T-90 Bhishma / T-72 Ajeya of Indian Army : News and Discussions

Hard kill APS can't shoot drones yet.... They are to slow.


Latest T 90M upgrade is now 53 Tonne without Hard-Kill APS & Anti UAS System.

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Yes, we need modern APS that has both hard-kill(with projectiles or with DEW) along with a soft-kill mechanism(with jamming). Hopefully our FMBT will have it and the tech shall percolate into our current MBTs.
 
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RedEffect despite being a Russian fanboy made a good video on why Russians have lost so many Soviet tin cans & why Russia keep failing to protect their tanks.


Drones have changed the game forever & there are no easy or cheap solution to counter them.
 
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Ukraine war has been a great eye opener for all Tank operators worldwide. Rest assured that all current and future MBTs would get anti-drone APS in due course.
Western armies which had all but forgotten about mobile SPAAG systems are now scrambling to get them in numbers for countering drones and LMs. That's the best solution in the short term, at least.

The IA seems to be content upgrading age-old Tunguska and Shilkas. Repeated tenders have failed to yield a new system. No news about supposed indigenous SPAAG/M either.
 
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This was from back in 2019. It doesn't make sense to buy them anymore, of course. Now that we have indigenized the engine and substituted the gun barrel and armour panels with our own.

Hope the definitive Indian T-90 upgrade is on par/better than the T-90M Provy-3.

Not possible without a new turret. There are rumors of an upgraded autoloader though.
 
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Western armies which had all but forgotten about mobile SPAAG systems are now scrambling to get them in numbers for countering drones and LMs. That's the best solution in the short term, at least.

The IA seems to be content upgrading age-old Tunguska and Shilkas. Repeated tenders have failed to yield a new system. No news about supposed indigenous SPAAG/M either.

The Biho loss was unfortunate. Could come back in the form of Biho 2 though. DRDO's combining their VSHORADS with a 30mm gun on apparently the light tank hull. Private companies are working on it too.

Tunguska has a lot of life left, so that's not a problem.
 
DRDO's combining their VSHORADS with a 30mm gun on apparently the light tank hull. Private companies are working on it too
Rather than developing a system with a two piece search radar plus FCR arrangement typical of older-gen SPAAG like Tunguska, we should design a lightweight unmanned 30mm turret (Bushmaster gun) with 4 small AESA radar antenna panels and telescopic EO mast for tracking and fire control. The US Stryker SHORAD variant is a great example.

Ours should be designed to fit practically any APC/IFV/MBT in the inventory. Modular, easy to replace, cheap. VSHORADS can be added only to dedicated AD vehicles.
 
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Rather than developing a system with a two piece search radar plus FCR arrangement typical of older-gen SPAAG like Tunguska, we should design a lightweight unmanned 30mm turret (Bushmaster gun) with 4 small AESA radar antenna panels and telescopic EO mast for tracking and fire control. The US Stryker SHORAD variant is a great example.

Ours should be designed to fit practically any APC/IFV/MBT in the inventory. Modular, easy to replace, cheap. VSHORADS can be added only to dedicated AD vehicles.

VSHORADS is a very small missile, meant for MANPADS requirement. So it can be fitted on to a vehicle along with the 30mm gun.

An AESA radar with 2 arrays or 4 arrays is just a financial decision. It will only matter if there's an advantage, but it's difficult to operate all 4 faces at the same time due to limited power, so you will need a bigger truck. If power supply is limited, then they will just use 2 arrays.
 
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The Biho loss was unfortunate. Could come back in the form of Biho 2 though. DRDO's combining their VSHORADS with a 30mm gun on apparently the light tank hull. Private companies are working on it too.

Tunguska has a lot of life left, so that's not a problem.
We can use the Zorawar platform to create an anti-aircraft or anti-drone system similar to the K30 Biho system.

Here are some chinese hard kill system, we can use TATA Kestrel or Mahindra Whap to build similar system.
 
We can use the Zorawar platform to create an anti-aircraft or anti-drone system similar to the K30 Biho system.

Here are some chinese hard kill system, we can use TATA Kestrel or Mahindra Whap to build similar system.

That's probably the plan. We will need both wheeled and tracked versions. But if Stryker is bought, those 10 battalions could see the Stryker SHORADs inducted there instead, leaving the tracked version for tanks.
 
That's probably the plan. We will need both wheeled and tracked versions. But if Stryker is bought, those 10 battalions could see the Stryker SHORADs inducted there instead, leaving the tracked version for tanks.
We can have combination of Indigionous and Stryker systems. The pricing of Stryker seems to be an issue but Stryker can be procured in a few numbers for benchmarking and improving the indigionous system. Anyway, the engines used in indigionous systems are also Cummins USA.
 
We can have combination of Indigionous and Stryker systems. The pricing of Stryker seems to be an issue but Stryker can be procured in a few numbers for benchmarking and improving the indigionous system. Anyway, the engines used in indigionous systems are also Cummins USA.

From what I've read, Stryker is meant for standard battalions, which are currently composed of 40 BMP-2 battalions. 500+ are necessary to replace 10 battalions, so it's a pretty large number. So it's very likely we will see a joint development of a SHORADS version for these battalions. It's supposed to come with traditional weapons + DEW.


If we plan on creating dedicated Stryker brigades like the Americans, 330-360 vehicles per brigade, with indigenous designs in the future, that remains to be seen. Just 5 or 6 such brigades will require over 2000 vehicles.