Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

well they are arguing about their casualties.

do u have any update about depsang.
That is one thread. On the top left of page, click back and you see other topics.
About their casualties, most believe no Chinese deaths. While some tow the official line that it should not be disclosed as its a military area. Something like their green concubines on our western borders.
 
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That is typical Chinese.

But unfortunately for them, they have, this time, stretched this one a bit more than they should have. Until and unless they launch a massive attack across LAC in Tibet by year end, they would end up paying a heavy cost.

The world is closing ranks against what is now increasingly being seen as Chinese attempts to gain control of major economies through COVID-19 crisis and to gain territorial control either in terms of long term leases due to overleveraging of economy by quite a few countries or by extraterritorial claims against weaker nations.

China, in my opinion, was banking upon the deeply entrenched thought process of non-alignment within the Indian ruling elites. But this time, it made a costly mistake as it misunderstood Mr Modi's willingness to upend the tradiitonal dogmas of Indian governance and focus on core Indian interests, even at the cost of 'high moral standards'. Pragmatism has finally replaced chasing the utopian dream in India :)
What if US voids all the treasury bills that China holds. China would collapse. Their banks are extremely over leveraged, but china keeps hiding the the internal financial tremors under the rug. It is just the dollar muscle using which it can bully the world. And US can bring it down with a single stroke. It is all a question of if the US will.
 
We need to prepare for war. PLA has again moved forward and consolidated in all areas from which they had pulled back but not as much as they were earlier. They have decided to stay put and force India to fire first. I think we must sieze the initiative and attack first as per our battle plans rather than wait for PLA to attack first.
 
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We need to prepare for war. PLA has again moved forward and consolidated in all areas from which they had pulled back but not as much as they were earlier. They have decided to stay put and force India to fire first. I think we must siege the initiative and attack first as per our battle plans rather than wait for PLA to attack first.

We should is ok. But will we?

Govt. is exercising max restraint.
 

Is Shiv Kunal Verma ex IA? Or did he have anything to do with national security? @Falcon
You dont know how well we are fortified for offensive actions in East? We can make a dash for Lhasa and librate Lhasha if we want. We can even swing around and librate Cantone which includes Yunaan province & Hong Kong and gateway for PLAN to SCS. You knock out cantone from China and all their claims to SCS will evaporate.
 
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To those who are visiting Chicom forums- What do the Chinese think their casualty figures are?
Some say 2 died others say more were killed but most of them think they clobbered us and we are cowards because we did not attack them back. The comments seem similar to the delusional rantings of the Pakistanis on other forums. They are way more racist and arrogant for even Pakistani standards. They did call out our weaknesses though. They also consider us to be less accustomed to mountain warfare somehow and weakness in mechanisation
 
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The question - If not Modi then who will save them even if they don't act on China
Pretty much the truth though. Even if you don't like it, he is the first one to stand up to China. Congress never did. He is the one building infra, upgrading defence who else did? Which other govt stood up to China after the huge conventional imbalance crept in!
 
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So finally some one has recognized it, sadly we dont have anyother choice.
Indian Armed Forces are an institution within themselves and they know how to force the hands of Modi. Indian Forces want to attack PLA and they will do it. Let Modi and BJP fu$k themselves.
 
Indian Armed Forces are an institution within themselves and they know how to force the hands of Modi. Indian Forces want to attack PLA and they will do it. Let Modi and BJP fu$k themselves.
I dont agree armed forces overruling our political leadership.
 
I dont agree armed forces overruling our political leadership.
Simply put, if CDS knows that his skin will on line, he will indeed find a way to force Modi's hand.

1. Major agitation or possibly a mutiny-type situation in the forces. Its almost impossible but we are now living in impossible times.
2. Loss of positions, and/or large number of personnels with public humiliation. Think if Abhinandan had been killed in custody or during capture by Pakistan forces or civilians.

Either of these situations will bring immediate blame on him and his tenure, something no IFS/IAS/CDS will take on his plate.
 
We need to prepare for war. PLA has again moved forward and consolidated in all areas from which they had pulled back but not as much as they were earlier. They have decided to stay put and force India to fire first. I think we must siege the initiative and attack first as per our battle plans rather than wait for PLA to attack first.

Preparation at civic level is good. But Nothing will happen , people will fight on whatsapp, become BP patient, but I am telling you they won't do anything. Not sure about LAC LOC but arguments will happen at home on these issues. They are after congress, and to uplift economy. Sir you think that Ambani will allow India to get involved into a war? 10 billion dollar investment. Yeh kuch nahi karenge, fuljadiya lagayenge bass, aur aap jese log bekar mein BP barhaoge apna. Please understand sir kuch hony nahi wala.
 
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Preparation at civic level is good. But Nothing will happen , people will fight on whatsapp, become BP patient, but I am telling you they won't do anything. Not sure about LAC LOC but arguments will happen at home on these issues. They are after congress, and to uplift economy. Sir you think that Ambani will allow India to get involved into a war? 10 billion dollar investment. Yeh kuch nahi karenge, fuljadiya lagayenge bass, aur aap jese log bekar mein BP barhaoge apna. Please understand sir kuch hony nahi wala.

War has become inevitable with China with the way things are going, and Ambani's business will be safe no matter what happens on the Chinese border. So there's no lasting issue on that front. Any effect is going to be temporary, until the war lasts, which could be weeks to months.

The main problem for Ambani et al is war with Pakistan, since nukes are in play and his $2B house is a target. Anyway, businesses can't do much to stop a country that's ready to go to war.
 
Preparation at civic level is good. But Nothing will happen , people will fight on whatsapp, become BP patient, but I am telling you they won't do anything. Not sure about LAC LOC but arguments will happen at home on these issues. They are after congress, and to uplift economy. Sir you think that Ambani will allow India to get involved into a war? 10 billion dollar investment. Yeh kuch nahi karenge, fuljadiya lagayenge bass, aur aap jese log bekar mein BP barhaoge apna. Please understand sir kuch hony nahi wala.
The only way a war will happen is if China does something really provocative which puts the Holy Trinity (Babu, Neta, Businessmen) in a deep soup. Why will China do so? To send a message to all those having any kind of interest in India: US, Japan etc. Then a token surgical strike will happen. It will give China excuse to invade India. Once Delhi is in danger, the Trinity will be forced to take action. Ultimately, they will stop Chinese invasion in Almbala or may be outskirts of Delhi and declare it a victory. We will get a new national holiday. Hurrah for victory! Meanwhile, we will need to take visa to visit Gurugaon.