India Thermo Nuclear weapon was not a total success?

Do remember, Russia fields one and three warhead missiles like Topol-M as their primary nuclear force. Also 3 for Agni-V is a very conservative estimate, by sacrificing range (from 7000 KM to 4500 KM or so) they can accomodate even bigger number of warheads.

If I were to complain, my biggest gripe will be no test of MIRV till date. I think India has some kind of political understanding with NATO or US to limit our MIRV capability.
 
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Saaho said:
Do remember, Russia fields one and three warhead missiles like Topol-M as their primary nuclear force. Also 3 for Agni-V is a very conservative estimate, by sacrificing range (from 7000 KM to 4500 KM or so) they can accomodate even bigger number of warheads.

If I were to complain, my biggest gripe will be no test of MIRV till date. I think India has some kind of political understanding with NATO or US to limit our MIRV capability.
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India has already tested MIRV on a multiple occasions but not announced or advertised for same reasons. But one thing is sure we do have MIRV missiles right from Agni 3 itself... 😏
 
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South block said:
Naaaa! Until you test it , it's a Dud period & 3 warheads won't cut it 🙂
ABM systems have become way to sophisticated....so much so that Russians are investing heavily on Underwater delivery systems like Nuclear Torpedos. They by late 80s already knew US ABM system will be impenetrable in future so they already started looking for other options altogether.
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Disagree here. No ABM system is 100% fool-proof and impenetrable. Don't think any US BMD can intercept RS-28 or even air/ship launched Zircon. At least for now.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Disagree here. No ABM system is 100% fool-proof and impenetrable. Don't think any US BMD can intercept RS-28 or even air/ship launched Zircon. At least for now.
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No ABM system can can guarantee complete interception which is why MAD still exists. The most field tested missile defence system is Israel's Iron Dome which mostly shoots down slow moving, unsophisticated rockets. DEW is the future of ABM but is still in its nascent stage as it takes a lot of time-on-target in order to destroy the projectile. Will be interesting to see how things go from here with hypersonic weapons.
 
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Saaho said:
3 warheads of 200 KT yields are fearsome enough for me. They are quintessntial city busters. 20 such missiles mean we can send China back to 1950 at least.. Bonus if we hit Three Gorges Dam.
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Sure, but don't forget that China is moving fast to increase from nearly 300 to 1000 its nuc warheards number.
If China is putting back to 1950, you can be sure India will reach 1920 status !
 
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Bon Plan said:
Sure, but don't forget that China is moving fast to increase from nearly 300 to 1000 its nuc warheards number.
If China is putting back to 1950, you can be sure India will reach 1920 status !
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There are no winners in nuclear war. It does not matter if China has 300 or 3000 nukes. We will be dead in either scenarios.

But then China has more to lose. Because it has more. It has a future. Unlike us. We will never be a superpower unlike China which WILL be a world dominating power if it stays on track for another 20-30 years. We can... make that impossible.
 
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Bon Plan said:
It was rumored, some years ago, that India may have granted access to the french nuclear simulation tool : Megajoule.
A way to fast track differents H bomb configurations....
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I too heard some very faint rumors about that. And some data from israeli program.

Come think of it. ALCM Brahmos and a nuclear warhead will be essentially similar to french Force de Frappe (ASMP-A + nuke). I think eventually it will take form with Brahmos so-called NG.
 
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Saaho said:
There are no winners in nuclear war. It does not matter if China has 300 or 3000 nukes. We will be dead in either scenarios.

But then China has more to lose. Because it has more. It has a future. Unlike us. We will never be a superpower unlike China which WILL be a world dominating power if it stays on track for another 20-30 years. We can... make that impossible.
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I see a bright future for India thanks to natality.
China is already going older and older....
Saaho said:
I too heard some very faint rumors about that. And some data from israeli program.

Come think of it. ALCM Brahmos and a nuclear warhead will be essentially similar to french Force de Frappe (ASMP-A + nuke). I think eventually it will take form with Brahmos so-called NG.
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ASMP and ASMP-A used very compact H warheads of nearly 300kt.
Without the H technology, a Brahmos will carry a more limited warhead (but in the other hand it is bigger than an ASMP missile...)
 
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Sure, but don't forget that China is moving fast to increase from nearly 300 to 1000 its nuc warheards number.
If China is putting back to 1950, you can be sure India will reach 1920 status !
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Personally, I don't think there's much point in keeping 1000s of missiles. Imagine the amount of money required to keep them secure. Not much point even for the Americans. 200-500 nukes are more than enough to ensure deterrence against any threat.
 
D68 said:
Personally, I don't think there's much point in keeping 1000s of missiles. Imagine the amount of money required to keep them secure. Not much point even for the Americans. 200-500 nukes are more than enough to ensure deterrence against any threat.
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We lacks in one particular area,the number of tests. As of now we only proved to the world that we had fission bomb tech. The fusion device is yet not tested in such a way that we are capable of having that tech.
We need 200-300 kt & 1+ mega tonne device to test successfully first.
 
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I believe there is general agreement that computer simulation tests are as good as actual testing. Santhanam doesn't seem to have much faith in that idea.
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Computer simulation is as good as actuall test when you have enough data of actual tests. US,Russia & other three have such pile of data ,thanks to the numerous tests done by these countries. That's not the case with India.
 
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Hydra said:
Computer simulation is as good as actuall test when you have enough data of actual tests. US,Russia & other three have such pile of data ,thanks to the numerous tests done by these countries. That's not the case with India.
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What is the possibility that Russia shared their data then? We are speculating anyway so nothing is too far fetched.
 
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Personally, I don't think there's much point in keeping 1000s of missiles. Imagine the amount of money required to keep them secure. Not much point even for the Americans. 200-500 nukes are more than enough to ensure deterrence against any threat.
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During the cold war, USA had more than 25000 nuc. It was said that 100 was enough to destroy nearly all that was of some interest in russia....

You are right. 200 to 500 is more than enough for India if they are reliable, able to defeat counter measures and accurate. But in the chinese case, they have to face India, USA, even russia was not a full friend at a time. So 1000 is not idiot.
 
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South block said:
Provide source for this rumour
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Not possible.
It cames from a guy, now retired, who worked at a high level in the Megajoule developpment.
trust me or not, it's not important.
Future will say (or not), but one thing is clear : more and more tie between France and India (for exemple about SSN technology transfers) because India is a old and reliable partner, and because our PR (but not only this one) now see that it becomes more and more complicated and difficult to deal with other european country, in the USA hands. Germany first.
 
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Bon Plan said:
Not possible.
It cames from a guy, now retired, who worked at a high level in the Megajoule developpment.
trust me or not, it's not important.
Future will say (or not), but one thing is clear : more and more tie between France and India (for exemple about SSN technology transfers) because India is a old and reliable partner, and because our PR (but not only this one) now see that it becomes more and more complicated and difficult to deal with other european country, in the USA hands. Germany first.
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O! So basically a Rumour only....i guess the retired guy is non other than Picdelamirand-oil & what's technology France is offering in our SSN Project plz tell ?
 
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D68 said:
You're basically saying we need to carry out more live tests and risk the reperucussions. Only after 2030 when we are a $10 trillion economy can we do this.
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Choice is yours 1)living in a world with uncertainty of having a credible nuclear might 2) with a credible deference.

I wish ou current pm should be atleast 0.01% as daring as our late pm Atalji.
 
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