Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Many people here are refusing to believe multiple sources on chinese casualties including official ones .come on guys don't live in continuous denial I know you are eagerly waiting for China to release them then only you will believe, but it is not going to happen.
 
Falcon said:
No nation strengthens unless tested. We have allowed ourselves to be on backfoot with respect to China and that is why this day is here. Dokalam issue - there was no question of withdrawal back to Doka La. We should have established permanent presence there.
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Wasn't Bhutan supposed to create presence there? IIRC, according to open source, both India and China agreed that South Dokalam was supposed to be patrolled only, with no permanent presence.

@randomradio

I do not know. And I wont discuss ORBAT unless open sourced.
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According to Nitin Gokhale, 59 and 14 are now permanently under the 17th. 14's armoured brigade has been moved to 7 Div and converted that to RAPID instead, while absorbing 7's infantry brigade into 14, converting 14 into a full infantry div.

And both 23 and 72 Divs are dual tasked between the 17th and WC, to be used as needed. Which is why I felt this was weird. 'Cause 2nd Corps will be left without a division, which means 23 or 72 might have to be connected with 2nd. So it would make sense to put the 23 in with the 17th and drop 72 into the 2nd. Just my two paise.

It's cool if you don't wanna drop in your two cents, I was just thinking aloud that it would give the 17th four divisions to play with during a Sino-India war.
 
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Many people here are refusing to believe multiple sources on chinese casualties including official ones .come on guys don't live in continuous denial I know you are eagerly waiting for China to release them then only you will believe, but it is not going to happen.
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Cos many are fake. If the army gives out such numbers then we will believe. We don't need Chinese sources to believe.
 
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Nepal Armed Police Force increasing presence in Kalapani

Prakash Silwal, KATHMANDU:- Nepal Armed Police Force has increased its presence with regular patrol in the Kalapani area. The area serving as the tri-junction of Nepal, India and China is of strategic importance and now witnesses on-site patrol on a regular basis so as to increase the State's...
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What it means..? Nepalis are patrolling on Indian side ?
 
nair said:
After the fog of war, the Info war has started........... What was the reason for such a disclosure by chinese? - (All if the news of confirmation from chinese are true)

1) They clearly looking for escalation - and need public support
2) They are looking for a deescalation with confirming their causalities, to ease the pressure on GOI
3) When they saw India not taking this lying down, they had to tone down and admit their losses

Chinese are so confusing - It is tough to pin point he intention
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Can't dismiss the possibility that China is trying to create trouble in order to shift focus of 'someone' elsewhere. That someone could be Chinese citizens or political rivals/dissidents etc.

It would make sense to provoke trouble with India and at worst risk getting embarrassed, with minimal losses, than with the US or Japan, and end up with sinking ships and fighter jets.
 
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Falcon said:
I once mentioned that they occupied a few rocky outcrops, so did we. We are giving them back equally.

The Babuas of 16 Bihar and others of Artillery and Armour who were there, did us proud. They charged up the mountain. Without rifles, but a charge of the infantry took place. Outnumbered and dominated yes, but the Babuas did not back down.

I am proud of them. And I am overwhelmed at their courage. That is sheer guts and raw courage. Knowing you won't come down alive. But still charging up.
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Sheer guts and raw courage added with the anger to avenge the death of their CO = Chinese regretting their action for a very long time .
 
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Chain Smoker said:
Many people here are refusing to believe multiple sources on chinese casualties including official ones .come on guys don't live in continuous denial I know you are eagerly waiting for China to release them then only you will believe, but it is not going to happen.
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Because it is not credible. Unless the army claims such a number its all bullshit. More like the so called 300 terrorist killed in Balakot
 
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Volcano said:
Because it is not credible. Unless the army claims such a number its all bullshit. More like the so called 300 terrorist killed in Balakot
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Given the numbers involved from the PLA it's tough to believe that the casualties they suffered would be more than a handful.
In the final analysis, we'd never know for the Chinese aren't going to declare anything officially.

My gut instinct is this is an operation gone horribly wrong from the Chinese perspective.Goes to show how the best laid plans rarely survive the first encounter. It's also my understanding from whatever I've been reading from open sources that the reaction of the Indian jawans they fought thoroughly rattled them.

It's a good thing no bullets were fired else whatever is left of all those accords & agreements we've concluded with the Chinese would be not worth the paper they were written on. Not that they enjoy much credibility today.
 
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randomradio said:
It would make sense to provoke trouble with India and at worst risk getting embarrassed, with minimal losses, than with the US or Japan, and end up with sinking ships and fighter jets.
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Embarrasment is death to the Chinese. I doubt they will risk that and that too with India, who they (apparently) can easily defeat. At least that's what they have portrayed to the world at large.

With US and Japan at least they can blame the western tech, longer history of advancement and what not. Not the same with India.

Edit: Wont they risk losing ships and aircrafts in a war with India? What makes them and others sure that India won't escalate ?
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
China suffered More casualties even AFTER the element of Surprise and Having a huge numerical superiority
At THAT POINT of time

Now let us see how they respond to our Infantry assaults and Artillery barrages
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Why are we responding when we have already killed more Chinese?

Recover lost land?
Avenge CO? News is their CO also killed
Or did we suffer more?

U know veterans at our forum haven't confirmed their loss.
In fact 2 are in line with less loss on their side.
 
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