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More feathers in the cap of Chanakya, he is on rampage. Read the resolution and see the language used.

EU Parliament to vote on scathing resolution against India - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Every tom dick and harry preaching India now, but guess what, it's all under control, after all this is masterclass of politics, giving a long rope to hang, exactly how he gave a lesson of lifetime in Maharashtra where two genius Pawar and Shah were feasting upon Shiv Sena (or so we were told).

The damage this chanakya has done in diplomatic circles is not fully in public yet. I don't know how long Modi will wait before throwing him out.
 
You have enough now, go for chicken neck, cut Assam, karoge?

There were and are pretty provocative posters and slogans in shaheen bagh.

Our problem is we consider shaheen bagh as a monolith rather a run off the mill narrative churner.

Jihadis have their own objective while opposition is trying to play game of thrones in the middle. They are inciting Hindus through f**k hindutva, dead cow in lotus, Hindu women in burqua, dividing India etc so that Hindus attack Muslims and result into anarchy while US and Eurotrash left gives covering fire to throw Modi/BJP out.

They, Infact, wants riots and casualties of Muslims to do politics over dead bodies and bring dynasts back to power in New Delhi.

Here BJP+RSS did play smart by not responding to this Indian "Arab spring" rerun and let law run its course.

So yes shaheen bagh is "rent a crowd" protests with multiple sponsors and their divergent objectives.
 
More feathers in the cap of Chanakya, he is on rampage. Read the resolution and see the language used.

EU Parliament to vote on scathing resolution against India - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Every tom dick and harry preaching India now, but guess what, it's all under control, after all this is masterclass of politics, giving a long rope to hang, exactly how he gave a lesson of lifetime in Maharashtra where two genius Pawar and Shah were feasting upon Shiv Sena (or so we were told).

The damage this chanakya has done in diplomatic circles is not fully in public yet. I don't know how long Modi will wait before throwing him out.
Texts adopted - Situation of the Uyghur in China (China-cables) - Thursday, 19 December 2019
This is European resolution on Uyghurs in China. It has already been adopted. China didn't bat an eye. Why should India care?

Diplomacy is not done with EU. It is done with real nations. EU is just a worthless organization. Lets see how many nations will actually care for some random EU resolution.
 
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Texts adopted - Situation of the Uyghur in China (China-cables) - Thursday, 19 December 2019
This is European resolution on Uyghurs in China. It has already been adopted. China didn't bat an eye. Why should India care?
If the SCO or BRICS come together to issue a condemnation of continuing street protests in France which will complete a year shortly or pass a resolution condemning Spain for its heavy handed response to Catalan seeking independence or even condemn the EU for turning away boats carrying immigrants escaping war or famine or a ruinous economy , the EU would get it's collective panties in a twist & Boorish Johnson would be licking his lips in anticipation like a Cheshire Cat seeing himself as a modern day Churchill trying his best to profit from a hopeless & misbegotten situation. @BMD
 
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For any one who is having any doubts about how REAL diplomacy works should see how diplomacy worked in UNSC during 1947. Pakistan, having attacked Kashmir, with whom they had signed a stand still agreement, was not even chastised in UNSC resolution. Heck, they were not even forced to stop the war for about an year. Not just that it took 4 months before they could even get a resolution in place. And this was UNSC. And then, the original resolution 47 which recognized Pakistan as aggressor was changed in 1950 to treat position of India and Pakistan as same. India had to see a number of resolution one after another, each weakening its position in UNSC while facing attacks from Pakistan. It was only in 1971 when USSR intervened and counselled Indian diplomats to stop giving any shit to these resolutions did they stop. And it is a well known fact that post 1971 no new resolution was taken. Previously the general understanding in UNSC was (as put by one analyst) : " if India was slapped on both the cheeks, India felt bad it did not have a third cheek to show.".

And did I mention that this was UNSC with 1000 times more teeth than EU Parliament?

Indians like @BlackOpsIndia should read some history before getting all too hoppy about any and every statement by any tom, dick and harry. Oh, and the next time Saab comes to sell its Grippen, make them do all the circus and then reject it with publicly disclosing a massive list of flaws in Grippen and reminding swedes that how much their shit stinks. Thats how you deal with good-boys of Europe.

We as a nation, should also stop funding ANY and every left leaning places of studies, like JNU. Problem is, JNU produces people like Ashok Swine, who in turn go to Europe and curse India the most. We need to produce "thinkers" and "intel-acts" who can represent our interests. Most of the time our interests are hampered by our own "intellectuals". And by intellectuals I mean any idiot who did a degree in liberal arts from JNU. We need more nationalist intellectuals who can be part of these circlejerks international forums and represent Indian interests.
 
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We as a nation, should also stop funding ANY and every left leaning places of studies, like JNU. Problem is, JNU produces people like Ashok Swine, who in turn go to Europe and curse India the most. We need to produce "thinkers" and "intel-acts" who can represent our interests. Most of the time our interests are hampered by our own "intellectuals". And by intellectuals I mean any idiot who did a degree in liberal arts from JNU. We need more nationalist intellectuals who can be part of these circlejerks international forums and represent Indian interests.


Indian Diplomacy is still a failure.

Reason

1. Most of Indian diplomats are greedy. They work less spend more. I have given many examples in other threads.
2. Indian diplomats don't really have good knowledge of a culture and the society where they get posted. They are misguided by their group B subordinates and there is lots of internal politics in MEA for postings.
3. Selection procedure for Indian diplomats is still third class. Relying on UPSC would create only bunch of good for nothing people.
 
1. Most of Indian diplomats are greedy. They work less spend more. I have given many examples in other threads.
If you think ONLY Indian diplomats are greedy and corrupt, you are mistaken.
2. Indian diplomats don't really have good knowledge of a culture and the society where they get posted. They are misguided by their group B subordinates and there is lots of internal politics in MEA for postings.
Again, its not a India specific problem.
3. Selection procedure for Indian diplomats is still third class. Relying on UPSC would create only bunch of good for nothing people.
Government servants everywhere are selected in the same manner.
 
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Texts adopted - Situation of the Uyghur in China (China-cables) - Thursday, 19 December 2019
This is European resolution on Uyghurs in China. It has already been adopted. China didn't bat an eye. Why should India care?
For starters India is not China, China is chastised for Human Rights abuse on almost every forum and every other day and on merit. The basis of this resolution is CAA, its barely a 2 page act and the content is only of 5-6 lines rest is just syntax, it doesnt even mention word Muslim in whole act yet you are reduced to some kind of extremist bigot successfully by whole world. Blaming Jihadis is like blaming snakes for having fangs, they are supposed to do this, its your duty to not let them successful but you failed so badly that it will be lesson for coming generation how to not fk up a positive bill.

For any one who is having any doubts about how REAL diplomacy works should see how diplomacy worked in UNSC during 1947. Pakistan, having attacked Kashmir, with whom they had signed a stand still agreement, was not even chastised in UNSC resolution. Heck, they were not even forced to stop the war for about an year. Not just that it took 4 months before they could even get a resolution in place. And this was UNSC. And then, the original resolution 47 which recognized Pakistan as aggressor was changed in 1950 to treat position of India and Pakistan as same. India had to see a number of resolution one after another, each weakening its position in UNSC while facing attacks from Pakistan. It was only in 1971 when USSR intervened and counselled Indian diplomats to stop giving any shit to these resolutions did they stop. And it is a well known fact that post 1971 no new resolution was taken. Previously the general understanding in UNSC was (as put by one analyst) : " if India was slapped on both the cheeks, India felt bad it did not have a third cheek to show.".

And did I mention that this was UNSC with 1000 times more teeth than EU Parliament?
Thats lot of content on "HOW DIPLOMACY WORKS" without a thing about context. In 1947, infact even 2 decades later India fed its population based on charity of others, beggars are not choosers, there is a thing called diplomatic clout/muscle, you may wanna read about it a bit before throwing random out of context phrases.

Anyway fast forward to 2019, India violates sovereignty of a lunatic Nuclear Power, no body bats an eye, few months later India scraps article 370, nobody say a thing, you see how its different from 1947? Now suddenly after CAA, non issue driven fully on misinformation, everyone is lecturing us and the government that is supposed to clear the misunderstanding, nipping this in bud was infact the leader of misinformation campaign because it was politically attractive.

Now in defense of that you are telling me that its okay, we were humiliated in 1947 too so its natural they will humiliate us again, we should ignore it, so are we back to our status of 1947 just in 2-3 months? You are conveniently hiding that just 6 months back whole world was backing us, respecting our position and concern even on our aggressive stance. By playing victim of 'evil west' you are brushing under the carpet the gross incompetence of Govt. of India and its leaders who are responsible for this.

Go back to past few months, see what changed during this time, there is a series of fk ups from government and than doubling down on all of them to show that they cannot be wrong. You make more enemies every day, even allies that were supporting you through thick and thin, now when they are turning on you, paying back in kind and you are crying victim.

Texts adopted - Situation of the Uyghur in China (China-cables) - Thursday, 19 December 2019
Diplomacy is not done with EU. It is done with real nations. EU is just a worthless organization. Lets see how many nations will actually care for some random EU resolution.
And you were teaching us about what "REAL DIPLOMACY" is.

Indians like @BlackOpsIndia should read some history before getting all too hoppy about any and every statement by any tom, dick and harry.
Sure, anything else sir? and EU is not any tom dick and harry, WaPo, WSJ is, not EU but since you have repeatedly called it worthless here is wiki link for starters to know about EU European Union - Wikipedia after that we will slowly read about Indian Government and Ministries EU centric approach, negotiations, and how seriously India takes it.

Amazing the length people goes to defend blunder and incompetence!
 
so badly that it will be lesson for coming generation how to not fk up a positive bill.
The positive bill was poisoned by Mr "Chronology" Shah.. He further went ahead by announcing in the Parliament that pan India NRC is imminent. The clown further said in an interview that none of the government issued documents like voter Id, prove citizenship, telling people to trust the government to find out who real citizens are... Now, motu Shah is saying, that, NRC is not being discussed now.. But, he has managed to scare the sh*t out of Muslims, that they have come on the streets... He could have been more humble, and taken things one step at a time.. But, in openly declaring his end game, and implying that he is an unstoppable force of nature; he has managed to bring the situation to such a pass.. The BJP never intended to bring in CAA, as a standalone act... It was meant to be a precursor to national wide NRC. But, now GOI is trying to defend itself by acting as if CAA is a standalone legislation, unrelated to a disenfranchising initiative like NRC. But, thanks to Mr. Chronology, the world has seen right through this..
Meanwhile, its very interesting to see, how GOI navigates this...
 
For starters India is not China, China is chastised for Human Rights abuse on almost every forum and every other day and on merit. The basis of this resolution is CAA, its barely a 2 page act and the content is only of 5-6 lines rest is just syntax, it doesnt even mention word Muslim in whole act yet you are reduced to some kind of extremist bigot successfully by whole world. Blaming Jihadis is like blaming snakes for having fangs, they are supposed to do this, its your duty to not let them successful but you failed so badly that it will be lesson for coming generation how to not fk up a positive bill.
And yet, no one cuts ties with China. Not even in 1980s. Wonder why?

Thats lot of content on "HOW DIPLOMACY WORKS" without a thing about context. In 1947, infact even 2 decades later India fed its population based on charity of others, beggars are not choosers, there is a thing called diplomatic clout/muscle, you may wanna read about it a bit before throwing random out of context phrases.
A question, did Pakistan feed her people honey and meat back then? You still don't know why in 1950 the resolution was changed from Pakistan to have to withdraw her troops first to BOTH India and Pakistan have to withdraw. Do you? As I said, learn the history to learn how it really works.

And you were teaching us about what "REAL DIPLOMACY" is.
Indeed. I am.

Anyway fast forward to 2019, India violates sovereignty of a lunatic Nuclear Power, no body bats an eye, few months later India scraps article 370, nobody say a thing, you see how its different from 1947? Now suddenly after CAA, non issue driven fully on misinformation, everyone is lecturing us and the government that is supposed to clear the misunderstanding, nipping this in bud was infact the leader of misinformation campaign because it was politically attractive.
No one is lecturing us. Its just some are too much interested in finding our "third cheek" still.

Sure, anything else sir? and EU is not any tom dick and harry, WaPo, WSJ is, not EU but since you have repeatedly called it worthless here is wiki link for starters to know about EU European Union - Wikipedia after that we will slowly read about Indian Government and Ministries EU centric approach, negotiations, and how seriously India takes it.
EU is so much of a worthless body that even europeans do not care about them. And not to mention, UK is very much on the way to leave them. Remember, you do business with individual nations, not EU.
Amazing the length people goes to defend blunder and incompetence!
Oh? Lets see. Pray tell me how many nations had banned business with China when CCP crushed students under tanks. This was 1989, before China became rich it is. The one thing we should learn from Chinese is to know when to give a damn and when no to.
 
Yeah... then why did Shri Modi have to take EU parliamentarians through Kashmir.. But, anyway, the future is a lot of fun...
Exactly why Pakistan brings some random Chinese to show that there were no millitants in the training camps India targeted. PR.
 
Oh? Lets see. Pray tell me how many nations had banned business with China when CCP crushed students under tanks. This was 1989, before China became rich it is. The one thing we should learn from Chinese is to know when to give a damn and when no to
The arms embargo is still there on China.. No, amount of wailing by China has caused EU US to change that... But, such blanket ban on India, is still some years away.. But, we should be prepared... and spend more on indigenous equipment...
 
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Exactly why Pakistan brings some random Chinese to show that there were no millitants in the training camps India targeted. PR.
But Pakistan didn't choose those media persons... India chose only right wing EU parliamentarians. We could have started with envoys, like we did a few weeks ago... India didn't take Russian parliamentarians... but wanted EU ones with more credibility. But, of course, when it does not pan out the way BJP likes.. just retort saying .. We dont give a f**k about the EU...
 
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The positive bill was poisoned by Mr "Chronology" Shah.. He further went ahead by announcing in the Parliament that pan India NRC is imminent. The clown further said in an interview that none of the government issued documents like voter Id, prove citizenship, telling people to trust the government to find out who real citizens are... Now, motu Shah is saying, that, NRC is not being discussed now.. But, he has managed to scare the sh*t out of Muslims, that they have come on the streets... He could have been more humble, and taken things one step at a time.. But, in openly declaring his end game, and implying that he is an unstoppable force of nature; he has managed to bring the situation to such a pass.. The BJP never intended to bring in CAA, as a standalone act... It was meant to be a precursor to national wide NRC. But, now GOI is trying to defend itself by acting as if CAA is a standalone legislation, unrelated to a disenfranchising initiative like NRC. But, thanks to Mr. Chronology, the world has seen right through this..
Meanwhile, its very interesting to see, how GOI navigates this...
He fkd up so bad that Indian Prime Minister has to come and announce that there is not any NRC in pipeline after Home Minister is on record not once but multiple times, they have to launch "Door to Door" campaign to counter the lies spread by left, all starting from Mr. Shah.

Yeah... then why did Shri Modi have to take EU parliamentarians through Kashmir.. But, anyway, the future is a lot of fun...
Nah, EU is just worthless, repeat after me, EU is worthless.

Everyone that criticize us for our own blunder is worthless, we can never do wrong.

The arms embargo is still there on China.. No, amount of wailing by China has caused EU US to change that... But, such blanket ban on India, is still some years away.. But, we should be prepared... and spend more on indigenous equipment...
Blabbering China, China, China without even understanding the basic difference between the two nations is favorite defense, and ofcourse we can also quote how we were humiliated 6-7 decades back so its normal to be insulted today.

If everything fails we can always compare ourselves to Pakistan, tell us how we are better than that cancer of world and find justification of our failures.

A question, did Pakistan feed her people honey and meat back then? You still don't know why in 1950 the resolution was changed from Pakistan to have to withdraw her troops first to BOTH India and Pakistan have to withdraw. Do you? As I said, learn the history to learn how it really works.
Teach me master for I know nothing.
 
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If you think ONLY Indian diplomats are greedy and corrupt, you are mistaken.

Well if you compare them with Nigerian, or Mongolian or Indonesian diplomats of course others are more greedy. The difference is, Indian DIPLOMATS do not get the work done. You be greedy but you get something for India, we will spare you. But here we have been doing blunders, we know very well what was our image.

Again, its not a India specific problem.

Well I think it is very much India specific problem, because other diplomats don't want their kids to be settled in India. But your diplomats want their kids to have all lavish education on tax payer's money.
India is cheap education at school is not costly, but when you go to US and send kids to US school, government pays close to 1 crore on every kid.

Mind , that we are not a developed nation not our ou economy is 14 trillion. We can't afford that. So it is very much India specific problem. Sir.
Government servants everywhere are selected in the same manner.

How many IFS officers are held accountable? I have heard Military people getting court martialed , IRS, IPS and IAS getting suspended. Where is IFS? Do you think they are no corrupt?
 
The positive bill was poisoned by Mr "Chronology" Shah.. He further went ahead by announcing in the Parliament that pan India NRC is imminent. The clown further said in an interview that none of the government issued documents like voter Id, prove citizenship, telling people to trust the government to find out who real citizens are... Now, motu Shah is saying, that, NRC is not being discussed now.. But, he has managed to scare the sh*t out of Muslims, that they have come on the streets... He could have been more humble, and taken things one step at a time.. But, in openly declaring his end game, and implying that he is an unstoppable force of nature; he has managed to bring the situation to such a pass.. The BJP never intended to bring in CAA, as a standalone act... It was meant to be a precursor to national wide NRC. But, now GOI is trying to defend itself by acting as if CAA is a standalone legislation, unrelated to a disenfranchising initiative like NRC. But, thanks to Mr. Chronology, the world has seen right through this..
Meanwhile, its very interesting to see, how GOI navigates this...

I slightly disagree. Concept of CAA/NRC was in open way before BJP, not as widespread marketed though.

Maybe that's why he jumped the gun.

Mr "Chronology" Shah unwrapped many through this ripple effect. All ticking time bombs ran to save their batteries, both domestic and abroad.

The biggest disservice we did as a nation is to appease / suckup to Muslims to such an extent that they took India's secular and democratic values for granted. That's where our social fabric started tearing apart, right from time Muslims said no to UCC inspite of being in constitution right in 1950s paving way for AIMPLB.

Such favors kept on building to the point that 2 citizens of same country don't feel like they have been raised and educated together.