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AbRaj said:
@Arsalan123 if you insult others, you will get insultsX times. There are many more mature ways to taunt your enemy than insulting his country by childish acts.
So instead of playing victim hood, stop provoking others. If you have problem with certain member, take up the matter to mods, you will get my support. But stop this Chutiapanthi of intentionally miss-spelling my country.

lm not expecting you to respect my country, but to follow basic etiquettes. This Ghafoora thingy is all over your heads now. We are all matures here. Stop this childish nonsense, I have no problems with you otherwise and willing to apologise to you and your sisters.



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i am here just to discuss matters related to armed forces and nothing else. i didn't write anything offensive even in the previous comment. i don't understand your logic. words like chutyapanti and others are widely used in both india and pakistan but i don't understand your logic of using these words. i am here to show support to my country and nothing else. we don't even know each other. i don't hate india. i wanted a truce but truce isn't possible. we can only solve our matters through war. there are many senior members from india who know me quite well. i don't know you and i don't know why you feel like this.
 
vstol Jockey said:
When I Became a fighter pilot, i was told to respect the professionalism of PAF. We always considered them to be our finest and worthy opponents. We never had any respect for so called Ghazi PA as we knew that they will always surrender.
WC Abhi was taken into custody by PAF initially and as true traditions of Fighter pilots, PAF treated him with lot of dignity. But ISI took over his custody and tried what they did.
As a reiterd fighter Pilot, I still have respect for PAF but none for PA / ISI. They are still living in the 7th century of Ghazis. Every fighter pilot, irrespective of his nationality is a hardcore fighter and also a gentleman on ground. We had captured many fighter pilots of PAF in 1965/1971 war and we treated them with respect. When we fight as defenders of our nation, we have no personal ill will against eachother but we need to do our duty.
I am sure that even PAF will find a way to strike us irrespective of our advantage today. If they do not, than they are not worth it. AND fighters pilots irrespective of the spectrum have this ability that is why they are called Fighter pilots.
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i agree but i don't like your comment about pak army. one surrender doesn't mean that the same army will again surrender. this is not going to happen again and you are an old member who knew everything about bangladesh war, a piece of land thousand miles away from mainland pakistan. it was impossible for us to defend bangladesh. there was no reinforcement and you understand how reinforcement and supply works. i am happy with pak army performance. we did kargil. i know we lost but it was an offensive operation and without support of paf. we did great. i know you say that it was a bad operation and things like that but in history, a smaller army attacked a bigger army and tried to capture disputed parts. that's all. being offensive is the best policy. we respect you as well. we respect your navy and air force as well. we have seen your navy in 71 and you did well but it's time for us to fight another new war, a war in which nobody surrender.

i agree that nobody wants war but it's part of job so we have to gather intelligence, make an offensive plan and implement that plan. we are a changed country now. we have changed ourselves according to the needs. we know that you are big and we must prepare our self 100%.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
The problem with you PDF fanboys is that you define IAF by a 15 minute skirmish of Feb 27

The fact is that in any high intensity Battle of attrition , PAF will be wiped out

And the PAF knows this fact

So by staying well inside Pakistani airspace they are doing a balancing task
Ie Force Preservation and simultaneously showing to the Population that they can hold back the IAF

But you do understand that we are forcing Them to burn Fuel and spares

These CAPs are just a feel good thing
Till the real war starts
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wiping out Paf is not a possibility. see we have seen problems in IAF and we will exploit those problems again. 15 minute battle showed us confuse pilots. this is our advantage. obviously we aren't going to cross loc until you cross first. why do you want to break the rules again? you must do something big in order to scare us. right now, we are happy and enjoying flight time.
 
Arsalan123 said:
who knew everything about bangladesh war, a piece of land thousand miles away from mainland pakistan. it was impossible for us to defend bangladesh. there was no reinforcement and you understand how reinforcement and supply works.
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Bigger issue is always the psyche you lot (in enough number and enough station) had that lead to the situation in first place.

Was it so wrong to have a Bengali Prime Minister....where does Islam say any ethnicity should be discriminated like that?....and then operation searchlighted like that on top?

If Bengalis were your compatriots, bonded by faith that you say is absolute enough to forge nationhood in first place, why they overnight turned against you like that? It was their fault....or was it yours? If it was yours, why should we assume anything different about any other conflict and tension you have....since you still refuse to come clean on that one?

You people still refuse to answer this question officially as a nation (hamoodur stays classified), you dont introspect (because same fauj cabal controls the country, esp its psyche), and thus I doubt you will fundamentally change.

You will simply have to be managed and hemmed in....we dont treat your setup as credible...and its only seen futher by your further proven outbursts, be they Kargil or Mumbai.

The actions and lessons will continue...aiding the tanking of your economy (by your own obsessive, incompetent paranoia driven hand) whenever the opportunity presents itself is only the first step...and actually the major one given it curbs what you can physically afford.

Second steps you already are seeing, slap your psyche around with art 370 and get your best faith-allies forking out medals to our PM right after it. Then you refuse to attend conferences that same faith allies tell your PM not to go to....and have your sissy fit drama over that.

Third steps, well you can wait and see if behaviour still does not change from your lot (I speak to you as a larger entity, not you personally).

You seem very very unaware as a group to what 2+ trillion market cap pushes around compared to one that just sunk from 90 billion to 40 billion and dithers and dithers.

Just like when you do prayer to the God that also inflicted upon you in 1971 a lesson from mere pagans you have been told doctrinally certain things on.

So is the God all knowing and all wise to do it? Or is some other questions opened regarding your foundation itself? How does that play with your subconcious?

Till you cannot answer these, you will be on 2nd and 3rd or worse fiddle than us. Only very few of you in PDF (and other places) realise that (among so called elite that can afford such activity), they are generally quite silent commensurately. It is my opinion from what I have interacted thus far.
 
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Nilgiri said:
Bigger issue is always the psyche you lot (in enough number and enough station) had that lead to the situation in first place.

Was it so wrong to have a Bengali Prime Minister....where does Islam say any ethnicity should be discriminated like that?....and then operation searchlighted like that on top?

If Bengalis were your compatriots, bonded by faith that you say is absolute enough to forge nationhood in first place, why they overnight turned against you like that? It was their fault....or was it yours? If it was yours, why should we assume anything different about any other conflict and tension you have....since you still refuse to come clean on that one?

You people still refuse to answer this question officially as a nation (hamoodur stays classified), you dont introspect (because same fauj cabal controls the country, esp its psyche), and thus I doubt you will fundamentally change.

You will simply have to be managed and hemmed in....we dont treat your setup as credible...and its only seen futher by your further proven outbursts, be they Kargil or Mumbai.

The actions and lessons will continue...aiding the tanking of your economy (by your own obsessive, incompetent paranoia driven hand) whenever the opportunity presents itself is only the first step...and actually the major one given it curbs what you can physically afford.

Second steps you already are seeing, slap your psyche around with art 370 and get your best faith-allies forking out medals to our PM right after it. Then you refuse to attend conferences that same faith allies tell your PM not to go to....and have your sissy fit drama over that.

Third steps, well you can wait and see if behaviour still does not change from your lot (I speak to you as a larger entity, not you personally).

You seem very very unaware as a group to what 2+ trillion market cap pushes around compared to one that just sunk from 90 billion to 40 billion and dithers and dithers.

Just like when you do prayer to the God that also inflicted upon you in 1971 a lesson from mere pagans you have been told doctrinally certain things on.

So is the God all knowing and all wise to do it? Or is some other questions opened regarding your foundation itself? How does that play with your subconcious?

Till you cannot answer these, you will be on 2nd and 3rd or worse fiddle than us. Only very few of you in PDF (and other places) realise that (among so called elite that can afford such activity), they are generally quite silent commensurately. It is my opinion from what I have interacted thus far.
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Do you really think any Pakistani will understand what you have written :ROFLMAO:
 
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Jaymax said:
@Falcon - is this true?
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Old news. It was cleared from 28 Feb 2019.

I perhaps mentioned here that the the complete air operations over Kashmir today are controlled by IAF and even IA sorties are cleared by IAF, which was earlier not the case. And of course, been saying the surprise day was that PAF withdrew deep into their own airspace now.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
i agree but i don't like your comment about pak army. one surrender doesn't mean that the same army will again surrender. this is not going to happen again and you are an old member who knew everything about bangladesh war, a piece of land thousand miles away from mainland pakistan. it was impossible for us to defend bangladesh. there was no reinforcement and you understand how reinforcement and supply works. i am happy with pak army performance. we did kargil. i know we lost but it was an offensive operation and without support of paf. we did great. i know you say that it was a bad operation and things like that but in history, a smaller army attacked a bigger army and tried to capture disputed parts. that's all. being offensive is the best policy. we respect you as well. we respect your navy and air force as well. we have seen your navy in 71 and you did well but it's time for us to fight another new war, a war in which nobody surrender.

i agree that nobody wants war but it's part of job so we have to gather intelligence, make an offensive plan and implement that plan. we are a changed country now. we have changed ourselves according to the needs. we know that you are big and we must prepare our self 100%.
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Few clarifications for you. J&K and Balochistan had signed a stand still agreement with India and Pakistan in 1947. You invaded both the countries and made them a part of your nation. Indian Army had gone into J&K on 27th Oct morning when PA were already in Srinagar. We threw you out from there thru a series of battles which you lost. It was only for the stupidity of Nehru that you still have part of J&K with you. So you lost the very first war you had with India.
Next came 1965, We all know what happened and why you celebrate the defence of Pakistan Day. You nearly lost Lahore in 1965.
You have explained 1971 yourself and the last war was in Kargil. Once again you did what you tried in 1947. Came and occupied posts of IA which we had vacated during winters as part of an unwritten understanding. You backstabbed us like you backstabbed Maharaja Hari Singh and Nawab of Kalat in 1947. You did not fight any battle to take over those posts. You came in like thieves and IA than threw you out.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
It is very good for India. They are committing their reserves rather too early.
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But they must be stationing them at least 30 KM from the LOC

So that they are outside Artillery Range

POK terrain is such that they can fight a defensive battle easily

We will have to open Jammu front
 
There's been a lot of speculation on Twitter for the past 10 days that Paxtan has planned something very big in Kashmir on or after 11/05 . @DivineHeretic detailed the situation a few days ago. One can see Dimran's accusations against India staging a false flag attack, Doval's high profile meetings with various government functionaries, PA's & PAF's preparations & mobilisations & our counter efforts as part of the same strategy.

What do the stars foretell? @vstol Jockey
 
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There's been a lot of speculation on Twitter for the past 10 days that Paxtan has planned something very big in Kashmir on or after 11/05 . @DivineHeretic detailed the situation a few days ago. One can see Dimran's accusations against India staging a false flag attack, Doval's high profile meetings with various government functionaries, PA's & PAF's preparations & mobilisations & our counter efforts as part of the same strategy.

What do the stars foretell? @vstol Jockey
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It wont remain confined to LOC

https://twitter.com/x/status/1259834842549678080

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258743755710050304
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Do you really think any Pakistani will understand what you have written :ROFLMAO:
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Some will, some do. I treat Arsalan345 at credible enough level for it...he is even here in first place after all (suffered and still likely getting lot of flak for it from mob and mods in PDF on it) ... he actually interested in having such a dialogue portal....so guy must have tough enough skin for when I go incisive.

Any "others" observing from other side (that I get grief from on PDF time to time for airing some views here that I cannot there), can chew on it and see what the cud is like.... thats up in the air in the end.

I do however feel there is very few as % overall that understand way I sometimes present things..... you are correct.
 
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Nilgiri said:
Bigger issue is always the psyche you lot (in enough number and enough station) had that lead to the situation in first place.

Was it so wrong to have a Bengali Prime Minister....where does Islam say any ethnicity should be discriminated like that?....and then operation searchlighted like that on top?

If Bengalis were your compatriots, bonded by faith that you say is absolute enough to forge nationhood in first place, why they overnight turned against you like that? It was their fault....or was it yours? If it was yours, why should we assume anything different about any other conflict and tension you have....since you still refuse to come clean on that one?

You people still refuse to answer this question officially as a nation (hamoodur stays classified), you dont introspect (because same fauj cabal controls the country, esp its psyche), and thus I doubt you will fundamentally change.

You will simply have to be managed and hemmed in....we dont treat your setup as credible...and its only seen futher by your further proven outbursts, be they Kargil or Mumbai.

The actions and lessons will continue...aiding the tanking of your economy (by your own obsessive, incompetent paranoia driven hand) whenever the opportunity presents itself is only the first step...and actually the major one given it curbs what you can physically afford.

Second steps you already are seeing, slap your psyche around with art 370 and get your best faith-allies forking out medals to our PM right after it. Then you refuse to attend conferences that same faith allies tell your PM not to go to....and have your sissy fit drama over that.

Third steps, well you can wait and see if behaviour still does not change from your lot (I speak to you as a larger entity, not you personally).

You seem very very unaware as a group to what 2+ trillion market cap pushes around compared to one that just sunk from 90 billion to 40 billion and dithers and dithers.

Just like when you do prayer to the God that also inflicted upon you in 1971 a lesson from mere pagans you have been told doctrinally certain things on.

So is the God all knowing and all wise to do it? Or is some other questions opened regarding your foundation itself? How does that play with your subconcious?

Till you cannot answer these, you will be on 2nd and 3rd or worse fiddle than us. Only very few of you in PDF (and other places) realise that (among so called elite that can afford such activity), they are generally quite silent commensurately. It is my opinion from what I have interacted thus far.
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hi Nilgiri. i understand your point. obviously 71 was our own mistake. obviously it's hard to defend this narrative but despite all our mistakes, there was one mistake from India as well. the mistake is well known to us and that's why today we think of India as enemy. mistake is interference of India in our matters. when i say our, i mean matters and circumstances related to Bangladesh war and infiltration of Indian army inside our territory. no law allow other country to enter another country. obviously you say that there was flow of refugees. i understand! but i can't understand role of Indian army in Bangladesh war. now what can you expect from Pakistan? we lost one small part and we faced you in our own territory. in 71, all accepted laws were broken by India and not by Pakistan.
it's like if we are fighting with our own people in our own yard, what brings your army in our yard? India doesn't justify it yet. India only make excuses like flow of refugees and things like that but there is no clear justification.obviously you divided us and now you want us to behave in a good way. how can we become your good friends? it's impossible. before 71, we didn't interfere in your country matters. we consider Kashmir as disputed so forget about 65. we attacked on IB in 65 only after you decided to attack Lahore.

point is simple. we don't want things to happen but we are forced because we see India as threat. we can't forget 71. you did things successfully. you can try it again that's why we are making sure that you can't try things on that level. i hope you understand my point.
Do you think abrogation changed our mindset? do you think weather news of our cities can make us weaker? do you think we care about these small things? as i said earlier somewhere, abrogation doesn't change anything for us. it doesn't matter for us. we aren't ready to give you an inch of our land and same is true for you. people in your country talk about our cities,our provinces like you are about to launch an operation.i mean everyday, they discuss partition of Pakistan. this is like a disease. have you not seen members here talking about full invasion? about f-16 running away from your jets and about unimaginable stories like bombing on ballistic missiles, destroying jets?
what i am trying to say is that we know! we know your intentions and we know that you are deeply penetrated but same is true for you as well. how many agents will you arrest? they are so many. we have everything. we also operate satellite.we are only suffering on economical front. economy is a big worry but there are friends and they are ready to help as usual.
Nilgiri tell me why Indian army and Chinese army kicked each other? 150 men were involved. do you think they(Chinese) will allow you to enter in Pakistan and dismantle their mega project named Cpec? do you think they will allow you to sit in Karachi and harass their vessels? i mean think about it carefully. It's a big game my friend. why Pakistan and china are so close? why only Pakistan is testing their new weapons? because they trust us and we are together against you which is not good for India. i understand your concern about our economy but please don't consider us Nepal or Bhutan. we are an active army. we know how to fly planes. we can do anything. we have weapons just like you. Smaller doesn't mean weak. both united states and China wants Pakistan. they have their own reasons.
I believe that if India really wants to attack then it must attack. we hear everyday about deaths on both sides but there is no clear winner. you should show something to us so that we can rate you higher. don't consider it as offense. i mean without your attack, how can we consider you as a bigger,genuine threat? obviously we know you have plans but when will you implement it? do you think abrogation can make us weaker? hahaha abrogation is just a paragraph written on a paper. it has no value for us.
yes there are some problems in our society like rich getting richer. it's sad but things will change. one day people in Pakistan will go to the streets and demand decrease in prices and ask government to provide more jobs. your people also did the same things in the past and now you are getting better. people here don't want to change. they must change.
by the way, i don't have any superiority complex. i am a Muslim just like others. we can only defend. i believe we have adopted a defensive policy. i believe that this defensive policy is wrong but what can i say about that? i am Mr.nobody. i believe that our hero Musharraf was right. he is still very much aggressive and i loved his leadership. he improved Pakistan but today there is nobody like Musharraf. i want someone in our country to behave like Musharraf. we must be more aggressive.
 
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