Lok Sabha passes Citizenship Bill amidst Opposition outcry

Right indeed...North Indian terrorists are okay, even if they killed indian PM and Indian soldiers in broad day light.
Why do bring this North South BS into every thread? Why's it that the most Malayalis ( especially ones residing in Karnataka - ironical to say the least ) & Tamils have this chip on their shoulders about their language being threatened by "imposition" Of North Indian languages? Dakhni or the Deccan version of Hindustani synonymous to a large extent with Hindi was always known & spoken by a section of the local populace in Karnataka & AP ( unified) essentialy the Muslims since centuries. It's only in the deep South read Kerala & TN that Dakhni didn't permeate. Result being that the Muslims there have the local languages as their mother tongue and like their Hindu counterparts aren't familiar with Dakhni or it's variants. I doubt they have or share a fanatical hatred for the language though like their Hindu or Christian counterparts.
 
Similar provisions exists in BD and PAK constitution, yet Hindus are discriminated, so have the Hindu Tamils in Lanka. Stop giving such pusillanimous excuses....
You pointed out the constitution, now its not valid? Use burnol first before arguing.
 
Sorry, I really don’t understand what you are talking about....

Are you talking about Sikhs killing IG ?

How is that relevant here? Were they from Pakistan?

They were already Indian...where is the question of denying them Indian citizenship?

We have to deal with our own trouble makers but we can avoid importing them.

Again, to my knowledge Pakistani and afghan Hindus and Sikhs and Christians have not...so far....been a source of problems for India.

Sri Lankan Tamils have been a problem.

If that changes, this law should be amended.

going by the CAB, it talks about Hindus facing discrimination and not about terrorism. What i want to know is whether Northies don't think Hindus of Lanka not discriminated against on account of their religion and culture. Lankan Tamils have terrorized India as much as north Indians have.
 
going by the CAB, it talks about Hindus facing discrimination and not about terrorism. What i want to know is whether Northies don't think Hindus of Lanka not discriminated against on account of their religion and culture. Lankan Tamils have terrorized India as much as north Indians have.
Lankan tamils have been granted such exemption twice in past and granted Indian citizenship on priority when Hindus from other countries were left out. Please hear the reply given by HM in LS.
 
Sri lankan Hindus should be given citizenship. We all know Tamil Hindus suffered a pogrom by the Sinhalese. Interests of the North east states should be the top most priority. All these incoming Bangladeshi hindus should be settked i West Bengal and not in any North Eastern state.
Evn i dont like UP/Bihari bhaiyyas flooding my state Maharashtra and Mumbai.
These are polarizing tactics used by the BJP here. Why no Hindus of Myanmar??? Sri Lankan Tamils orginated from Tamil Nadu aka India so they have full right to get the citizenship. @S.A.T.A is right. Northies dont care about us
 
Boss.. how can justify excluding muslims..if Sri Lanka is included. Sri Lanka is not an Islamist country.. and muslims face persecution in Sri lanka... BJP is smart enough to know that including sri Lanka would have meant the bill not passing Supreme court scrutiny

Are Hindus Tamils discriminated by the state of Srilanka or not ? Has the Lankan state army not carried out genocide against Hindus Tamils in jaffna or not. Why are north Indian Hindus so apologetic about situation of the Lankan Hindus.
 
Sri lankan Hindus should be given citizenship. We all know Tamil Hindus suffered a pogrom by the Sinhalese. Interests of the North east states should be the top most priority. All these incoming Bangladeshi hindus should be settked i West Bengal and not in any North Eastern state.
Evn i dont like UP/Bihari bhaiyyas flooding my state Maharashtra and Mumbai.
These are polarizing tactics used by the BJP here. Why no Hindus of Myanmar??? Sri Lankan Tamils orginated from Tamil Nadu aka India so they have full right to get the citizenship. @S.A.T.A is right. Northies dont care about us
Northies care for Tamils far more than any Tamil. The first such special treatment was given to Tamils only. Please read about it before making such irrelevent observations.
 
Are Hindus Tamils discriminated by the state of Srilanka or not ? Has the Lankan state army not carried out genocide against Hindus Tamils in jaffna or not. Why are north Indian Hindus so apologetic about situation of the Lankan Hindus.
There can be a separate bill for Srilankan tamils who face persecution. Including tamils in this bill, would have doomed the bill, is what I meant..
Besides, I am a Hindu kannadiga... you dont need to get all worked up with North/South stuff everytime...
 
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Lankan tamils have been granted such exemption twice in past and granted Indian citizenship on priority when Hindus from other countries were left out. Please hear the reply given by HM in LS.

In the same manner, any Sikh or Hindus claiming refuge and asylum on the basis religious persecution can be provided the same on case to case basis. What this bill does , among others, is that for the Indian state discriminates between Hindus in the region. Hindus from the former british ruled north Indian regions will receive preferential treat compared to Hindus in the southern regions.
 
Northies care for Tamils far more than any Tamil. The first such special treatment was given to Tamils only. Please read about it before making such irrelevent observations.
Even Sri Sri Ravishankar has demanded that SL Tamils should be included in CAB. Still many live in refugee camp. Just like west Pakistan refugees Hindus are suffering in their own given country
There can be a separate bill for Srilankan tamils who face persecution. Including tamils in this bill, would have doomed the bill, is what I meant..
Besides, I am a Hindu kannadiga... you dont need to get all worked up with North/South stuff everytime...
Why would it doom?
 
In the same manner, any Sikh or Hindus claiming refuge and asylum on the basis religious persecution can be provided the same on case to case basis. What this bill does , among others, is that for the Indian state discriminates between Hindus in the region. Hindus from the former british ruled north Indian regions will receive preferential treat compared to Hindus in the southern regions.
I feel hurt when people make baseless allegations against Northies. we are very much with every Indian and not foolish like some dravidians who call us invading Aryans. Please see below how India has safeguarded the interests of Srilankan tamils in past and how the first ever such special privilage was given to srilankan Tamils only. Not once but twice.
Sirima–Shastri Pact - Wikipedia
Sirima–Gandhi Pact - Wikipedia

Even Sri Sri Ravishankar has demanded that SL Tamils should be included in CAB. Still many live in refugee camp. Just like west Pakistan refugees Hindus are suffering in their own given country

Why would it doom?
He is being foolish.
 
There can be a separate bill for Srilankan tamils who face persecution. Including tamils in this bill, would have doomed the bill, is what I meant..
Besides, I am a Hindu kannadiga... you dont need to get all worked up with North/South stuff everytime...

what nonsense if the basis is relgious persecution, then Lanka is the same boat as the PAK and BD. So let the Hindu Tamils be doomed, but north Indian Hindus should be protected at all costs.
 
what nonsense if the basis is relgious persecution, then Lanka is the same boat as the PAK and BD. So let the Hindu Tamils be doomed, but north Indian Hindus should be protected at all costs.
Other than the two pacts quoted above, more tamils were granted citizenship of India under Rajiv-Bhandarnaike pact in 1987. So stop peddaling this bull shit please.
That time no tamils asked to grant citizenship to Hindus from BD, Pak and Afghanistan. The shoe is on other foot my dear friend.
 
going by the CAB, it talks about Hindus facing discrimination and not about terrorism. What i want to know is whether Northies don't think Hindus of Lanka not discriminated against on account of their religion and culture. Lankan Tamils have terrorized India as much as north Indians have.
Ok....one more time....


We are doing a FAVOR to people on non Indian origin.

We have no obligation to help them, but out of the kindness of our collective hearts we have agreed to expedite Indian citizenship to those who are being persecuted in their own countries. .

Provided...they are not likely to endanger those of us who are already Indian citizens.

It is common sense that while we help when we can we also protect our own interests.

Non Indians have no rights over the Indian government. They should be thankful that we do this much. I don’t see any other country in the region doing even half as much.

What is it that you want ? To set aside all common sense and pretend that all demographics are the same risk profile...and satisfy some leftist intellectual ideal?

In real life if something looks like a Duck walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it probably is a duck.
 
I feel hurt when people make baseless allegations against Northies. we are very much with every Indian and not foolish like some dravidians who call us invading Aryans. Please see below how India has safeguarded the interests of Srilankan tamils in past and how the first ever such special privilage was given to srilankan Tamils only. Not once but twice.
Sirima–Shastri Pact - Wikipedia
Sirima–Gandhi Pact - Wikipedia


He is being foolish.

Such stupid pacts have been signed with the Pakistanis too. They have no relevance on the fact sheet of history. Please watch the channel 4 documentary on what the Buddhist Sinhalese army did too to Hindu Tamils and tell me your feeling for Hindus of tamil origin is real and not fake.

Sri Lanka ‘war crimes’ video: woman’s body identified

Sri Lanka ‘war crimes’: the evidence
 
The main aspect of this bill is to exclude illegal "muslim" immigrants. Tell me, how will you exclude muslims, if you include Sri Lanka, where muslims face persecution on the basis of religion ?
The keyword here is minority and not Muslim per se isnt. If BJP had included SL moors(they are very less) there wouldn't have been any opposition for it.
 
Such stupid pacts have been signed with the Pakistanis too. They have no relevance on the fact sheet of history. Please watch the channel 4 documentary on what the Buddhist Sinhalese army did too to Hindu Tamils and tell me your feeling for Hindus of tamil origin is real and not fake.

Sri Lanka ‘war crimes’ video: woman’s body identified

Sri Lanka ‘war crimes’: the evidence
But we did take in nearly a million Tamils thru these pacts. And it was Pak and BD who violated the pacts, India never did. Most muslims are making statement in LS & RS that they chose to stay back ina secular India. What a bullshit they are talking. India became a secular nation thru 42nd amendment when word secular was added to the preamble of the constitution. India of 1947 was not a secular nation.
 
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Are Hindus Tamils discriminated by the state of Srilanka or not ? Has the Lankan state army not carried out genocide against Hindus Tamils in jaffna or not. Why are north Indian Hindus so apologetic about situation of the Lankan Hindus.
There's a difference between what can be justified in a court of law by bringing in an amendment without undermining the Constitution and bringing in an omnibus bill to treat every Hindu in our vicinity as an automatic citizen of India, should they be willing to make the journey to India . Hindus in Islamic theocratic countries are still facing persecution in every sense of the word and unless they quit the land or convert they will be persecuted. The Tamils in SL were persecuted and are still at a disadvantage . Arguably, their supposed conversion to Buddhism won't ameliorate their plight.

However, they still account for a good 15% of the total population and seem to be maintaining the same as of now. If you add Tamils Muslims to this category, they could well account for 20-25% of the total population. However, though the Malays ( as the Tamil Muslims are locally known) are known to speak Tamil as their mother tongue, they don't consider themselves Tamils . Rather they see themselves as Muslims. This also caused grave disagreements with the Tigers when they de facto ruled the east & north of SL such that there were massacres of Tamil Muslims by the LTTE leading to the expulsion of Tamil Muslims from these parts.

To come back to the Tamils, there were the plantation Tamils who were brought in by the British to work the tea estates in SL & there were the native Tamils who were already in SL since ancient times. Under an agreement, India took back the plantation Tamils. If we extend the same facility to the other Tamils, the extremist Sinhalese will be tempted to further their persecution of the Tamils there. This isn't what we want to encourage.
Then there's the case of Burma too. A large number of Indians moved there in British times and post independence came to dominate trade there for which they were despised. In the 1950's & 60's state organised pogroms saw them being expelled to India which accepted them & gave them citizenship. There's still a small residue of those Indians in Burma. One can't say if they're being persecuted. I haven't come across any article citing such persecution.

The Tamil refugees in India can always be made citizens through another amendment once the CAB is passed and all the heat & dust around this settles down post a SC verdict on it. I suspect that's the game plan. For the present, this CAB is merely a pre cursor to the NRC to follow with major implications for WB & Assam, essentially.
 
Ok....one more time....


We are doing a FAVOR to people on non Indian origin.

We have no obligation to help them, but out of the kindness of our collective hearts we have agreed to expedite Indian citizenship to those who are being persecuted in their own countries. .

Provided...they are not likely to endanger those of us who are already Indian citizens.

It is common sense that while we help when we can we also protect our own interests.

Non Indians have no rights over the Indian government. They should be thankful that we do this much. I don’t see any other country in the region doing even half as much.

What is it that you want ? To set aside all common sense and pretend that all demographics are the same risk profile...and satisfy some leftist intellectual ideal?

In real life if something looks like a Duck walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it probably is a duck.

According to assamese media half of all the riots against native assamese have been carried out by illegal ethnic Bengali migrants( according to NRC half of them being Hindus who will now be awarded with citizenship for killing the Assamese). Non Indian have right to to our country, be they Muslim or Hindus or SIkhs. They have chosen their land and their fate. If they wish to find asyylum in India we had enough provisoon under the current la to grt the citizenship after a period of natiralization. SO why do Hindus of northen region now get preference over Hindus od the south, even though they have the same status under the matter of religious discrimination.