Transport Aircraft of IAF - C-130J, C-17 Globemaster, C295: Updates & Discussions

This right here is what I was saying. Why not make some tie ups now ? Lets say with Embraer or Dassault ? Both of them have the capability yet none have any product in this space now.

As time goes by our need for airlift fleet will grow. How can you not see that ? This short sightedness makes me angry.

What after that ? Even if the 76 continue their numbers wont increase. Either way we will have to buy something completely new. Why not try to make something ? We will try only when the need is imminent, but not otherwise.

Its always like this. Look at the China border crisis. A flurry of deals signed: emergency purchase of light tanks from Russia, DRDO-L&T light tanks plan and what not. Where was this energy and vigor before the crisis began ?
Yeas we need mor strategic airlifters, il76 is an old work horse.
And, both embraer & dassult dont have the experience of designing any strategic lifters. Only handfull of companies like illusion, Antanov, Boeing )&lcAirbus has designed it. And Airbus yet to come with a heavy class aircraft.
They should right... Eventually.
Russians are continuoing with time tested il76, anericans they have enough c17&c5s as if now. No way new models are coming in next 15 years.
 
Yeas we need mor strategic airlifters, il76 is an old work horse.
And, both embraer & dassult dont have the experience of designing any strategic lifters. Only handfull of companies like illusion, Antanov, Boeing )&lcAirbus has designed it. And Airbus yet to come with a heavy class aircraft.

Russians are continuoing with time tested il76, anericans they have enough c17&c5s as if now. No way new models are coming in next 15 years.
Antonov is Ukrainian so not only can we arm twist because of the absolute miserable state of their economy we can even control the IP. The Chinese have bought the IP for the an225 so we can easily buy IP of an-125 and similar aircrafts. Most Antonov planes out perform Western airlifters in raw performance. Our only focus should be reduce cost of maintenance and using amreeki engines. The cost of fuel and maintainability will be handled. Just need the IAF on board.
 
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What after that ? Even if the 76 continue their numbers wont increase. Either way we will have to buy something completely new. Why not try to make something ? We will try only when the need is imminent, but not otherwise.

If there is an immediate need for more transports, then the IL-76MD-90A is in production again. First deliveries began last year and will go on until 2028. The Russians want us to buy some.

We can't make something new yet since we do not have a massive requirement for such aircraft. Aircraft of this class will fail without adequate numbers in production. So the better option is to buy what's available. Right now it's the IL-76MD-90A, which is also called IL-476. It's capable of carrying the T-90.

In the future, the successors to the C-17 and IL-476 should become available.

The current fleet of 28 heavy transports are expected to be sufficient for now. Right now the main priority is light and medium transports.

Its always like this. Look at the China border crisis. A flurry of deals signed: emergency purchase of light tanks from Russia, DRDO-L&T light tanks plan and what not. Where was this energy and vigor before the crisis began ?

Some of the emergency purchases for new stuff are based on lower requirements. For example, the army wouldn't buy hodgepodge designs like the Sprut or DRDO's light tank designs during normal times due to their lower tech specs. So money is spent on stuff that meet requirements. Right now, it's about buying what's available and experimenting with it or at least possess the capability in case it's needed, while not breaking the bank by going for something inadequate in large numbers. Most of the emergency purchases are mainly centered around ammunition, and there's never enough of it, which is pretty normal.
 
Yep. The IAF is gonna upgrade the IL-76. A contract is pending. It will bring the aircraft up to IL-76MD-90A standards and increase service life to 20 more years. It includes new engines, so it will see a significant payload upgrade.
According to the standing committee report, the MLU only includes avionics upgrade. (But re-engining for Il-78!)

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What after that ? Even if the 76 continue their numbers wont increase. Either way we will have to buy something completely new. Why not try to make something ? We will try only when the need is imminent, but not otherwise.
We will look into it 10 years from now. Purchase or development whatever it is.

8-10 years from now we need An-32 replacement. Do you see the eagerness for it? No.
 
Antonov is Ukrainian so not only can we arm twist because of the absolute miserable state of their economy we can even control the IP. The Chinese have bought the IP for the an225 so we can easily buy IP of an-125 and similar aircrafts. Most Antonov planes out perform Western airlifters in raw performance. Our only focus should be reduce cost of maintenance and using amreeki engines. The cost of fuel and maintainability will be handled. Just need the IAF on board.
AN70, its a good platform. It made already and no takers. Its even better than A400, at least on paper. We need to bring this in to HAL production line, it may not be able to lift T90, but far better choice than c130 or A400.
 
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Another blow to China: US, India sign major defence deal
The US has announced a major boost to India amid the ongoing tensions with China in eastern Ladakh. The United States has announced the supply of spare parts of the Indian Air Force's giant cargo aircraft C-130J Super Hercules. The two countries have entered into a $90-million deal.

The US Defence Security Agency said the deal will further strengthen India-US strategic relations. This will advance political stability, peace and prosperity in the Indo-Pacific region.

According to the deal, the US will repair the C-130J Super Hercules to India. They will also have spare part supplies and ground support. India has also ordered an AN/ALR-56M advanced radar warning system, 10 lightweight night vision binoculars, 10 night vision glasses, GPS and electronic warfare to the US.

According to news agency PTI, the Indian Air Force ships will be ready for operation at all times and can be used at any time under emergent circumstances after the C-130J Super Hercules has access to spare parts and service.

According to US law, major defence deals with other countries are placed under the Arms Export Control Act and MPs can review any deal within 30 days. According to the information, Lockheed Mortin will take over the company's sale service as part of the deal with the US.

India is among the 17 countries where C-130J Super Hercules aircraft are used. The Indian Air Force fleet comprises 5 aircraft of this type. India is to order the 6th C-130J-30s Super Hercules aircraft.

A Lockheed Martin company spokesman said C-130J aircraft could take heavy equipment and land in those inaccessible areas of the world. Where no other ship can land. The company's gesture was to land a C-130J aircraft at Daulat Beg Oldie, the world's highest runway in 2013. It was the most audacious operation of the Indian Air Force. India strengthened its security at Daulat Beg Oldie by landing on the runway at a height of about 16,614 feet.
(With agency inputs)
 
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Another blow to China: US, India sign major defence deal
The US has announced a major boost to India amid the ongoing tensions with China in eastern Ladakh. The United States has announced the supply of spare parts of the Indian Air Force's giant cargo aircraft C-130J Super Hercules. The two countries have entered into a $90-million deal.

The US Defence Security Agency said the deal will further strengthen India-US strategic relations. This will advance political stability, peace and prosperity in the Indo-Pacific region.

According to the deal, the US will repair the C-130J Super Hercules to India. They will also have spare part supplies and ground support. India has also ordered an AN/ALR-56M advanced radar warning system, 10 lightweight night vision binoculars, 10 night vision glasses, GPS and electronic warfare to the US.

According to news agency PTI, the Indian Air Force ships will be ready for operation at all times and can be used at any time under emergent circumstances after the C-130J Super Hercules has access to spare parts and service.

According to US law, major defence deals with other countries are placed under the Arms Export Control Act and MPs can review any deal within 30 days. According to the information, Lockheed Mortin will take over the company's sale service as part of the deal with the US.

India is among the 17 countries where C-130J Super Hercules aircraft are used. The Indian Air Force fleet comprises 5 aircraft of this type. India is to order the 6th C-130J-30s Super Hercules aircraft.

A Lockheed Martin company spokesman said C-130J aircraft could take heavy equipment and land in those inaccessible areas of the world. Where no other ship can land. The company's gesture was to land a C-130J aircraft at Daulat Beg Oldie, the world's highest runway in 2013. It was the most audacious operation of the Indian Air Force. India strengthened its security at Daulat Beg Oldie by landing on the runway at a height of about 16,614 feet.
(With agency inputs)

Didn't we order 6+6+1 (replacement)?
 
India is still at least a decade away from manufacturing an Indigenous Transport Aircraft. First step should be to complete the Saras program and start manufacturing Saras in the next 1-2 years. Next step is to create the manufacturing ecosystem by signing the agreement for C-295. We need to get the knowhows of manufacturing turbo prop engines in India. This should be followed by the creation of a new business entity between HAL & Tata to design / manufacture a Transport aircraft in the lines of MTA. We soon will need to replace our AN-32's in the 8-10 years. Unless we start now, we won't be in a position to replace AN-32 with an Indian Transport aircraft.
 
There was the additional need for 6 more for the Coast Guard as well. Hopefully that gets added to the 56. Or some of the Avro's are transferred to Indian Coast Guard. Heard that there is more life on the Avro airframes.
 
There was the additional need for 6 more for the Coast Guard as well. Hopefully that gets added to the 56. Or some of the Avro's are transferred to Indian Coast Guard. Heard that there is more life on the Avro airframes.

Once we start manufacturing them in India , all additional orders will be a formality
 
The C-295 case is interesting to say the least. Given it's application as replacement for the Avros & the resource crunch wonder why's the IAF insistent on it's procurement given the Avros airframe still has plenty of life pending & HAL can easily upgrade it.
Only thing interesting here how the deal is alive after close to 5 years of negotiations.

Vintage aircrafts after upgrade can't match new ones. Additionally, advantage for indian aerospace industry.
 
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Only thing interesting here how the deal is alive after close to 5 years of negotiations.
Is this the first such instance?

Vintage aircrafts after upgrade can't match new ones. Additionally, advantage for indian aerospace industry.
What's the application? Pls consider that. This isn't your regular transportation aircraft. If at all,that'd be it's secondary function. This would have made sense were the C-295s a replacement for the An-32s. Clearly that isn't the case here.

Moreover, let's leave the topic of advantages for our aerospace industry for another day & another aircraft.

Pls note my objections to this is based on the current financial & general situation in a post Covid world not otherwise. While the government is advising the armed forces or rather prioritising deals & projects on its own, can someone explain the rationale for this deal over the Mk1a ( not that we won't sign the deal soon but the delay is baffling) or even additional Rafales given our current stand off with China ( again, additional definitely won't mean immediate delivery but we could work out a deal with France to prioritise us or lease a few Rafales before we land our own - something on the lines of the MKI deal we struck with Russia where we imported a few, utilised them & returned them when we got our MKIs)

I'm inclined to think there's much more to this than meets the eye.