Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Arsalan123 said:
There are no alternatives this time.stop construction and save yourself. soldiers thrown in water and detained. news like that doesn't make any sense. soldiers injured each other! looks more like a wrestling match lol.
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What do you want to do? The last bullet on Indo Chinese borders was fired on 1987. It's been 33 years of peace and 10 years of pushing and shoving. Indian and Chinese patrol as a matter of policy don't even carry weapons.
So who is ready to fire the first bullet and get called as aggressor here? CCP may lie seeing they control media in China but skirmishes are recorded by troops of respective sides. It's hard for both of us. The moment the bullet is fired, Chinese have one more neighbour with weapons at their borders. Their active strength is now less than a million. Do they want that? I do not know. Indians have been planning a two front war for a long time. Whether we will prevail or win is another matter altogether. By firing an bullet you are pushing India into a military and economic alliance with US.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
There are no alternatives this time.stop construction and save yourself. soldiers thrown in water and detained. news like that doesn't make any sense. soldiers injured each other! looks more like a wrestling match lol.
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so you mean to say that the chinese armed forces which have:
the latest gear
the best airforce (5th gen tech and all)
the worlds largest/fastest/bestes drone tech

does not have the guts to fire a single bullet at India?
heck Pakistan has more balls than these folks.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
There are no alternatives this time.stop construction and save yourself. soldiers thrown in water and detained. news like that doesn't make any sense. soldiers injured each other! looks more like a wrestling match lol.
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We are doing this instead, lol! Let the Chinkee Ching-chongs jump up and down.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

India China news: India looks ready for long stand-off with China, may not stop border infra work | India News - Times of India

India News: Indian security sources say India should be prepared for more turbulence with China on the border. This is because, as a “second mover” India is playi
timesofindia.indiatimes.com timesofindia.indiatimes.com
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
Well looks like ex foreign secy too got the puzzle wrong after all the right pieces since he almost repeated what I was saying here before.
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Yes , that's your interpretation of it. He's also declared that China is most uncomfortable with India's upgradation of facilities there & that these are routine occurences every summer. Going by your interpretation that China is embarrassing India so as to send a message not to side with Taiwan at the WHO or the US in their attempts to isolate China, can you explain what triggered of all those incidents in the last decade during MMS & Modi's premiership when the PLA ended up camping on the Indian side of the LAC for weeks at end before returning.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
Yes , that's your interpretation of it. He's also declared that China is most uncomfortable with India's upgradation of facilities there & that these are routine occurences every summer.
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He said these incidents are increasing because infra is upgraded on both side which increases number of patrols and chances of encounter between two. Then he says that we are upgrading infra in this area without any objection from China.

Going by your interpretation that China is embarrassing India so as to send a message not to side with Taiwan at the WHO or the US in their attempts to isolate China, can you explain what triggered of all those incidents in the last decade during MMS & Modi's premiership when the PLA ended up camping on the Indian side of the LAC for weeks at end before returning.
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I was talking about present situation, past incidents have their own reason, stopping us from going anti China, suspending Quad, border visits/rally and all. Dalai Lama's visits were enough to rile up China like nothing else. Many times we pick up confrontation on behalf of US instead of our interests like that South China Dispute.

Story being on SCS is China must uphold rule based order for freedom of navigation, however no such buildup against China when they are occupying Aksai Chin from so long. Russia can get sanctions for Crimea but nobody cares about Aksai Chin or rule based order for India. It's always US interests that matters, never ours and we like a good boy put ourselves in harms way for others while they don't give a $hit about our problems. The same story is repeated in this WHO saga.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
There are no alternatives this time.stop construction and save yourself. soldiers thrown in water and detained. news like that doesn't make any sense. soldiers injured each other! looks more like a wrestling match lol.
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We have alternative....
Kill the DOG (Pakistan) and master (China) Falls in line....😠😠😜

Once we take out Pakistan IA will have only one enemy (China) to kill while China will be stretched at Taiwan, SCS, Hong Kong, Japan, US, Australia, Indian Navy combined.

All these tantrums and ruckus by chinkies is to deviate India's attention from Pakistan border where Chinese lapdog Pak army is being butchered daily by Indian army and for intimidating India to stop poking Taiwan issue and pulling out American companies from China to India. All these nonsense will stop once we kill the Chinese DOG (Pakistan) as this will show India's military strength and will power of taking the enemy head on....
 
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lcafanboy said:
We have alternative....
Kill the DOG (Pakistan) and master (China) Falls in line....😠😠😜

Once we take out Pakistan IA will have only one enemy (China) to kill while China will be stretched at Taiwan, SCS, Hong Kong, Japan, US, Australia, Indian Navy combined.

All these tantrums and ruckus by chinkies is to deviate India's attention from Pakistan border where Chinese lapdog Pak army is being butchered daily by Indian army and for intimidating India to stop poking Taiwan issue and pulling out American companies from China to India. All these nonsense will stop once we kill the Chinese DOG (Pakistan) as this will show India's military strength and will power of taking the enemy head on....
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its actually the other way round, deliver a bloody nose to china in Ladakh, Pakistan will fall in line. And hitting china is easier, especially with US support.
BlackOpsIndia said:
It's always US interests that matters, never ours and we like a good boy put ourselves in harms way for others while they don't give a $hit about our problems.
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Okay, explain to me what was US interest in following confrontations:
1 67
2 87
3 Dokhlam
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
Well looks like ex foreign secy too got the puzzle wrong after all the right pieces since he almost repeated what I was saying here before.
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There is a general pattern in all "Ex-Beaurocrats". Once they are out of job they start giving opinions that how anything Indian is inferior to rest off the world. One of these days, one of these guys will write "Indian should not under estimate dodos, after all dodos were never colonized" or "India may find finds it hard to fight against dodo birds". The guy got it wrong. There is no message, its basically appraisal time in CPC. They need to perform in front of CPC leadership.

When it was dokhlam confrontation, the very same "ex-Beaurocrats" were opining how China had infiltrated in India's territory. Later we found it was a confrontation in Bhutanese territory on an initiative of India.
 
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My two cents -

Current situation with China are culmination of few factors -

1) Covid19 and China's dirty hands:
China knows that an investigation at global level will turnish its image. It needs the world something else to think about, divert their attention. What better way than increasing tention with the other sizable power in Asia.

2) US and politics:
D.Trump has been looking for excuses to have a bout with China. India holds a very important place in that for US.

But wait, if China starts a border conflict with India, doesn't that give US the opportunity to cash in?

In short, no.

China wants to tie India down to the Himalayas, where as they are actually worried about South China sea. Also, notice how they never fire a bullet, it's practically show of muscles in the real sense of the term. That's coz they don't want to escalate, just apply enough pressure to keep India busy and that in turn acts as a deterrence.

3) Taiwan and Who: I don't think they care a whole lot about Who. It's more about the support that Taiwan gathered. That's unsettling for China.

From India's perspective, I feel, all efforts are in place to try and de-escalate the situation.
Right or not, that's what's happening, that's what have been happening before as well, take Dokalam as an example.

As for suggestions on taking out Pak and China comes back to line or vice-versa, it's little tricky now, as the events are not linear, it's not like if India attacks Pak, China will wait for India to decimate Pak and then start fighting India.

It will be parallel.
India has to be ready for a proper two front war.

Current situation has one issue which I find really hard to digest - Rafale hysteria. It's as if the moment we get these jets, magically all problems are solved and without these jets we are not at all capable of fighting a war. Post Balakote, it was said that if we had rafales, things would have been different. It's bloody high time to come out of this mindset. We have enough to give a bloody nose to China any day. In numbers they have more, sure, but a battle in the mountains, it takes a whole lot more than numbers to win. There we have a huge advantage, something that we should consider capitalising on.

And if India escalate, world will see India as aggressors. Does any one care right now? Why the hell does China have such an intimidating build up near our border? Can't we strike preemptively if we feel we are going to be attacked? This whole "good boy" picture has to go. China needs to be taught that we can give them a lot of pain if they don't stop screwing with us.
 
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Yashpatel604 said:
With presence of over 5,000 Chinese troops, India increases troops' strength in Ladakh, other areas.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1264841341436964865
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But just a day ago so many people were working overtime to prove there were only few hundred troops and not 5,000 troops of China!

Saaho said:
Okay, explain to me what was US interest in following confrontations:
1 67
2 87
3 Dokhlam
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Always good to read all replies before selectively picking lines from a post so as not to lose the context.

And I don't know who are you that I should explain to you. We are talking, he is putting his argument and I am putting mine. If you want to join be my guest, if I find it worth engaging I will reply if not I wont.

Saaho said:
There is a general pattern in all "Ex-Beaurocrats". Once they are out of job they start giving opinions that how anything Indian is inferior to rest off the world. One of these days, one of these guys will write "Indian should not under estimate dodos, after all dodos were never colonized" or "India may find finds it hard to fight against dodo birds". The guy got it wrong. There is no message, its basically appraisal time in CPC. They need to perform in front of CPC leadership.

When it was dokhlam confrontation, the very same "ex-Beaurocrats" were opining how China had infiltrated in India's territory. Later we found it was a confrontation in Bhutanese territory on an initiative of India.
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It was about one particular person not in general about how good or bad ex bureaucrats are. Once we have a thread on bureaucracy we can tell how good or bad bureaucracy is.

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I am here to learn a thing or two as discussion format on forums allows to test your knowledge and improve it. If anyone is more interested in name calling like that Silver guy on other thread or just typical chest beating posts by many here I won't engage, even when I am quoted or mentioned. I am no expert and I am not here to win any argument so don't argue with me for the sake of it, I have learned a great deal from fine counters to my posts several times and I intend to keep it that way.

Good Day All :)
 
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