilitation for wounded soldiers through the Defenders of the Fatherland Foundation, Kashevarova says that the organisation tells applicants that only civilians can be rehabilitated.
20/ She comments: "It turns out that rehabilitation is not provided to the military, who need to be restored and sent to the front healthy and fighting. But only to those who will never go to the front. Is our state not interested in strong, tough fighters on the front line?"
21/ "Tell me, what kind of stormtrooper can provide a strongpoint – a cripple on crutches, with an unbending arm, a sick, undertreated [man], or an experienced, restored fighter, with normal health? The answer is obvious.
22/ "So why do we have healthy, huge men in some units and brigades, sitting in the rear, and sending fighters who have just returned from hospitals, who have not even recovered and have not undergone rehabilitation, to the stormtroopers?"
23/ Although Kashevarova blames field commanders, the blame likely goes far higher. Russian units in active frontline areas are expected to carry out relentless attacks on Ukrainian positions with whatever soldiers they may have, no matter how ill-prepared or unhealthy they are.
24/ This has been a continuous tendency throughout the Ukraine war. A particularly vivid example is provided by the story of Russia's repeated attempts to take the small village of Dovhenke in the Kharkiv region, in which hundreds of men died during 2022.
25/ Russian field commanders appear to be judged by their superiors not by results, but by the 'fighting spirit' they show in ordering attacks. Even if this results in massive casualties, they are still rewarded.
26/ In such circumstances, Russian commanders have no incentive to preserve their men's lives or health. All that matters is that they attack when ordered. For the men, all they can expect is to keep fighting until they lose a limb or die. /end
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Biden says ending ban on Ukraine's use of long-range weapons being worked out
September 10, 20244:23 PM CDT | Updated 5 hours ago
September 10, 20244:23 PM CDT | Updated 5 hours ago
Sept 10 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden said on Tuesday that his administration was "working that out now" when asked if the U.S. would lift restrictions on Ukraine's use of long range weapons in its war against Russia.
The U.S. has been reluctant to supply or sanction the use of weapons that could strike targets deep inside in Russia for fear it would escalate the conflict.
Kyiv's other allies have been supplying weapons, but with restrictions on how and when they can be used inside Russia, out of concern such strikes could prompt retaliation that draws NATO countries into the war or provokes a nuclear conflict.
Sources told Reuters last week that the U.S. was close to an agreement to give Ukraine such weapons, but that Kyiv would need to wait several months as the U.S. works through technical issues ahead of any shipment.
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Source: Reuters
Reporting by Gabriella Borter; Editing by Leslie Adler and Deepa Babington
The timeline does not invoke a lot of confidence to be honest.
9 GW has already been taken offline by the Russians as of August 2024. There are already statements coming out that any further strikes resulting from further escalation would essentially cripple the electrical supply in central and western regions.
This decision would enhance Ukrainian strike capability for sure. However, I do not see much of an impact unless EU partners provide cruise missiles in significant number(s).
Ukraine war: Can using Western weapons on Russia change the war?
The latest Russian advance in the Kharkiv region has convinced Kyiv’s allies to change their policy.
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Ukraine’s Energy Sector Faces Its Biggest Crisis Yet
Some 60% of Ukraine's power generation has been knocked out, as Russian bombs, drones, and rockets home in on infrastructure.
They should at least allow Ukraine to target the launch sites, storage locations and transportation of foreign made drones and missiles like Shaheds, KN-23 and Fath 360s. And if Russia starts making asymmetric responses, then remove further restrictions on targeting.
Ukraine Using ATACMS Missiles To Strike Inside Russia Now On The Table
Allowing Ukraine to use ATACMS inside Russia would put even hardened targets at risk within nearly 200 miles of the border, but escalation fears loom over the decision.
www.twz.com
They should at least allow Ukraine to target the launch sites, storage locations and transportation of foreign made drones and missiles like Shaheds, KN-23 and Fath 360s. And if Russia starts making asymmetric responses, then remove further restrictions on targeting.
Ukraine Using ATACMS Missiles To Strike Inside Russia Now On The Table
Allowing Ukraine to use ATACMS inside Russia would put even hardened targets at risk within nearly 200 miles of the border, but escalation fears loom over the decision.
The timeline does not invoke a lot of confidence to be honest.
9 GW has already been taken offline by the Russians as of August 2024. There are already statements coming out that any further strikes resulting from further escalation would essentially cripple the electrical supply in central and western regions.
This decision would enhance Ukrainian strike capability for sure. However, I do not see much of an impact unless EU partners provide cruise missiles in significant number(s).
Ukraine war: Can using Western weapons on Russia change the war?
The latest Russian advance in the Kharkiv region has convinced Kyiv’s allies to change their policy.Ukraine’s Energy Sector Faces Its Biggest Crisis Yet
Some 60% of Ukraine's power generation has been knocked out, as Russian bombs, drones, and rockets home in on infrastructure.time.com
I really don't think that there is any point to keeping restrictions on what Ukraine can and can't hit. Give them the tools and let them take the gloves off in order to finish the war quickly. Russian redlines have proven to be meaningless and Russia will strike Ukrainian power grids/hospitals/other soft targets regardless.
The best thing we can do is assist the Ukrainians with decentralizing their power grids. More generators and panels into smaller and smaller groups of people.
I'm amazed you think the west is arming Ukraine to win the war. They're keeping Ukraine alive through a process we call out here Liquid Oxygen - liquid use jeene nahin dega & oxygen use marne nahin dega , assuming you know hindi.
It's also known as drip feeding in the west . Just enough for survival with not a drop more .
I wouldn't put it past some of the strategic thinkers in the West, but I don't personally subscribe to that belief. Most people want Ukraine to win, show the triumph of liberalism and democracy over authoritarianism, and strengthen the LIO. I think the biggest factor tying the West's hands is fear of nuclear escalation - something I feel is unlikely at all for Russia to pursue.
The cynical take would be - yes, the West used Ukraine to diminish Russia & it worked. Russia is no longer a threat to Western interests in Europe and now the US can focus more on the Pacific theatre while leaving the Europeans to mop up whatever is left of Russia. The Russians have burned through their Soviet inheritance and have squandered whatever hope for a bright future they had. Collapse and partition are all that is left for Russia, even if it takes a few decades.
However, no matter how much realpolitiking exists or whatever, there is absolutely nobody in the West who seriously wants Ukraine to capitulate to the Russians. A Ukrainian loss wouldn't be allowed. Even if Ukraine loses some territory in Donbass, they are firmly in the Western orbit now.
also, I don't speak Hindi but these AI chatbots do an amazing job translating ^^
Nobody sensible in the West wants Ukraine to capitulate to the Russians.
Fair enough. I just hate typing out dozens of qualifiers to address vocal minorities within the broader West. Because, of course, there are people in the West who wish for it to collapse. There are those that believe we should regress from democracy and liberalism in favor of autocracy. Those who believe in giving up secularism in favor of theocracy, etc. I do believe they are minorities in opinion though, even if they wield a lot of mic power. The average Joe is still moderate and likes his individual rights.
The Ukrainians and Russians already had low TFR. They are pretty much done for demographically. Russians can capitulate to the Chinese with whatever they have left and then they will both look East towards the pacific. I have been checking the economic health and TFR for EU heavy weights...not good...not good. De germans are going to be hit the hardest. Silver follows the arms and the arms follow the silver. Uncle Sam is needed in the EU, sadly, even for a mop-up. Don't see a lot leaders with spine in Brussels....the war could have ended sooner.
so is this the "hail mary" moment for the biden administration ? US has been slowly creeping on russian redlines, testing their limits inch by inch. No different than what china does with 9 dashed lines or its neighbors territory. wouldnt be surprised if iran goes boom boom soon.
Only good thing is it is happening in europe, with economy in decline all we need is some balkan drama to spice it up.
US certainly needs a wall around it to protect the world from its shenanigans.
In short US created pakistan for russia in europe. But the problem is russia can create problems for US allies as well. Asian part of russia is now seeing more traction. With china & NK they can create more problems for SK & japan. Its just a matter of time before the monkey in NK starts throwing peanuts over japan. At this rate every so called ally of US will become sacrificial goat for US geopolitical objectives.
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