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[Amal]

Reposting the link to the article. Perhaps given your inherent bias, you were disinclined to read it. Jump to the part - Problems in TFR calculations

I remember to have called out the BS on the article by quoting it. It's seriously low effort, Quora standard one if I must say.

Doesn't draw any link to the purported Halal project.

It was in your own link itself.

V Sunil Kumar, founder and managing director, Asset Homes, which is building the shariah compliant apartment complex

How many of them have indulged in Love Jihad of the kind the Syro Malabar church has alleged?

Isn't this whataboutism ? How does low jihad or any jihad justify the high TFR which have a negative impact on regional development ?

The point is that these Muslims are now the feeder base for a Wahabbi version of Islam

Which could be said even if there were just 1% Muslims in Kerala.

So the issue is not population growth but jihadi ?

 

[Revan]

The issue isn't urbanization in Malappuram or Kerala , The issue is Malappuram rapidly turning into an exclusive enclave for Muslims. Since you've a yen for statistics, kindly pull out figures for what was the religious demographic profile for Malappuram since 1951 till 2011.Youd get your answer.

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Answered that one in my previous post.


Fair enough. Though I'd take this one with a pinch of salt. If there's more on this, you'd hear from me.
I am from Kerala and the news is correct. Even the collector has acknowledged the matter. This guy is a liar
Refute it. Or accept it in case you don't have better sources. I didn't criticize your sources, did I?[/QUOTE]

 

[_Anonymous_]

Answered that one in my previous post.


Fair enough. Though I'd take this one with a pinch of salt. If there's more on this, you'd hear from me.
I am from Kerala and the news is correct. Even the collector has acknowledged the matter. This guy is a liar
Refute it. Or accept it in case you don't have better sources. I didn't criticize your sources, did I?

Kindly edit your post thoroughly.I can't make out which point are you replying to.

 

[Ashwin]

Muslims in Kerala too have brought down their TFR to below replacement levels.

We both know that is BS. Muslim TFR will never go down below 2. Society will not allow that. Every practicing Muslim will proudly certify that. Your own district map is showing how malapuram and kasaragod are different from the rest.

Atleast the BIMARU states dont have fear of becoming minority in their own states.

What a skewed and dumb priority. Same as the left.

"Give more migrants a chance to be citizen" / "Hitler is coming"

"Preventable children deaths happening daily at the hospital" / "At least we will never become the minority!"

Jump to the part - Problems in TFR calculations.

Population Control: Kerala Numbers Show Why Official Definition Of TFR Will Not Work In India

I do not see any problem with TFR numbers. That entire section has nothing to contribute. The writer thinks underage and above 49 will produce that many children? what kind of dump are they coming from?

But, NFSH-4 numbers have problems on first glance. It's just like any other survey. Wait for the next census numbers to have any comparison.

@Amal I remember how you wholeheartedly believed that common-sense defying survey on consumption. Do you see how it comes to bite you? where you couldn't answer. Resorting to discrediting the writers now?

 

[Amal]

You're damned right I'm concerned about religious supremacy of those religions which proclaim they've a monopoly over salvation & other paths are roads to damnation.

So if you get beaten up or set on fire over eating holy beef or something by believers of dharmic religion, you wouldn't die. Interesting.

And it'd gather more traction as time goes by. I've no doubt about it

It's been a decade and I see no traction. It was all forgotten until RW twitter dug up an old video. Any recent incidents which make you say so ?

More then NI, you seem to host WB Muslims & the best part - Bangladeshi Muslims

Hmm...

The state-wise percentage of migrant labourers residing in Kerala, according to GIFT, is: West Bengal (20), Bihar (18.10), Assam (17.28), Uttar Pradesh (14.83), Odisha (6.67) and the rest of the states (23.13).

The Promised Land: Migrant workers endure squalid conditions in Kerala - Firstpost

We both know that is BS. Muslim TFR will never go down below 2. Society will not allow that.

I guess statistics are believable than anecdotes. Do we have any other data ?

Resorting to discrediting the writers now?

Swarajya is basically a website version of indiaspeaks subreddit at the best. When did people writing for it become writers ?

 

[Revan]

The news about cutting the water supply is true. Even Malayalam media reported it.

 

[Amal]

So, when attention is drawn to migration

Migration is perfectly okay. Especially Kerala with an ageing population needs migrants.

However don't claim that you are doing great in your state while earning Rs 700 in Kerala for daily wage labour.

 

[_Anonymous_]

I remember to have called out the BS on the article by quoting it. It's seriously low effort, Quora standard one if I must say.

You don't have any sound sources of your own & ridicule mine.

It was in your own link itself.

V Sunil Kumar, founder and managing director, Asset Homes, which is building the shariah compliant apartment complex

I never denied your claim now, did I?

Isn't this whataboutism ? How does low jihad or any jihad justify the high TFR which have a negative impact on regional development ?

Isn't there a co relation between higher population of Muslims and attendant radicalization ? Going as far back as 1921 , which has been painted for everything it's not, from the commie favourite - a class struggle to the Congress favorite - part of the freedom movement.

Which could be said even if there were just 1% Muslims in Kerala.

So the issue is not population growth but jihadi ?

You mean the two are mutually exclusive. You know what, you're right. Half of those Malayalis who joined ISIS were all non Muslim converts. Don't ask me about the other half.Wahabbism holds some strange attraction for the Hindus & Christians , for some reason.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Migration is perfectly okay. Especially Kerala with an ageing population needs migrants.

However don't claim that you are doing great in your state while earning Rs 700 in Kerala for daily wage labour.

The news about cutting the water supply is true. Even Malayalam media reported it.

@Amal

Lock horns with him. He's a fellow Malayali.

 

[Amal]

You don't have any sound sources of your own & ridicule mine.

The source is called logic. Very easy to understand. You want me to start all over again ?

And what source do you want ? Do you need something which says TFR is a reliable matric ? Just because the data was questioned by someone who doesn't even understand how population growth works ?

I never denied your claim now, did I?

You wanted 'connection', so here is it.

Isn't there a co relation between higher population of Muslims and attendant radicalization ?

Well in that case UP have more Muslims than France. Should have more ISIS fighters too I guess.

You mean the two are mutually exclusive. You know what, you're right. Half of those Malayalis who joined ISIS were all non Muslim converts. Don't ask me about the other half.Wahabbism holds some strange attraction for the Hindus & Christians , for some reason

And what was the total number who joined ISIS from KL anyway ?

Lock horns with him. He's a fellow Malayali.

It was reported by one TV channel named Janam TV. Owned by BJP nonetheless.

Obviously an unbiased source.

 

[Revan]

times now reported it
How do you post twitter link here?

 

[Amal]

Well, whether they stabilize or not by 2041 , Kerala will officially see the Hindus at 35% or less, down from nearly 70% in 1951.That's a huge achievement.

Please elaborate. With math.

Your own district map is showing how malapuram and kasaragod are different from the rest.

2011 data IIRC.

 

[_Anonymous_]

So if you get beaten up or set on fire over eating holy beef or something by believers of dharmic religion, you wouldn't die. Interesting.

You mean prior to 2014 , people never got lynched for related crimes. I suppose if I were you tell you that up in the North or East, cattle smuggling is big business & that law enforcement is not just lax but are known to be incompetent, highly compromised & corrupt leading to ppl taking the law into their own hands is totally besides the point. Analogy being the kidnapping of children from villages which resulted in a spate of lynchings in between.

It's been a decade and I see no traction. It was all forgotten until RW twitter dug up an old video. Any recent incidents which make you say so ?

Just posted a video on it. Did you miss it? Scroll up again.

Hmm...

The state-wise percentage of migrant labourers residing in Kerala, according to GIFT, is: West Bengal (20), Bihar (18.10), Assam (17.28), Uttar Pradesh (14.83), Odisha (6.67) and the rest of the states (23.13).

The Promised Land: Migrant workers endure squalid conditions in Kerala - Firstpost

https://www.firstpost.com/long-read...ure-squalid-conditions-in-kerala-3733945.html

So you've 37% from Assam & WB. Guess what, the primary hopping spots of pole vaulters from the other side. Going back to that little debate we had about sambandham, you produced a link for an article of Manu Pillai which underlined my argument & completely debunked yours.

I guess statistics are believable than anecdotes. Do we have any other data ?

Swarajya is basically a website version of indiaspeaks subreddit at the best. When did people writing for it become writers ?

 

[Deathstar]

times now reported it
How do you post twitter link here?

Theres a option like handcuffs on the left of image. Click it and paste the tweet link in that insert box

Please elaborate. With math.


2011 data IIRC.

2021 will be a bigger jolt.

 

[_Anonymous_]

The source is called logic. Very easy to understand. You want me to start all over again ?

Please do.

And what source do you want ? Do you need something which says TFR is a reliable matric ? Just because the data was questioned by someone who doesn't even understand how population growth works ?[/QUOTE]
Credible sources. Are there any from your end?

You wanted 'connection', so here is it.

Pls do keep stretching things. I love flogging dead horses too.

Well in that case UP have more Muslims than France. Should have more ISIS fighters too I guess.

Gee, you're right. But it didn't happen. Wonder why?

And what was the total number who joined ISIS from KL anyway ?

The Islamic State in India’s Kerala: A primer | ORF

It was reported by one TV channel named Janam TV. Owned by BJP nonetheless.

Obviously an unbiased source.

Obviously.

Please elaborate. With math.


2011 data IIRC.

Wait for the 2021 census. You won't need math or wait up to 2041 . Obviously for you if looks like a snake , crawls like a snake & hisses like one, it isn't one. To you sir, I ask you to antagonize the snake. When it sinks it's fangs into you, you'd even find out if the snake's venomous or not.

 

[Amal]

Just posted a video on it. Did you miss it? Scroll up again

Which is exactly 10 year old. Someone posting a link on twitter yesterday doesn't mean that it occurred yesterday.

Thank lord, they didn't post a WWII clip, then you might claim Yamato was sunk yesterday.

I suppose if I were you tell you that up in the North or East, cattle smuggling is big business & that law enforcement is not just lax but are known to be incompetent, highly compromised & corrupt leading to ppl taking the law into their own hands is totally besides the point.

Err...what ?

So was the hindutva twitter crowd complaining about cattle smuggling when Kerala tourism posted beef fry recipe on twitter ?

Don't know what you are trying to prove. Cow slaughter & Beef eating are religious, emotional issues for some. And some of them resort to violence to enforce their will in others.

Don't try to justify it in the name of cattle farmers.

So you've 37% from Assam & WB.

So you've 37% from Assam & WB. Guess what, the primary hopping spots of pole vaulters from the other side.

Indeed, 100% of those 37% are pole vaulters from Bangladesh.

Now what about rest 63 percentage ? Please find some excuse for them too.

 

[Amal]

Credible sources. Are there any from your end?

In which parallel universe is Swarajya a credible source ?

Please do.

The NFHS-4 data for 2015-16 for Kerala shows that TFR for Hindus and Muslims were reduced to 1.42 and 1.86 respectively, which means that the Muslim TFR is only 35 per cent higher than that of Hindus.

Now how does one resolve what this data shows while all other factors related to demography during the same period completely contradict these figures?

For instance, the number of births by Muslim women and Hindu women for the year 2016 were 21,1182 and 20,7831 respectively, which indicates that despite their population being almost half of the Hindu women, Muslim women gave birth to more children.

In other words, on an average, there were 100 per cent more births from Muslim women than their Hindu counterpart.

Where does the TFR or data on percentage of muslim population say anything about the age profile of that population ?

An younger population would have more births despite having same TFR. Which is the case with Kerala's muslim community

Similarly, if we look at the voter list, we find that the percentage increase in the number of voters between 2014 and 2019 is more than 100 per cent higher in the Muslim-dominated parliamentary constituency (Malappuram) than the parliamentary constituency with least Muslims (Thiruvananthapuram).

Never knew that TFR in 2015-16 would change the population reaching voting age in 2014-19.

Pls do keep stretching things

Don't blame me. It was you who posted that link without even reading it. Kindly put some effort.

Gee, you're right. But it didn't happen. Wonder why?

Not radicalized or poor to buy flight tickets ? I am not the UP expert here.

Wait for the 2021 census. You won't need math or wait up to 2041

So you don't have any proofs for that either. Come on, don't just throw around numbers like that.

Going back to that little debate we had about sambandham, you produced a link for an article of Manu Pillai which underlined my argument & completely debunked yours.

I'm coming to that. Don't worry.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Which is exactly 10 year old. Someone posting a link on twitter yesterday doesn't mean that it occurred yesterday.

Thank lord, they didn't post a WWII clip, then you might claim Yamato was sunk yesterday.

Where does anything in the tweet or the clip say it's 10 years old?

Err...what ?

So was the hindutva twitter crowd complaining about cattle smuggling when Kerala tourism posted beef fry recipe on twitter ?

Don't know what you are trying to prove. Cow slaughter & Beef eating are religious, emotional issues for some. And some of them resort to violence to enforce their will in others.

Don't try to justify it in the name of cattle farmers.

I'm not. I'm saying the figures quoted for lynchings in the name of beef consumption is conflated with figures of people transporting cattle legally as well as those indulging in cattle smuggling. Hope that clarifies my stance.

Indeed, 100% of those 37% are pole vaulters from Bangladesh.

Now what about rest 63 percentage ? Please find some excuse for them too.

And I'm grateful that those 63% are non Muslims. I like Mangalore too much to see the lingua franca there turn to Malayalam instead of Tulu which is what it is now.

 

[Revan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1220828919160561665

 

[Revan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1220699037050867712