Ukraine - Russia Conflict

For pretty much everything you said here, the only answer is to wait and see it for yourself.

Back in 2013/14, the coup removed any chances of Russia fixing things with only negotiations. They didn't want war even until the last minute. Hell, they invaded thinking there won't even be a war. Why don't you look up the Minsk Agreements and decide for yourself if it was fair compared to this?
No, it didn't. All Russia had to do was ask for continued access to Sevastopol. At that stage Russia had not done any wrong to Ukraine, aside from perhaps trying to influence Yanukovych a little too much but that was overlookable.

The DPR broke the Minsk agreements. The Minsk agreements were a rouse. They asked for a demilitarised zone so that the DPR could roll into it without resistance, and then ask for a new demilitarised zone.

At the end of the day Russia is only 1.75% of the world's population and has 11% of its land mass and >20% of the natural resources, it's not fair that they should ask for anymore territory or resources. If Russians don't want to live in Ukraine they should go live in Russia, it's not like it's overcrowded or short of resources.
@BMD putin uncle wants you to know what ukraine will look like.

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In this war, who would you relate the Soviet and German forces to? Can you tell me what happened to German forces in WW2?
Well, which side is the invader led by a fascist dictator?
US to ukraine: keep fighting till death ,
Why do you people think the Ukrainians are fighting because Uncle Sam tells them to? They fight because they do not want to live under the oppressive boots of a glorified mafia Don's fascist thugs.

If people actually remembered the actual facts instead of guzzling down Kremlin propaganda like it was the Divine Truth straight from the mouth of God, they'd know that the USA offered to evacuate Zelenski back in February, to which the Ukrainian president famously responded he needed ammo, not a taxi. America thought that the Russian coup would work, that Ukraine would crumble in three days.
It's because the Ukrainians are fighting fiercely that the West decided to help them. At first the thought was that they didn't stand a chance so why bother?

Worshipers of the Sacred Moscow like to pretend that people have no agency and that the only reason one could want to fight against the hopeless life of a Putin serf is because of America meddling. When in fight they want to fight against that because being a Putin serf is one of the bleakest existence on this Earth, only surpassed in hopelessness by being a Kim Jong-un serf.

putin uncle wants you to know what ukraine will look like.
Here you can see part of Russia's dysfunctional, outdated view of the world. Because they want to conquer and partition Ukraine, they think the EU countries will want that too. Moscow-based sources regularly claim that Poland will want to occupy western Ukraine. This is pure projection on their part. Or do they think they could gift the "non-russifiable areas" to Poland (and Romania, here) in exchange for lifting the sanctions against them? Whatever this is, it only shows how out of touch with reality they are.

at least this tells us where the Russians plan to stop.
Really? Look at this independent Moldova here... Do you really think if Russia achieved this pipe dream they wouldn't grab it?
In this war, who would you relate the Soviet and German forces to? Can you tell me what happened to German forces in WW2?
Well, which side is the invader led by a fascist dictator?
US to ukraine: keep fighting till death ,
Why do you people think the Ukrainians are fighting because Uncle Sam tells them to? They fight because they do not want to live under the oppressive boots of a glorified mafia Don's fascist thugs.

If people actually remembered the actual facts instead of guzzling down Kremlin propaganda like it was the Divine Truth straight from the mouth of God, they'd know that the USA offered to evacuate Zelenski back in February, to which the Ukrainian president famously responded he needed ammo, not a taxi. America thought that the Russian coup would work, that Ukraine would crumble in three days.
It's because the Ukrainians are fighting fiercely that the West decided to help them. At first the thought was that they didn't stand a chance so why bother?

Worshipers of the Sacred Moscow like to pretend that people have no agency and that the only reason one could want to fight against the hopeless life of a Putin serf is because of America meddling. When in fight they want to fight against that because being a Putin serf is one of the bleakest existence on this Earth, only surpassed in hopelessness by being a Kim Jong-un serf.

putin uncle wants you to know what ukraine will look like.
Here you can see part of Russia's dysfunctional, outdated view of the world. Because they want to conquer and partition Ukraine, they think the EU countries will want that too. Moscow-based sources regularly claim that Poland will want to occupy western Ukraine. This is pure projection on their part. Or do they think they could gift the "non-russifiable areas" to Poland (and Romania, here) in exchange for lifting the sanctions against them? Whatever this is, it only shows how out of touch with reality they are.

at least this tells us where the Russians plan to stop.
Really? Look at this independent Moldova here... Do you really think if Russia achieved this pipe dream they wouldn't grab it?
 
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L'organisation de la défense russe

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The Russian defence organisation


The area held by the Russians north of the Dnieper is a pocket 20 to 50 km wide across the river and 150 km from Kherson to Vysokopillya, the northernmost small town, or about 5,000 km2 and the equivalent of a French department. This bridgehead forms both a protection zone for the conquered area south of the Dnieper and Crimea, but also a possible base for future Russian offensives, especially towards Odessa. It is therefore strategically very important.

The Kherson front was held by the 49th Russian army which had come from the Caucasus via the Crimea. It relieved the 58th army which had conquered the area at the very beginning of the war. The 49th Army normally comprised only two motorised infantry brigades (34th and 205th) and the 25th deep reconnaissance brigade (Spetsnaz), as well as its support brigades and a logistics brigade. On arriving in the area in March, the 49th Army took under its command the 22nd Corps with the 126th Coastal Defence Brigade, the 127th Reconnaissance Brigade (both substantially organised as motorised brigades) and the 10th Spetsnaz Brigade, as well as the 7th Division and the 11th Air Assault Brigade. It was reinforced by the small 20th Motorised Infantry Division (two regiments) from the 8th Army and possibly an independent brigade (4th), and especially the 98th Airborne Division. In case of emergency, the 49th army could be reinforced by some brigades or regiments of the 58th army at rest in the Melitopol region, 200 km from Kherson and with the risk of clearing an already sparse Zaporijjia front.

As always in this conflict and on both sides, we find ourselves with a hodgepodge of disparate units: army headquarters, army corps, divisions or autonomous brigades, motorised brigades and regiments, brigades and airborne or air assault regiments. In absolute terms it is a fairly powerful force with a priori 14 brigades or combat regiments divided between the direct command of the 49th Army in Kherson and that of the 22nd Army Corps further north in Nova Kakhovka-Tavriisk, the other crossing point on the Dnieper. In theory, this fighting force had more than 20,000 men. In reality, many units had been committed to the area since the beginning of the war and were at best 50% of their potential. Newly arrived units, such as the 98th Airborne Division, were less worn.

As elsewhere in Ukraine, the Russian strength on the Kherson front was long-range strike power. The 49th Army has its two artillery brigades (self-propelled artillery, multiple rocket launchers and anti-aircraft), the three divisions have their artillery regiment and each independent brigade has a battalion. It can be estimated that the Russians have about 200-250 different artillery pieces that allow the MRLs to strike from behind the Dnieper up to 20-30km beyond the front line in the depth of the Ukrainian position. Most howitzers can support the defence of the southern compartment from the south of the Dnieper, while they must be in the north to support the central and northern compartments, which means taking shell trucks across the river. The Russian forces also have the capacity for several dozen daily sorties of attack aircraft and helicopters over their area.

We are therefore in the presence of a defence network of 14 manoeuvre units of 800 to 1,500 men who hold a front of 150 km, i.e. about ten kilometres for a thousand men. This is a fairly low density which is compensated for by a terrain that is generally favourable to the defence and which has now been developed for several months. The defence is organised in two large sectors cut by the river Inhulets.

Kherson is defended in front on a line of contact of 40 km from the coast to the Inhulets and 25 km deep. The Russians based their defence on several successive lines organised on the chessboard of villages transformed into support points spread every 2-3 km. The sector is only crossed by three penetrating roads that go from Mykolayev and Snihourivka to Kherson, one of which, in the centre, is quite narrow. Outside these roads, there are small roads and open fields, but it is not clear whether they are suitable for armoured vehicles.

The Nova Kakhovka sector is a rough rectangle of 50km by 100km backed up to the south and west by the Inhulets River, with the small town of Snihurivka as an inflection point and Russian bridgehead across the river and a more open space from Ivanivka to the Dnieper. The Russian defence is based on the Inhulets and the small towns along it, and then on another chessboard of villages less dense than in the south, at a rate of one every 5km. The Ukrainian entry point to this compartment is the Davydiv Brid-Ivanika couple on the Inhulets from where the only roads leading to the Dnieper towards Nova Kakhovka leave.

To sum up, the Russian foothold was made up of a series of dozens of support points for battalions or companies supported by powerful artillery, to the south of the Dnieper for the Kherson sector and to the north for the Nova Kakhovka sector, with all that this implied in terms of logistical flows. The terrain was very flat and open. Any important manoeuvre involving combat vehicles was therefore quite easy to carry out from the ground or the sky, and could be hit within ten minutes by artillery or aerial fire. The open terrain, divided into a few large, narrow, straight axes, is also a perfect terrain for anti-tank missiles. In the background, the Dnieper is a considerable obstacle, impossible to cross at its complex and otherwise very wide mouth. It can only be crossed by taking Kherson (300,000 inhabitants before the war) or Kakhovka-Tavriisk (100,000 inhabitants), which can constitute solid bastions. Although bridges over the Dnieper are rare, the Russians have two bypasses along the river to the north and south.

Ukrainian opportunities and challenges

The Ukrainian command has an equally disparate set of forces. The 241st Territorial Brigade, a small naval infantry marching brigade and the 28th Mechanised Brigade faced the Russian southern compartment. A second grouping of three manoeuvre brigades (36th Naval Infantry, 14th Mechanised and 61st Motorised), a territorial brigade (109th), the 17th Independent Tank Battalion and a militia battalion faced the Russian forces in the central compartment. The northern compartment was approached by the 108th Territorial, the 63rd Mechanised and the 60th Motorised. There were also two reserve groups, the first with two territorial brigades (123rd, 124th) in Mykolaev, the second in Kryvyi Rhi a few dozen kilometres north of the front with the 21st National Guard Brigade, especially the 5th Armoured Brigade.

The Ukrainian command, like that of the Russians, would gain by reorganising its forces into coherent divisions grouping more homogeneous brigades. This will undoubtedly be done as soon as it is possible to prepare forces further back.

In total, the Ukrainians field 15 brigades or their equivalent. These Ukrainian brigades are rather less worn out than the Russians and generally have a higher strength (around 2,000 men, sometimes more) but the ratio of forces is not very advantageous. Six of these fifteen brigades are composed of territorial and national guardsmen who are rather lightly equipped and, above all, much less supervised and trained than a manoeuvre brigade. This leaves nine manoeuvre brigades and the 1st special forces brigade. This is not much for 150 km of front.

The Ukrainian artillery was distributed among the units at the rate of one battalion per manoeuvre brigade, with no doubt the reinforcement of the brigade of the Southern Region Command. Its equipment was similar to that of the Russians, but of lesser volume (around 150 pieces) and with fewer shells. The Mykolaev sector also includes almost all the helicopters available to the Ukrainians and a squadron of Bayraktar TB2 armed drones, which are difficult to use in a sky that is heavily defended by the Russian anti-aircraft brigades. The big news is the increasing arrival of Western artillery, disparate, but overall with greater accuracy and sometimes greater range than Russian artillery. The HIMARS multiple rocket launcher battery in the Voznesensk area is capable of accurate strikes provided intelligence is available over the entire Russian zone and even south of the Dnieper.

As on the other Ukrainian fronts, but perhaps even more so than elsewhere because of the openness and visibility of the Dnieper basin's field of operations, it is difficult to concentrate resources without being quickly hit, and this up to several dozen kilometres beyond the line of contact. This considerably limits the possibilities of manoeuvre. Here, as elsewhere in Kharkiv, it would be possible for the Ukrainians to seek to reverse the long-range firepower ratio with Western assistance first before launching large-scale attacks. This may take months, assuming it is possible.

Failing that, if the Ukrainian command still wants to recover the Kherson area as soon as possible, there are two possibilities.

The first is to try to achieve a general weakening of the enemy's position through large-scale harassment and to sterilise any offensive capacity (Russian objective) or to impose a withdrawal (Ukrainian objective) in the manner of what happened around Kiev in March. This harassment consists of a series of ground raids by small combat units on foot or in vehicles that infiltrate the enemy's position to cause damage or by a multitude of precise strikes (artillery, drones, helicopters, aircraft) on identified targets. However, this mode of action requires a lot of actions, and therefore a lot of means, to hope to obtain an effect that is otherwise rather random and rarely rapid. To put it plainly, the Ukrainians would have to strike the Russian position day and night with all their precision weapons and attack the entire line every night with dozens of commandos to make life unbearable for the Russians beyond the Dnieper after several weeks. The Ukrainians have neither the means nor the time to achieve this. This may come later, but for the moment it is not the case.

The second, which is incompatible with the first, if we have the appropriate means, is to create spaces for manoeuvre by momentarily neutralising the enemy's firepower, by means of an effective counter-battery or the destruction of logistics, as well as the interdiction of the sky over a given space by the concentration of anti-aircraft batteries on several layers, then by 'encircling' a target area (cutting off bridges and roads to possible reinforcements), neutralising the defence with shorter range fire (mortar-direct fire) and finally by brutally attacking the position with one or two battalions. The conquered area, usually a village, is then immediately organised defensively to meet counter-attacks. This is the attack box method used by the Russians in the Donbass, except that the Ukrainians cannot ravage villages or towns with their artillery before attacking them. Unlike the first method, where one hopes to see an effect emerge from a single blow by accumulating small independent actions, this method involves acting in sequences of blows, each blow depending on the previous result. In other words, it is a question of intelligently hammering the front by creating pockets of a few tens of square kilometres that will eventually make the zones untenable for the enemy on pain of encirclement. Pockets joined together then become zones of hundreds of square kilometres and from zone to zone one can thus advance to the final objective, in this case the Dnieper for the Ukrainians.

To do this, in the absence of a more marked numerical superiority, there was no other solution than to play on a better economy of forces by bringing together the brigades' artillery battalions in one or two large support groups 20 km away and by grouping under the same command five of the nine manoeuvre brigades facing a single compartment: facing Kherson in the south, in the centre in the region of the Davydiv Brid bridgehead or on the northern limit. By remaining on the defensive elsewhere and even accepting losses in areas of secondary interest, it would be possible to hope to advance village by village by a continuous hammering of battalion attacks, perhaps with occasional acceleration effects if the advances encircled Russian units and pushed them back. Of course this process will not happen without a Russian reaction, through reinforcement of the sector, perhaps major counter-attacks, or simply by attacking again in the Donbass and thus putting the Ukrainian forces under stress with the obligation to come and reinforce the Sloviansk-Kramatorsk sector.

If the series of Ukrainian attacks eventually meet strong resistance, or if they reach the outskirts of Kherson, which will require a reconfiguration of the Ukrainian forces into 'urban combat' mode, the supporting artillery grouping must be able to switch very quickly with two manoeuvre brigades to another point of attack on the front. If it is not possible to launch large attacks, it is necessary to multiply small actions, whether they be attacks or lateral manoeuvres. The main thing is to keep the initiative. At this price, the Ukrainian forces can only hope to reach the Dnieper by the end of August. Taking Kherson or crossing the river elsewhere will be other challenges, but the approach of long-range artillery to the river would open up new opportunities and would already be a major victory. But it will be very difficult.
 
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Really? Look at this independent Moldova here... Do you really think if Russia achieved this pipe dream they wouldn't grab it?
Russia has already taken part of Moldova (Transnistria). They did so in the early-1990s before any NATO expansion.
 
I know, I have seen the wreckage of satellite-guided rockets a long time ago, but I am not talking about this. The biggest threat to Russia now is the modern artillery of the West, such as the Haymas and Kaiser artillery,
In Soviet military doctrine these were usually performed by assault aviation corps such as su-24, SU-34 and Il-28,
But in practice, because of the large cross-sectional area of the su-34 radar, it is easy to be detected by NATO long-range early warning aircraft. Once the NATO air and space early warning force finds that the Russian air and space are dispatched, it will notify the small number of mobile artillery of the Ukrainian army to retreat and transfer positions as soon as possible. This seriously restricted the effectiveness of the Russian military's strike.
With the retirement of all SU-24MRs in Russia, the front-line reconnaissance capabilities of the Aerospace Forces have declined seriously, which also limited the Russian military's reconnaissance capabilities for Ukrainian artillery.

Su-24MR has not been retired. The problem the Russians are facing is the Ukrainians are hiding their HIMARS behind salvos of other MLRS. So the small number of HIMARS attacks go undetected.

If Russia has UAVs like Wing Loong-2 plus WZ-7, it can completely detect and destroy Ukrainian artillery, instead of begging for UAVs like Iran is now

It's unclear what sort of drones Russia plans to import from Iran. Also, it's normal to supplement inventory with imports during war.

Russia has over 2000 Orlan-10 drones. It's more than enough for the needs of any army.
It's their intelligence gathering assets that are not up to scratch.

They are fine on that front.
No, it didn't. All Russia had to do was ask for continued access to Sevastopol. At that stage Russia had not done any wrong to Ukraine, aside from perhaps trying to influence Yanukovych a little too much but that was overlookable.

The DPR broke the Minsk agreements. The Minsk agreements were a rouse. They asked for a demilitarised zone so that the DPR could roll into it without resistance, and then ask for a new demilitarised zone.

At the end of the day Russia is only 1.75% of the world's population and has 11% of its land mass and >20% of the natural resources, it's not fair that they should ask for anymore territory or resources. If Russians don't want to live in Ukraine they should go live in Russia, it's not like it's overcrowded or short of resources.

The Minsk agreements were never enacted.
 
Well, which side is the invader led by a fascist dictator?

Obviously not the point of what we were discussing there.

Really? Look at this independent Moldova here... Do you really think if Russia achieved this pipe dream they wouldn't grab it?

Again, within context, I am referring to the current war. You've already read my views on Russia trying to recreate the SU, the long game.

As far as I'm concerned, the Russians are gonna push their borders up to the fullest extent they can without going to war with NATO, and once the Russians are ready, they are gonna start making their play for the Baltics and other Eastern European countries. The only major hurdle being Putin's old age and a potentially weak successor.

The whole situation is retarded. The US wanted the justification for sanctions on Russia, which they achieved after provoking the Russians to invade. The Russians underestimated the American resolve towards sanctions, but forgetting that the Americans are not dependent on the Russians, and the Americans overestimated the effect of the sanctions. And the end result is Ukraine has been invaded, and a potentially powerful American ally has been weakend to the point of uselessness. And the Russians have reacted to the sanctions by deciding that they need to recreate the SU if they are to face NATO as their main enemy once again.

It's just a domino effect of events that began with the post-Cold War demilitarisation of Western Europe and allowing the US to walk all over Europe.
 
This is hieghts of stupidity. Western media and Ukraine claiming the destruction of bridges as a great move and public at large in west believes this bullshit. Don't they see that Kherson has direct land route also from Russia and southern Ukraine which can't be destroyed, Only the supply of Kherson garrison from Crimia is affected and not from mainland.
 
Obviously not the point of what we were discussing there.
I think that "which side is fighting at home, and which other side is absolutely hated by the inhabitants" is something that is very important to the success or failure of at attempt at conquest.
The whole situation is retarded. The US wanted the justification for sanctions on Russia, which they achieved after provoking the Russians to invade.
"Provoking the Russians to invade" is insane mental contortions to try to claim that Russia is not the aggressor here. This is disingenuous in the extreme because it denies agency to Russia, as if they weren't a sovereign country responsible for their own decisions.
The Russians underestimated the American resolve towards sanctions, but forgetting that the Americans are not dependent on the Russians, and the Americans overestimated the effect of the sanctions.
It's the Russians who underestimated the effects of the sanctions. They didn't think they would be so far-reaching and so quickly-enacted.
But yeah, the fact that sanctions do not provoke the immediate ruination of the targeted country will be used by a lot of propagandists to claim they don't work at all.
And the end result is Ukraine has been invaded, and a potentially powerful American ally has been weakend to the point of uselessness.
Who are you talking about, here, Ukraine ? Ukraine is not being weakened, it is being battle-hardened.
And the Russians have reacted to the sanctions by deciding that they need to recreate the SU if they are to face NATO as their main enemy once again.
Nope, the Russian reaction to the sanction has been to decide to fully commit to being entirely dependent on China. Which is why it's so fun to see Indians cheerleading Russia so much. Do you think if Russia has to choose between India and China, they'll choose India? China is Russia's largest trading partner by far, India is not even one tenth of China's weight in Russia. Tough choice indeed!
 
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It's unclear what sort of drones Russia plans to import from Iran. Also, it's normal to supplement inventory with imports during war.

Russia has over 2000 Orlan-10 drones. It's more than enough for the needs of any army.
Russia had only 36 attack drones before the start of the war, most of them Forpost-R, the technical level was only up to the level of CH-3, Orion UAV only started production in 2020, actually as early as the Russo-Georgian war, Georgia destroying Russian targets with Israeli drones,
 
Su-24MR has not been retired. The problem the Russians are facing is the Ukrainians are hiding their HIMARS behind salvos of other MLRS. So the small number of HIMARS attacks go undetected.
In my memory, Russia retired the SU-24MR very early. In 2009, due to the lack of reconnaissance aircraft, the Russian army used the TU-22 for aerial reconnaissance and was shot down by Georgia. Until now, the Russian army has only begun to produce a small amount of SU-34M.
Also, the number of BM-30s in Russia is very small, only the 79th Guards Rocket Artillery Brigade in the Western Theater, and the 439th Guards Artillery Brigade in the Southern Theater, a total of 36, which is comparable to Ukraine.
After Serdyukov's reform, the Russian army became an army with only 2S19 and BM21, and Shoigu's reform gradually restored the establishment of some long-range artillery.
 
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This is hieghts of stupidity. Western media and Ukraine claiming the destruction of bridges as a great move and public at large in west believes this bullshit. Don't they see that Kherson has direct land route also from Russia and southern Ukraine which can't be destroyed, Only the supply of Kherson garrison from Crimia is affected and not from mainland.

The Russians can access Kherson via only 2 bridges. One of those have been destroyed. There's no land route into Kherson from South Ukraine.
 
I think that "which side is fighting at home, and which other side is absolutely hated by the inhabitants" is something that is very important to the success or failure of at attempt at conquest.

Only time can tell that. Right now, only propaganda is creating the discourse.

"Provoking the Russians to invade" is insane mental contortions to try to claim that Russia is not the aggressor here.

So France was the aggressor in Libya?

This is disingenuous in the extreme because it denies agency to Russia, as if they weren't a sovereign country responsible for their own decisions.

Did you forget that the Russians didn't even think they were actually going to have to fight?

It's the Russians who underestimated the effects of the sanctions. They didn't think they would be so far-reaching and so quickly-enacted.

Yeah. I said the same, "The Russians underestimated the American resolve towards sanctions..." Hell, they weren't even prepared to deal with half their forex being sanctioned.

What I actually also pointed out was the Russians were dumb enough to believe they were safe from debilitating sanctions without realising they haven't built deep trade relations with the US. Europe getting thrown under the bus is a different story.

Both sides have underestimated each other.

But yeah, the fact that sanctions do not provoke the immediate ruination of the targeted country will be used by a lot of propagandists to claim they don't work at all.

Sanctions always affect the parties involved. Even a 10% loss of business is a huge loss, never mind 100%. But the sancitons did not have the intended effect. Yeah, there will be long term effects, but, as I've already pointed out before, the Russians have something the world needs, so they will always have a market. They now only need to reorient towards the new market.

The end result is Russia will be weakened by the sanctions, but not to the level anticipated by the US.

Who are you talking about, here, Ukraine ? Ukraine is not being weakened, it is being battle-hardened.

Ukraine will get troops with experience, but no population or economy to back up that experience.

This war will result in Russia coming out as the most experienced battle-hardened army in the world. For Ukraine, the same's coming at an unaffordable cost. To make matters worse, Russia is in the process of major modernisation and militarisation as well, so the experiences learned here will see a double impact.

Nope, the Russian reaction to the sanction has been to decide to fully commit to being entirely dependent on China.

But that's not the American aim. The Americans want Russia to become completely isolated, even from China. Which is why they are making concessions in trade in exchange for non-involvement in the Russian economy, and the Chinese are playing that game for now.

Which is why it's so fun to see Indians cheerleading Russia so much. Do you think if Russia has to choose between India and China, they'll choose India? China is Russia's largest trading partner by far, India is not even one tenth of China's weight in Russia. Tough choice indeed!

It's not a zero-sum game for the Russians.

It's not merely about the size of the economy, it's about what sort of leverage the product being sold has. The entire thing is centered around oil. If China plays truant, the Russians can simply cease supplies, they can sell to India instead, who can then resell both crude and refined fuel in the international market, maybe even to China at full price. India has the ability to roundtrip Russian oil. India has a lot of the technologies that Russia wants, like car and industrial parts and technologies. In a few years, we will likely have an electronics industrial base too. So it's not difficult for the Russians to balance relations between India and China.
 
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In my memory, Russia retired the SU-24MR very early. In 2009, due to the lack of reconnaissance aircraft, the Russian army used the TU-22 for aerial reconnaissance and was shot down by Georgia. Until now, the Russian army has only begun to produce a small amount of SU-34M.
Also, the number of BM-30s in Russia is very small, only the 79th Guards Rocket Artillery Brigade in the Western Theater, and the 439th Guards Artillery Brigade in the Southern Theater, a total of 36, which is comparable to Ukraine.
After Serdyukov's reform, the Russian army became an army with only 2S19 and BM21, and Shoigu's reform gradually restored the establishment of some long-range artillery.

The only news about Su-24MR is its modernisation was cancelled in 2020 in favour of drones. So it's still in operation. About 70+ in both the air force and navy. But it's outdated.



The rocket artillery's replacement with Tornado began in 2011.