Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

Can Pakistan terrorize the North and Western part of India with drone adventure for long? What do yo think.
My thinking is they will not choose this route this will kill its terror industry in PoJK and rest Pakistan . India even does not need unknown gunman. Increasingly Indian western border will be fortified with permanent DEW and softkill weapon.
 
Jaymax said:
Next time you wonder why diplomacy looked hamstrung take a look inwards.

Those cunts who printed the Shahada on sheets and put in on roads to stomp it and walk on it congrats assholes. Those photos made their way to the wider Islamic world.

The establishment’s wink and look the other way approach for these dogs has come to bite us. Iran which bombed Pak not so long ago is siding with Pak

India is reduced to giving apologies.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921237384064020482
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It's fine. Arya can say whatever he wants. He doesn't seem to know the Iranian minister came on a scheduled visit. Iran's just being sensitive.

As for the Islamic world, they want us gone. So who cares?

Any vitriol from their streets means less vocal support from our anti-national bleeding hearts within India. The govt's goal is the consolidation of Hindus. We won't get there by playing nice with others, especially when nobody else wants to play nice with us.
 
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Jaymax said:
This is just one example.

Listen to Sharif’s address. His thank you piece is 5 min long. KSA, UAE, Qatar these were countries we actively courted. Iran hates Porks.

We managed to turn them into supporters.

There is a reason diplomacy exists and a need to isolate the enemy.
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You are thinking too defensively,
World has changed much after 9/11 and mohemmdan chimpout terror attacks are taken seriously now across world and Isis caliphate of 2015s tarnished these terror groups even further. Look even pakees are renaming their terror groups from mohemmdan branding like lashkar e tayyaba to resistance front🤣 as some liberal hippe group. They can't even say what they are fighting for now.

So, diplomatically it was mostly perfect. No one condemned us for bombing pak especially from west, and everyone condemned the terror attack even mohemmdan countries.

And coming to iran, they have a neutralish relations with pak after revolution in iran, before that under shah iran and pak are bffs, with iran even allowing pak to use own land to store jets in 1971 and giving gunships to bomb balochis etc.

Khameini the azeri turk in iran generally whines about kashmir frequently but their gov mostly stays mum. khoneini does it for a reason because iran has some cultural influence in these regions. syed ali gilani as name suggests is literally from Gilan in iran but long back. There are many such cases even recent like khomeini(revolution guy) is one such irani immigrant in india from his grandfather side iirc. iranis even bombed israeli embassy sometime back using local shias probably and had to be warned to not repeat. so iran is not that innocent as you think and pak will never be without allies when situation is dire because of mohemmdan solidarity as shown after 1971 loss for pakees. We have to do it inspite of all these.

See this post for amount gibs pakees got and continue to get inform of zakat etc.

Asterion Moloc said:
No major disagreements, but don't discount the gibs pakees have got from gulf especially in difficult times like 1970s (see below )when India was under immense stress because of their oil embargo. They even get immense zakat gibs from gulf for medrassahs which in a way alleviate pressure on Pak govt budgets for education and social security, so they can spend more on defence.





And I think Pak is more long term threat to India than China can ever be, just the geography and population spread of China and Pak are very different. Pak is just across plains of Punjab while china is across highest mountain range with their population concentrated on eastern seaboard. Similarly, Pak pop is exploding, their TFR is more than 3 while India's already below replacement and China's is hovering around 1. So, by 2050 you have ~400 mil pakees in extreme arid region and water stressed, they will swarm India along with Bangladeshis (which are already in India)
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randomradio said:
It's fine. Arya can say whatever he wants. He doesn't seem to know the Iranian minister came on a scheduled visit. Iran's just being sensitive.

As for the Islamic world, they want us gone. So who cares?

Any vitriol from their streets means less vocal support from our anti-national bleeding hearts within India. The govt's goal is the consolidation of Hindus. We won't get there by playing nice with others, especially when nobody else wants to play nice with us.
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He thinks gulf is on our side when saudis literally funded vt4 and even did down payment for j-10cs while qatar is giving rafales to paf for training🤣

They want for us money, we want them for energy needs that is it
 
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zinswinsin said:
I would say have to agree with this article's conclusion.

www.19fortyfive.com

The Real Reason India's Dassault Rafale Jets Lost to Pakistan’s Air Force

Despite employing cutting-edge Dassault Rafale fighters and advanced missiles, photographic evidence indicates Pakistan's Air Force downed multiple Indian jets—including at least one Rafale—without confirmed losses.
www.19fortyfive.com www.19fortyfive.com



Limited war, airplane losses are so gigantic and media attention hoggers.



Pakistan also had enough AWACS to make a huge difference.
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Very stupidly written article. Political impact of Indian attack was so immense that Pakistan had to move its nukes to signal its incapability to defend itself.
 
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Hydra said:
Give me the kill count of mki
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1921565327206367546

We have got the best heavy-weight and medium-weight 4.5 gen jets in MKI & Rafale. Soon with LCA MK2 we'll have the best light-medium 4.5 gen jet with us.

Only fly in the ointment is our lack of 5th gen. Acquiring Su-57 with Indian avioinics will be by far the best and sane(st) decision until AMCA is fully combat ready around the mid 2030s.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Bro, there is pattern about western world. Especially USA. They will not let Pakistan die. I have my reasons for it as enumerated below,
I sailed in Op Brasstacks in Feb 1987 and my ship was outside Karachi. We were supposed to start the war. Gen Sundram had lined up strike corps to slice thru Pakistan. USA intervened and told Rajiv Gandhi that Pakistan has nukes. RAW told him that Pakistan does not have nukes. He believed USA and stopped the Op Brasstacks.
In 1981 they compromised our RAW chief in SriLanka theu a Panam air hostess and they used him in 1987 during IPKF operations to help LTTE when he was posted in Chennai and was coordinating ops against LTTE.
In 1990, I was doing my watchkeeping Ticket on INS Gomati. We sailed out again in June 1990 and once again we were told that a war with Pakistan is imminent. Once again USA prevailed on VP Singh about Pak having Nukes and stopped the war.
Pakistan acquired the nukes only in 1993 and they could only be air dropped. They did not have missiles capable of launching those heavy nukes.
In 1999, Kargil war, once again USA raised the bogie of Pak nukes and asked Bajpai to stop but he said if they use it, Pak will not see the next morning's Sunrise.
Now once again, USA has used this Nuke angle to prevent India from going for an all out war. It is the USA who is behind all the terror coming from Pakistan and keeping Pakistan alive as a detterent against rising India.
Another interesting fact about Donald Trump is that Uri, Pulwama and Now Pahalgam has happened when he is the president of America.
In 1965 and 1971, they were openly against us but now they are back stabbing us by pretending to be our friend. We need to call it off.
Every such misadventure by Pakistan was rewarded by IMF thru loans. This cant be a coincidence? It has a pattern to it.
Nithing has changed. All the muslim countries who pretend to be our friends like Turkiye and Eqypt are openly giving arms to Pakistan against us. So we have nearly 13-14 muslim countries aligned against us in support of Pakistan with China helping them to protect Pakistan.
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Yes. In 1962 as well, the US stopped us from using our air force.

And our Nehru-Gandhi leadership was also compromised, sold out to the British. Indira Gandhi was the only one with balls in the family, and after her death, it took Narasimha Rao to conspire with BJP and give India a fighting chance. Had Rao been the PM instead of Rajiv, I think we would have solved the Pakistan problem back in the 80s with Soviet backing.
 
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randomradio said:
Let's see what happens when we get our anti-nuke defenses in place. If that reduces risk from 80-90% destruction today to below 30%, then we could see the govt making better decisions.
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Tbh we were not mentally prepared to take over PoK or Pakistan. We were way too successful. What we need is make a proper plan of conquering Pakistan and create more strike corps and Rapids. We will have to heavily invest in mobile AD like qrsam and vshorad and CUAS. Something in the class of tor, buk and tungushka.
vstol Jockey said:
Some astrological insights.

India is undergoing the mahadasha of Chandrma with antardasa of Mangal. This is a deadly combination in Vishmottary dasha chakra. It makes a person Shatruhanta and makes him capable of performing Ashwamegh Yagya to make him a Chakarvarti Raja.. Modi is born in Vrishchak Lagna and Vrischak Rashi having one the most powerful panch Mahapurush yogas as per Sanatan astrology called Ruchak Yoga. Such people become Chakarvarthi kings and outstanding Rishis in their Sanyas Ashram.
Modi is in Mangal Mahadasha at this time. This aligns with Bharat ki mahadasha. Kal Poornmasi hai. Expect anything and most devastating to start before 14th as on 14th Jupiter becomes Atichari and moves to 2nd house of India which is house of Gains. We will get some territory addition and maybe more. Do you knw why this presser was done today, it was to incite Pakistan armed forces. As this will now be seen all across the world. Humne unko duniya ke saamne nanga kar diya hai. This Modi's way of working, ungli karo aur phir maaro. I will be least surprised if Pkaistan start off by tommorow morning itself.
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Funny thing is Modi's zodiac matches India's zodiac. Also he is similar to Stalin.
 
vstol Jockey said:
You may recollect my posts when the rafale deal was about to be signed. I had told that SU-30MKI is superior to rafale in very department and we must upgrade it asap.
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I think there's still a tremendous gap.

Rafale could fly over Pak air bases even before day 1, but the MKI flew over Pak after 2 days of SEAD/DEAD.
 
randomradio said:
Wartime means it's likely to be the latter.

The MKI was likely used for forward sweep, that's with AAMs, hence the ability to fly over an air base unchallenged. With SAP-518, it cannot do that due to the performance penalty. The Russians screwed up there, or they probably designed it for A2G missions specifically.
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Regardless of the mission profile and loadout, I imagine the ac would be fully kitted out in terms of EW/SP. They could flown with the Elta EL8222/SP too.
 
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zinswinsin said:
Some people think the US is declining, then in the next sentence will accuse America of strong arming everyone. I don't think it's as nefarious as ya'll make it seem. Did we apply pressure? Probably? But if you really wanted to go through, pressure is nothing.

Modi weighed his options and wanted this ceasefire, same with Pakistan. That's the only way two parties agree to a ceasefire.

Otherwise you get endless war like Ukraine/Russia. How effective has US pressure been on that kind of ceasefire?
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The US is not in decline, but other powers are catching up.

The US does strongarm their way into the matters of other countries. It's the only sovereign country in the world, Russia being a distant second. Look at how all countries are acting due to the trade war.

Yes, it's a ceasefire that we decided to go in for when Pak offered. But we need to see if it sticks.

Any Indo-Pak war won't last long like Ukraine. The Russians screwed up, we didn't.
 
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I think there's still a tremendous gap.

Rafale could fly over Pak air bases even before day 1, but the MKI flew over Pak after 2 days of SEAD/DEAD.
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When will you agree that Su-30MKI is superior. We have had this discussion between us from 2015 onwards and I told you that we need more MKIs and not rafale. Just wait what happens after this war. We may even cancel the order for Rafale-M. mark my post. Everything same, and Su-30MKI outperforms Rafale. TBT, Su-30MKIs had to support Rafale on 7th Morning. It was the largest airwar ever after WW2. Over 230 ac from IAF involved as strike element and defenders for returning strikes and over 100 ac from PAF trying to stop IAF strike. Tell me one air battle ever which involved so many aircraft. This figure is not about fighters only, It includes support elemenst as well. Rafale has a big problem with Hammer. They need to increase its range. As for its active stealth capability, it is third rate. Kissi din aaram se btaunga ki kya hua tha. Rafale was taken out of active actions. I knw you will not believe it. Su-30MKI did the job.
Rafale was reduced to the job of just Air defence and LCA can do it better than Rafale. Proven useless in strike role.
 
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randomradio said:
I think there's still a tremendous gap.

Rafale could fly over Pak air bases even before day 1, but the MKI flew over Pak after 2 days of SEAD/DEAD.
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Different design philosophy. One being a Swiss knife while other being the Hammer. Lol.

PS: In air-to-air combat, I would still rate MKI highly over Rafale while in penetration mission involving terrain-hugging I would rate Rafale higher. In the end, it's not about MKI vs Rafale but MKI + Rafale as they both complement each other wonderfully as we saw in the latest OP.
 
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Asterion Moloc said:
You are thinking too defensively,
World has changed much after 9/11 and mohemmdan chimpout terror attacks are taken seriously now across world and Isis caliphate of 2015s tarnished these terror groups even further. Look even pakees are renaming their terror groups from mohemmdan branding like lashkar e tayyaba to resistance front🤣 as some liberal hippe group. They can't even say what they are fighting for now.

So, diplomatically it was mostly perfect. No one condemned us for bombing pak especially from west, and everyone condemned the terror attack even mohemmdan countries.

And coming to iran, they have a neutralish relations with pak after revolution in iran, before that under shah iran and pak are bffs, with iran even allowing pak to use own land to store jets in 1971 and giving gunships to bomb balochis etc.

Khameini the azeri turk in iran generally whines about kashmir frequently but their gov mostly stays mum. khoneini does it for a reason because iran has some cultural influence in these regions. syed ali gilani as name suggests is literally from Gilan in iran but long back. There are many such cases even recent like khomeini(revolution guy) is one such irani immigrant in india from his grandfather side iirc. iranis even bombed israeli embassy sometime back using local shias probably and had to be warned to not repeat. so iran is not that innocent as you think and pak will never be without allies when situation is dire because of mohemmdan solidarity as shown after 1971 loss for pakees. We have to do it inspite of all these.

See this post for amount gibs pakees got and continue to get inform of zakat etc.




He thinks gulf is on our side when saudis literally funded vt4 and even did down payment for j-10cs while qatar is giving rafales to paf for training🤣

They want for us money, we want them for energy needs that is it
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Yep. Energy and access to Europe. Quid pro quo. And they have their own calculations concerning Iran.

I hope the Trump solves the Iran problem.
 
RASALGHUL said:
Yeah ! General population want us gone . I have also come to this conclusion .......slowly.
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There's no changing their minds either.

RASALGHUL said:
Shouldn't We?
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We're on our way to join the big boys club. They need to be more concerned about what we think about them. Our main threats are our 2 special needs neighbors, and they hate us already.

Anyway, in most Islamic countries, you only need to control a few influential people, the majority don't really matter.
 
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