Engaging with Taliban does not mean agreeing with taliban. Every time there is an idiot out there we have to depend on third party like russia,iran,US...etc to prevent any damage to our interests. We are better off directly talking to the devil instead of mourning in silence.
Taliban wants positive relationship with India, welcomes New Delhi's contribution in Afghanistan
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Engaging with Taliban means engaging with ISI.
With the fall of Kabul, there is complete control of ISI over Afghanistan just like it was from 96-01. We do not need to engage with scums at all, we didn't engage with the 96-01, and still did fine. The source of power of these ragtag scum is in Pakistan, strike at the source.
And it seems quite ridiculous to me when we talk of interest. Indians common folk, NRI's, Government, Judiciary, NGO's, Public Institutions, Private institutions do not even work at 10% of their capability towards securing India's interest; so this interest business is a very intelligent-sounding talking point, but when pragmatism set in, the state is just hopeless.
One cannot secure the interests of their nation when the nation's worth only $2000 per capita. The Chinese, even as part of the P5, could do very little towards their own interests when they were also worth only $2000. Even they took the help of Russia from time to time while not interfering in the security of other nations since the 80s.
Does the ISI control taliban , yes. But to what extent ?
Again if you look at taliban , current guy mullah baradar was imprisoned by pakistan and released due to US pressure. I bet right now US must have sidelined pakistan and cut a deal with taliban directly, thats the reason why US is able to exit with less or no causalities. Coming FATF sessions will reveal who did what.
Take kashmir for example, every outfit or person that India tried to have peace talks were killed or destroyed by pakistan. End result was there was more division & destruction among the terror groups & their sympathizers. We were able to whittle down most of them to negligible entities. Did we out rightly reject every one? we always kept our options open & ambiguous.
We have two choices let taliban grow & consume pakistan or play one against another. By the way you never know what we can do unless we try, who would have thought BJP would create better ties with islamic countries that would erode pakistan influence.
Yeh tou lolwa ho gaya.
What's Ajit Duval thinking. After creating such a large network in Afghanistan to support terrorism in Pakistan, it all ended abruptly
P.S. Pakistani embassy is still there and functional.
What's Ajit Duval thinking. After creating such a large network in Afghanistan to support terrorism in Pakistan, it all ended abruptly
P.S. Pakistani embassy is still there and functional.
What makes you think the Indian embassy isn't there & is non functional ? You ought to concentrate on the fact that the Taliban has freed all political prisoners to be read as terrorists including the TTP & it's dy chief.Yeh tou lolwa ho gaya.
What's Ajit Duval thinking. After creating such a large network in Afghanistan to support terrorism in Pakistan, it all ended abruptly
P.S. Pakistani embassy is still there and functional.
This irresistible urge to be “recognised” by bunnys is pathetic for. Twitter worriers who till yesterday were talking about buying every damn fighter jet like vegetables have found something new to bang their head on.
Yeh tou lolwa ho gaya.
What's Ajit Duval thinking. After creating such a large network in Afghanistan to support terrorism in Pakistan, it all ended abruptly
P.S. Pakistani embassy is still there and functional.
Logic.Embassy is still functioning
Last time when bunny got hold of Kabul, they were killing Shias and hazaras like goats on Eid.
Plans = reality?
As far as I know we were only training their officer cadre & helicopter pilots. The former a few dozens every year. The latter a handful.
To this extent:
Where was Mullah Baradar after his release, who elevated him to his position today, how did he gain prominence? > ISI
The only amnesty we provided was to a faction of JKLF (iirc), and some stray Terrorists on the behest of their parents making them surrender and then reforming. Even then, that has been misused by Hurriyat chaps which tried to infiltrate the political system, while PDP suceeded in mainstreaming extremist voices.
Again and Again:
The brute military force of Taliban is ISI controlled, Biggest and most well-funded commanders are from Haqqani Network, and the rest of the cannon fodder is derived mostly from Tribal areas and Afghan refugee camps. Afghan Taliban's political arm is completely trained and stage-managed by Pakistan's foreign office and PA. So; Nothing is consuming Pakistan, we say 96-2001, nothing happened to Pakistan. Same is the case at this point.
At this point at least for the next two years, forget Afghanistan, focus on other fish to fry.
It looks so unplanned or a bit too carefully planned but I think it’s more of a broad planning and let the things pan out spontaneously kind of event.
No one has full control of what’s happening on ground.
Pfffffft! You have taken the Chinese propaganda hook line and sinker. Always look at what people do and not what they say.
In 1963-68, Chinese "worth" was FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR less than $2000 per capita. Yet it was a nation with fastest A-Bomb to H-Bomb transition with a plane deliverable 3.3 megaton bomb ready. This ONE single act not only made China strategically secure but also brought it on strategic table which India will never be able to join. Remember, China became militarily secure first (defeating India, pushing US and Japanese militray pressure off in south China sea) and then it became more economically "worthy". EVEN since the days long gone when China was not as wealthy, NO ONE actually recognized Taiwan as a separate country. HECK Taiwan is not even in UN. China was not that rich in 50s or 60s. During its entire existance, China has been a domineering presence over Taiwan and not the other way round.. Even if China has always been per capita "less worthy". The only force keeping Taiwan in existance is US intervention, NOT its own "worth". And soon enough China will swallow Taiwan, even if Taiwan will be per capita "more worthy" than China.
Pakistan's "worth" is right now about 40% less than India per capita. Yet, tell me which nation has more successful strategically? A nation which cannot even take name of its adversory due to fear of retaliation? A nation which operates fighters from 1950s? A nation which takes 20 years to just BUY a fighter jet?